22 Apr
2003
22 Apr
'03
9:47 p.m.
Hello,
This worked before, maybe it will work again!
Does anyone have a copy of these programs they might like to swing my
way? I was very anxious to try them but unfortunately the web site seems
to be gone and there the software is no longer available. I used to own
several Juno's (and wish I hadn't sold them for crack money) and I
really missed my Juno-6 and 106 still. I had many hours of fun with
those synths.
Did it close because of copyright reasons or was it closed for some
other reason?
23 Apr
23 Apr
6:37 a.m.
Does anyone have a copy of these programs they might
like to swing my
way?
I have binaries of Juno 1.0.1 and RS101 2.0-1.7 if you want them - just let me
know your preferred method of delivery. Unless anyone knows of licence
restrictions on redistribution of this software - if so, please let me know.
I was very anxious to try them but unfortunately the
web site seems
to be gone and there the software is no longer available.
Ultramaster programs weren't all source-available, unfortunately.
Did it close because of copyright reasons or was it
closed for some
other reason?
I don't know, but I suspect Ultramaster was just too far ahead of its time in
trying to build a business model around proprietary music software for Linux.
They were good programs, and I imagine they would have fitted in well with a
distribution like Lindows which isn't adverse to closed source.
It's not too late for the source code to be relicensed by its authors though,
if the proprietary product is defunct.
Cheers
Daniel
8:42 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:26:44 +0100
Daniel James <daniel(a)mondodesigno.com> wrote:
Daniel, I think many people are interested in getting Juno binaries,
if they are free to use/redistribute/copy.
--
Alexandre Prokoudine
ALT Linux Documentation Team
JID: avp(a)altlinux.org
Does anyone
have a copy of these programs they might like to
swing my way?
I have binaries of Juno 1.0.1 and RS101 2.0-1.7 if you want them -
just let me know your preferred method of delivery. Unless anyone
knows of licence restrictions on redistribution of this software -
if so, please let me know.
2:25 p.m.
I think many people are interested in getting Juno
binaries,
if they are free to use/redistribute/copy.
I've checked the Juno licence, and unfortunately the binary is prohibited from
redistribution. RS101 needs a licence key, as we know. So it's up to the
Ultramaster developers to either:
a) leave their programs in limbo, awaiting a time when they become viable as
proprietary applications
b) release the sources, possibly under a dual licence? That method is making
money for Trolltech and mySQL.
Cheers
Daniel
11:40 a.m.
Daniel James wrote:
It's not too late for the source code to be
relicensed by its authors though,
if the proprietary product is defunct.
I've spoken with one of the authors via telephone. It is/was their
intent to release the sources, probably under the GPL, but no definite
time was planned. I'll write again to them and ask about the status of
that plan.
A jackified RS101 would be something to see...
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org
1:09 p.m.
Ultramaster is defunct? That's too bad -- I am a registered user of RS101,
which is a pretty rad program.
wb
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:40:38AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Daniel James wrote:
--
Will Benton
willb(a)acm.org
It's not too late for the source code to be
relicensed by its authors though,
if the proprietary product is defunct.
I've spoken with one of the authors via telephone. It is/was their
intent to release the sources, probably under the GPL, but no definite
time was planned. I'll write again to them and ask about the status of
that plan.
A jackified RS101 would be something to see...
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org
1:19 p.m.
Of course, everything is "still available":
wget
http://web.archive.org/web/20020207061553/http://ultramaster.com/rs101/dist…
wb
--
Will Benton
willb(a)acm.org
1:43 p.m.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:09:43 -0500
Will Benton <willb(a)cs.wisc.edu> wrote / a écrit:
Of course, everything is "still available":
wget
http://web.archive.org/web/20020207061553/http://ultramaster.com/rs101/dist…
errr... not really. You must have a license, which is provided by
http://www.ultramaster.com/rs101 which is now defunct... Unless you are a registrered
user, you won't be able to launch the prog.
Now I have a rpm not so useful...
Guy CLO~
#219055 http://counter.li.org
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1:51 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:28:43PM +0400, Guy Daniel CLOTILDE wrote:
errr... not really. You must have a license, which is
provided by http://www.ultramaster.com/rs101 which is now defunct... Unless you are a
registrered user, you won't be able to launch the prog.
Now I have a rpm not so useful...
It doesn't work in demo mode?
wb
--
Will Benton
willb(a)acm.org
3:22 p.m.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:41:27 -0500, Will Benton wrote / a écrit:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:28:43PM +0400, Guy Daniel
CLOTILDE wrote:
It doesn't work in demo mode, unless you have the demo license that was provided by
the site. With this demo license, playing with the prog is allowed (loading and saving
files are disabled with the demo license).
cheers.
Guy CLO~
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errr... not really. You must have a license,
which is provided by http://www.ultramaster.com/rs101 which is now defunct... Unless you
are a registrered user, you won't be able to launch the prog.
Now I have a rpm not so useful...
It doesn't work in demo mode?
1:35 p.m.
Ultramaster is defunct?
ultramaster.com appears to have gone. The domain name is still registered to
Karl LaRocca, until 14th May at least.
I am a registered user of RS101,
which is a pretty rad program.
I enjoyed the demo - I was planning to buy it, but then I moved away from
sequenced music generally towards live playing. In short, I met a real
drummer!
Cheers
Daniel
25 Apr
25 Apr
2:46 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dave Phillips wrote:
It is/was their intent to release the sources,
probably under the GPL,
but no definite time was planned.
I did get sources for Juno-1.0.1, back in February of last year
(2002/02/10, to be exact!), and I even had it mostly working with OSS
(had to patch the code to bypass the HPF, and I couldn't use any MIDI,
but other than that it was basically working). I had a few brief
communications with one of the authors and intended to continue getting
that package to work, but I unfortunately got side-tracked with other
things.
I haven't tried it at all since switching to an ALSA based system (and
my music workstation is currently busy with a Knoppix demo, or I'd try
it right now), but I do intend to get it compiled again, and this time I
might even be able to use a MIDI controller! :-)
In the meantime, interested readers might want to check out Bristol,
(http://www.slabexchange.org/index.cgi?DOWNLOAD), mentioned in Dave
Phillips' "Softsynth Roundup" article (Thanks for that article, by the
way!). It has a Juno mode which seems to work quite well, at least as
far as I can tell. That package's primary benefit is that is has
numerous modes of operation (Juno, MiniMoog, Exporer, Prophet-5,
Prophet-10, B3, DX7, Vox Continental, and Rhodes; am I missing any?)
The drawback is that it's binary-only, but otherwise apparently free
to use.
--
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Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)alcor.concordia.ca
Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University
Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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11:59 a.m.
On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:34:36 -0400 (EDT)
Sylvain Robitaille <lau(a)therockgarden.ca> wrote:
So was it published under terms of GPL?
--
Alexandre Prokoudine
ALT Linux Documentation Team
JID: avp(a)altlinux.org
It is/was
their intent to release the sources, probably under
the GPL, but no definite time was planned.
I did get sources for Juno-1.0.1, back in February of last year
(2002/02/10, to be exact!), and I even had it mostly working with
OSS(had to patch the code to bypass the HPF, and I couldn't use
any MIDI, but other than that it was basically working). I had a
few brief communications with one of the authors and intended to
continue getting that package to work, but I unfortunately got
side-tracked with other things.
12:37 p.m.
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
So was it published under terms of GPL?
Definitely not:
Copyright(c) 2000 UltraMaster Group
License to use UltraMaster Juno-6 is provided free of charge subject to
the
following restrictions:
1.) This license is for your personal use only.
2.) No portion of this software may be redistributed by you to any
other
person in any form.
3.) You may not sell UltraMaster Juno-6 to any person.
4.) UltraMaster Juno-6 is provided without any express or implied
warranty.
In no event shall UltraMaster Group be held liable for any damages
arising from the use of UltraMaster Juno-6.
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org
1:24 p.m.
Daniel James wrote:
I think the question related to the later source code release. The original
binaries were proprietary, for sure.
Sorry, Daniel, but that license I quoted is in fact from the
source-included package.
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org
So was it published under terms of GPL?
Definitely not
2:45 p.m.
Daniel James wrote:
I've written to them recently. Nothing back from David yet, and Karl's
email addy is defunct.
Best regards,
== dp
Currently listening to: Fiona Apple, "Criminal"
that license I
quoted is in fact from the
source-included package.
I wonder if those were also the terms obtained by Sylvain Robitaille? If so,
we're back to finding and asking the Ultramaster developers again. 
3:08 p.m.
On Friday 25 April 2003 00:34, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
In the meantime, interested readers might want to
check out Bristol,
(http://www.slabexchange.org/index.cgi?DOWNLOAD), mentioned in Dave
...
The drawback is that it's binary-only, but
otherwise apparently free
to use.
When he entered it on freshmeat.net he listed its license as GPL. I'm unable
to download anything from his FTP site presently but are there maybe source
files included in those tarballs?
Rob
26 Apr
26 Apr
3:09 p.m.
On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:20:03 -0400, Rob wrote / a écrit:
On Friday 25 April 2003 00:34, Sylvain Robitaille
wrote:
> In the meantime, interested readers might want to check out Bristol,
[snip].
When he entered it on freshmeat.net he listed its
license as GPL. I'm unable
to download anything from his FTP site presently but are there maybe source
files included in those tarballs?
I don't know for 0.9, but version 0.8 has a src directory full of files.
cheers
Guy CLO~
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23 Apr
23 Apr
3:36 p.m.
On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 04:26, Daniel James wrote:
Oh, I had read they were open source, and just assumed the Website
crashed.
If they are copyrighted or require a license just scratch it than.
I am really not interested much in program without source code. I think
that sucks. I want to look and study it and learn from it as well as
play it.
Does anyone
have a copy of these programs they might like to swing my
way?
I have binaries of Juno 1.0.1 and RS101 2.0-1.7 if you want them - just let me
know your preferred method of delivery. Unless anyone knows of licence
restrictions on redistribution of this software - if so, please let me know.
I was very anxious to try them but unfortunately
the web site seems
to be gone and there the software is no longer available.
Ultramaster programs weren't all source-available, unfortunately.
Did it close because of copyright reasons or was
it closed for some
other reason?
I don't know, but I suspect Ultramaster was just too far ahead of its time in
trying to build a business model around proprietary music software for Linux.
They were good programs, and I imagine they would have fitted in well with a
distribution like Lindows which isn't adverse to closed source.
It's not too late for the source code to be relicensed by its authors though,
if the proprietary product is defunct.
Cheers
Daniel
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