26 Dec
2016
26 Dec
'16
12:07 p.m.
Hello,
i am considering to buy a Ice-16, maybe an Ice-16D. The reason i want
this is that you can use it as multi track recorder or as soundcard. But
i can only use it as soundcard if its working with linux, but i cannot
find anything with google.
So the question: Has anyone ever tried to use the ice-16 with linux? did
it worked? or is there no way?
TIA, Georg
26 Dec
26 Dec
1:48 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Georg Krause <mail(a)georg-krause.net>
wrote:
Hello,
Hey,
i am considering to buy a Ice-16, maybe an Ice-16D.
The reason i want
this is that you can use it as multi track recorder or as soundcard. But
i can only use it as soundcard if its working with linux, but i cannot
find anything with google.
Looks like a nice device - I don't think its class compliant USB 2.0 audio
interface though,
given that they have a "Software->Drivers" page:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16/
Unless somebody reverse engineered it, or they made the spec available to
ALSA/Linux devs, I doubt this interface is going to work on Linux.
So the question: Has anyone ever tried to use the
ice-16 with linux? did
it worked? or is there no way?
Haven't tried it - so I hope to be proved wrong :)
If all else fails, find it in a shop somewhere and ask to try it out.
HTH, -Harry
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1:59 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:48:30 +0000, Harry van Haaren wrote:
I don't think its class compliant USB 2.0 audio
interface though,
given that they have a "Software->Drivers" page:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16/
An excerpt from the above link: "USB2.0 class compliance ensure full
compatibility with most DAWs"
2:28 p.m.
Well, i red this but it doesn't really make sure its linux compatible, does it?
If nobody got it working i will simply order one and try on my own and tell you then ;)
Am Mo. Dez. 26 14:59:45 2016 GMT+0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:48:30 +0000, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> >I don't think its class compliant USB 2.0 audio interface though,
> >given that they have a "Software->Drivers" page:
> >http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16/
>
> An excerpt from the above link: "USB2.0 class compliance ensure full
> compatibility with most DAWs"
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2:46 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, Harry van Haaren wrote:
Looks like a nice device - I don't think its class
compliant USB 2.0 audio
interface though,
given that they have a "Software->Drivers" page:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16/
The drivers are for windows. Class compliant generally means needs drivers
for windows but not for OSx/macos.
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Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
2:52 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, Georg Krause wrote:
i am considering to buy a Ice-16, maybe an Ice-16D.
The reason i want
this is that you can use it as multi track recorder or as soundcard. But
i can only use it as soundcard if its working with linux, but i cannot
find anything with google.
I have not seen that product before. It may be newer than when I was
looking (though with firewire...).
So the question: Has anyone ever tried to use the
ice-16 with linux? did
it worked? or is there no way?
I can't say for sure with this unit itself, but I do know the Qu16/24/32
series products do work with linux. Not personal experience, but I have
read of people using them with Linux. They need no drivers to work with
OSx which is always a good sign (from
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16d/#tab5) "ICE-16D is Core
Audio compliant so there are no drivers required for Mac computers."
One should consider windows a non-compliant OS I guess...
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Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
3:19 p.m.
i am
considering to buy a Ice-16, maybe an Ice-16D. The reason i want
this is that you can use it as multi track recorder or as soundcard. But
i can only use it as soundcard if its working with linux, but i cannot
find anything with google.
I have not seen that product before. It may be newer than when I was
looking (though with firewire...). So the
question: Has anyone ever tried to use the ice-16 with linux? did
it worked? or is there no way?
I can't say for sure with this unit itself, but I do know the Qu16/24/32
series products do work with linux. Not personal experience, but I have
read of people using them with Linux. They need no drivers to work with
OSx which is always a good sign (from
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/ice-16d/#tab5) "ICE-16D is Core
Audio compliant so there are no drivers required for Mac computers."
One should consider windows a non-compliant OS I guess...
3:19 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, Georg Krause wrote:
i am considering to buy a Ice-16, maybe an Ice-16D.
The reason i want
this is that you can use it as multi track recorder or as soundcard. But
i can only use it as soundcard if its working with linux, but i cannot
find anything with google.
The sync connector is a mini 8 pin din? (as used in DJ equipment) It syncs
not only audio clock but also transport control. The manual refers to the
DJ syncing equipment as a source for cables, but does not say if it uses
the same standard, nor any pinout info. They do not seem to expect anyone
to use more than two synced together. I do not know if this is a hard
limit (adding a third unit just won't work) or daisy chaining to more than
two just doesn't give good syncing. I suspect that the sync out comes from
internal clock and is not clock through. So at best it is sync in -> local
clock ppl -> clock out. The manual does not say if the transport can be
controlled buy the connected computer, but does say that streaming to USB
stick turns off the stream to USB connected computer.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
27 Dec
27 Dec
11:24 a.m.
The sync connector is a mini 8 pin din? (as used in DJ
equipment) It
syncs not only audio clock but also transport control. The manual refers
to the DJ syncing equipment as a source for cables, but does not say if
it uses the same standard, nor any pinout info. They do not seem to
expect anyone to use more than two synced together. I do not know if
this is a hard limit (adding a third unit just won't work) or daisy
chaining to more than two just doesn't give good syncing. I suspect that
the sync out comes from internal clock and is not clock through. So at
best it is sync in -> local clock ppl -> clock out. The manual does not
say if the transport can be controlled buy the connected computer, but
does say that streaming to USB stick turns off the stream to USB
connected computer.
Well, the hole syncronisation is a topic i dont really care about, but
FYI an quote from the maual:
"Expand: You can link ICE-16D units together in different ways. You can
daisy chain two units together using the FireWire ports in order to
expand the number of channels connected to a computer. Or you can link
two or more units together using the Sync ports in order to synchronise
more than one ICE-16D when recording multiple channels"
Page 31 and following gives you more information if you are interested in.
noon
One more information on synchronisation: As a soundcard using firewire
its only possible to use two synced devices, with usb only one is
possible. so daisy chaining more than two units for using as a soundcard
wouldn't work.
Am 27.12.2016 um 12:24 schrieb Georg Krause:
The sync
connector is a mini 8 pin din? (as used in DJ equipment) It
syncs not only audio clock but also transport control. The manual refers
to the DJ syncing equipment as a source for cables, but does not say if
it uses the same standard, nor any pinout info. They do not seem to
expect anyone to use more than two synced together. I do not know if
this is a hard limit (adding a third unit just won't work) or daisy
chaining to more than two just doesn't give good syncing. I suspect that
the sync out comes from internal clock and is not clock through. So at
best it is sync in -> local clock ppl -> clock out. The manual does not
say if the transport can be controlled buy the connected computer, but
does say that streaming to USB stick turns off the stream to USB
connected computer.
Well, the hole syncronisation is a topic i dont really care about, but
FYI an quote from the maual:
"Expand: You can link ICE-16D units together in different ways. You can
daisy chain two units together using the FireWire ports in order to
expand the number of channels connected to a computer. Or you can link
two or more units together using the Sync ports in order to synchronise
more than one ICE-16D when recording multiple channels"
Page 31 and following gives you more information if you are interested in.
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3:28 p.m.
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016, Georg Krause wrote:
I saw the two units for firewire and thought it applied to USB as well,
but it does say "or more".
The sync
connector is a mini 8 pin din? (as used in DJ equipment) It
syncs not only audio clock but also transport control. The manual refers
to the DJ syncing equipment as a source for cables, but does not say if
it uses the same standard, nor any pinout info. They do not seem to
expect anyone to use more than two synced together. I do not know if
this is a hard limit (adding a third unit just won't work) or daisy
chaining to more than two just doesn't give good syncing. I suspect that
the sync out comes from internal clock and is not clock through. So at
best it is sync in -> local clock ppl -> clock out. The manual does not
say if the transport can be controlled buy the connected computer, but
does say that streaming to USB stick turns off the stream to USB
connected computer.
Well, the hole syncronisation is a topic i dont really care about, but
FYI an quote from the maual:
"Expand: You can link ICE-16D units together in different ways. You can
daisy chain two units together using the FireWire ports in order to
expand the number of channels connected to a computer. Or you can link
two or more units together using the Sync ports in order to synchronise
more than one ICE-16D when recording multiple channels" Page 31 and following gives you more information if
you are interested in.
Ya, I had read that. It actually says very little. I feel cheated when the
manual does not at least have a URL to the standard used... Maybe I ask
too much :)
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
28 Dec
28 Dec
4:22 p.m.
Am 27.12.2016 um 16:28 schrieb Len Ovens:
Ya, I had read that. It actually says very little. I feel cheated when
the manual does not at least have a URL to the standard used... Maybe I
ask too much :)
No you dont ask too much, i see it the same way and i think most manuals
hide pretty important information. After reading the hole manual where a
lot of obious things about windows drivers are discribed i also felt a
little bit disappointed. Maybe someone should ask the support about.
They only write down what they think the users need, asking something
which isnt written anywhere may influence the future manuals? I dont know ;)
6:11 p.m.
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016, Georg Krause wrote:
Am 27.12.2016 um 16:28 schrieb Len Ovens:
The first question they would ask is for my registration no. I don't have
one as I don't have the box. What manufactures don't seem to get is that I
read through the manual in deciding _if_ I would buy their box. If the
information I get from them before purchasing doesn't tell me what I need,
I don't buy. This box does look like an interesting solution for one of my
uses (live recording) but the use of non-standard/undocumented sync
options would limit it's usablility to one use only, making it over priced
for me. If it had wordclock or even aes3/spdif in, it would be much more
interesting. If this is the same standard used in DJ equipment (I also
can't find info for that) it may use one of those things inside the cable
which means I would be able to hand make a usable cable (maybe). That
would allow it to be used for studio recording as well. Anyway, I don't
think I will buy one.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
Ya, I had read that. It actually says very little. I feel cheated when
the manual does not at least have a URL to the standard used... Maybe I
ask too much :)
No you dont ask too much, i see it the same way and i think most manuals
hide pretty important information. After reading the hole manual where a
lot of obious things about windows drivers are discribed i also felt a
little bit disappointed. Maybe someone should ask the support about.
They only write down what they think the users need, asking something
which isnt written anywhere may influence the future manuals? I dont know ;)
29 Dec
29 Dec
1:45 p.m.
The first question they would ask is for my
registration no. I don't
have one as I don't have the box. What manufactures don't seem to get is
that I read through the manual in deciding _if_ I would buy their box.
Yes, many information are hidden, thats why we need opensource hardware.
This is another topic but i would really like to have an device like the
Ice-16 in opensource. Maybe even less features. It should be an simple
device, not much functions but high quality. Back to topic ;) I ordered
one to test the linux compatibility, so i should get an registration
number and i can ask for the sync option.
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