On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:06:29 +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: Sure, I orginaly created that directory because a few people were workign on graphics, but only Emilio got that far :)

Emillo, since you where working with blender; would you mind putting up the original, blender file with similar license? Could perhaps serve as a basis for others wishing to create graphics.

/Robert

Sure blender is ugly, but beauty is only skin deep (tm) ;)

People have made some terrific things with it.

Great /Robert

giovedì, 04 settembre 2003 alle 17:27:30, Robert Jonsson ha scritto: Ehm.. I mean that *my one and only project* it's ugly!!! Sorry but my english is not so good and so sometimes I misunderstand or abuse some terms, or I don't get at all the real sense of common phrases like "beauty is only skin deep"[1].

I think blender is one of the shiniest examples of a very good interface, and of the power of the community behind it: a real "symbol" of open source software (with the literal "liberation" to GPL!!!)

Cheers PS: my english is self teached, and most of it came from lurking this ml.

I'm a new convert to linux audio having used Logic, CoolEdit, rebirth and Acid - but there is one thing that really puzzles me ... When I use one of the above windows apps there is always a loop facility where a section/region/chunk of the track can be easily looped just by selecting it with the mouse and pressing play ... I've downloaded ardour, rosegarden, gnusound, audacity, and others and none of them have this instant loop facility (er, except sweep, which is fine, but I need a loop mixer/editor like logic or acid to put my samples together). Am I the only one to work in this way?

The other thing with ardour (fantastic looking) is that I can't get samples to sit next to each other (snap) unless I'm really careful with the mouse - any ideas?

You can't loop a segment just by selecting it though, no. Wouldn't that interfere with editing during playback? Or do you mean only if you select something before hitting Play?

On Friday 05 September 2003 04:17 pm, Andy Cragg wrote: In Audacity 1.2 press shift and play. Eventually this may be a menu toggle that defaults to 'on'.

Rick Taylor wrote And sweep too. And even Snd, I guess :-)

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:27:04 +0100 Andy Cragg <caesura(a)freenetname.co.uk> wrote: Why not use loops in Ardour?

Why is this difficult? Are you looking for something like fruity loops that makes it easy to assemble the loops themselves? What sort of functionality are you wanting?

Still not quite what I meant. Maybe there's a different term than "loop". How do you audition a guitar solo, for instance? You'd want to listen to it a few times without having to press stop/rewind/play every time? Cheers, Andy

I will do my best to make this a much more streamlined process in future versions of ardour.

steps needed Location from selection" made bar the loop area have to reselect delete a location won't delete it streamlined process Jesse, That's come along quite a bit. I'm not sure from your description above whether Ardour does this, but there is one thing you might want to look at for loop recording more human friendly. It's really nice if the loop selection and the recording selection can be made to be different lengths. The issue is that the musician needs to hear a lead in to the point where they start to do their work, and to make it human friendly the whole process needs to stay in the groove or it's hard to be musical. Consider this situation: 1) I'm doing a song with a guitar part that I'm going to record in two pieces. The first piece goes up to the end of measure 50, and the second starts at measure 51 and goes to the end of measure 59. 2) I've recorded something good for the first part and now I want to loop record the second part. 3) To get the groove right, I need the loop point to jump back to the beginning of measure 49 so I hear 49 and 50, and then as the play head crosses into 51 the recording starts and I record the second parts. 4) Fairly important is that I need to hear the first guitar part AND my live guitar through 49 & 50, but nothing I play in 49 & 50 is recorded. 5) Mucho important - Nothing about recording the second guitar part should be in any way destructive to the first guitar part that is already recorded. After all this gets done, then you end up doing fades between the audio segments, etc., to put it all together. Don't know how much of that you've already got. Quite a bit I expect. Cheers, Mark

Currently, this *can* be done in ardour, but the steps needed are less than intuitive. 1. make a range selection 2. right-click to popup menu, choose "Select->New Location from selection" (note, *not* Selection->LoopSelection !!) 3. open the Locations window from the Windows menu 4. check the Loop column for the location you just made 5. Select the loop button (icon) in the transport bar 6. Position the playhead somewhere in or before the loop area and press play. When you change the checked loop location you may have to reselect the loop transport button (bug). Also, when you delete a location (by shift-right-clicking on the marker bar), it won't delete it from the location window (bug). I will do my best to make this a much more streamlined process in future versions of ardour. jlc

Ah - maybe I should be more precise in my postings :) Sorry for the confusion. BTW what aaplication do you use for the above loop recording (punch in/out?) - it sounds ideal to me ... Cheers, Andy

Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)comcast.net> wrote: It surprises me that they've not ported to linux yet.

You can't really run their software without their hardware, they have something of a UNIX heritage, if they were to open source the software it would do them wonders as pr/advertisement, it would give them the benefits of linux developers and get them as firmly entrenched in the linux world as they are everywhere else.

{Same for Creamware.}

{{Linux strikes me as being vastly more suited to industrial scale applications than anything else. Lower latency, more stability, it's open source and it's free.}} Seeing as movie folk and major 3d apps are already running on linux it really seems that there's a need there.

{Not to dis linux developers but you do need compatibility, standards and apps that folk know how to work.}

Linux, as a business architecture, is so totally screwed up that I don't understand how it's supposed to work anymore. When you make hardware you have to compile drivers. In the Linux world (today anyway) this means releasing source. DigiDesign doesn't release source, so there's no real way to support all the different distributions and hardware configurations that exist. There's probably also a risk that if they were able to release only a small part that would be compiled on a target system that someone would hijack it and figure out how to make Pro Tools work with other hardware, thus undercutting DigiDesign's real business model which is selling hardware with software to support it.

Oh, I agree. Pro Tools on Linux would be a great app on a great platform. DigiDesign would benefit greatly, if they could manage the security of their source, and if their plug-in manufacturer's would play ball. Unfortunately, the 001/002/RTAS plugin support has been bad, except for Waves. The advantage for Pro Tools in Linux would come if they would embrace LADSPA.

On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 12:25, Steve Harris wrote: Yes, this was the sort of strategy I was thinking of. However, now we have to figure out why DigiDesign would go to the trouble. Obviously every machine needs a graphics adapter, so NVidea isn't going to give away the whole Linux market to ATI. Obviously (I guess) they think they have somethign to protect from ATI since ATI does (I think) release source, correct?

In the case of Pro Tools, the question is 'How many customers does DigiDesign lose to someone else because they don't have a Linux solution'? I think today that the numbers are very small, but arguably growing. When will it make a financial difference to DigiDesign's financial bottom line to support us?

On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 04:43, Andy Cragg wrote: Pro Tools (sorry it was a non-Linux answer!)

>>Rick Taylor wrote: >>>Andy Cragg <caesura(a)freenetname.co.uk> wrote:

>>>Why not use loops in Ardour?

>>Go on then, how do you do that? :)

> like you would in anything else... line them up, put fades and effects on them, > toss other stuff into the mix.

> Why is this difficult? Are you looking for something like fruity loops that > makes it easy to assemble the loops themselves? What sort of functionality > are you wanting?

I can load sample files into Ardour (but can't line them up without pixel-precision accuracy with the mouse ...) apply fx etc but I'd like to select a section of a track and listen to it over and over (applying fx, listen for mistakes etc) - Ardour does not have this facilty. I'd like : select a section, play, tweeek just that section without having to press play over and over again.

All windows audio apps have this facillty :)

How do people here edit your tracks - do you place the start point somewhere, press play, listen, press stop, put the start point back, press play, listen ... seems odd to me. Even my old Yamaha QY-10 had a loop facility, and my cassette tape portastudio had one!