ahhh.... thanks... now its beginning to make sense :) ahhhh.... right :)... images, cool :) actually im used to doing sliders that way in Flash - i've done a bit of Flash coding as you've probably seen by the mini-mixer thing in my incomplete website interface! ;-)... theres no sound as yet on that page, the idea was that you could load sounds and the mixer would function, but i never got quite that far.... still to do! if i keep things in layers, i'd be able to draw up a slider and then slice it up into the sections you need.... hey, they dont look at all bad though! i've grabbed a copy of your code for swh (only just reinstalling mandrake on my laptop so i've gotta recompile everything!) i'll have a look at them and have a go... the principle from what i see is pretty straightforward - and i like your approach with the pixmaps too, the metal-look background seems to be an essential thesedays! i'll have a go maybe doing some pixmaps and post them up :)... i'll need a little time tho, i've not been well and book deadlines are looming in front of me :-/.... maybe i can come up with something on the weekend :) bw m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? info(a)copyleftmedia.org.uk www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \ cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense ***