Well I use @#%*@%( RME damn it! And it @#^*@##^)( ROCKS and anybody who doesn't like my RME audio card can @^*@(^*!@ MY @$@#$^*@#)^* and another thing !#%*(P!@^*$ !@$^&(!@^$*@ @!%*(P@*% RME RME RME!!! I !@#%*(@^* LOVE IT! that was more polite than I often am ;) My 9652 is working like a charm...took some effort and help early on but it's going great now, without tweaking the presently existing drivers and kernels... :) oh and @$^*(@$^*)@#$ @*(^)!#($^)@!# !@)#$(^)@#($^!@ ()!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean Audigy? :-) Sometimes knocking at the door will get them opened faster than trying to break in with a battering ram. Seriously though, RME has done a lot for Linux community and have also been AFAIK very up-front that they will not support Fireface in Linux (at least not for the time being; perhaps once the competing companies try to catch-up and release their hardware in response to Fireface, at which point they will unlikely be in a position to spend more bucks on backwards-engineering the RME driver, at that point the RME may release the driver to their card; the other option would be what Paul in-part addressed: getting RME to present their model as a patented standard for other companies to use at which point their IP would be protected, but this obviously does not depend solely on RME but also on other companies in terms of embracing their protocol). At this point if you continue to be aggressive you just may do more damage than good. RME has told us several times that they are not planning on supporting Linux *at this point in time* for reasons we may or may not find to be valid (but that in itself is beside the point). OTOH, I can sympathize with you if you went out and dished out a lot of money for audio hw that does not work with Linux. If you have a proof that RME has somewhere clearly stated that they would support Linux with their Fireface before you made the purchase then you can bring this issue to their attention in hope that they will allow you to return the audio card for a refund, but that is about it. Alternately, you can take them to court but obviously only if you are never planning to deal with them again and only if you believe to have a very strong proof that they have claimed Linux support prior to your purchase (something that I personally definitely would *not* recommend, if for nothing else, then for the sake of the Linux community). That being said, I've had issues with the RME support in the past on their forums where my suggestions were patronized by the RME staff when it came to addressing a bug in their driver (even though in the end the bug was and arguably may still be there, haven't checked lately), and as a result I received rather rude responses from some of their staff members. Yet, their products are rather good and while sometimes their manners are not necessarily their strongest point, they certainly have helped Linux come one step closer to becoming a DAW powerhouse. That in itself made me look the other way regarding this matter and continue to support their products with my wallet and verbal advertisement where applicable. Best wishes, Ico --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 11/12/2004

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:38:46 +0100, Marek Peteraj <marpet(a)naex.sk> wrote: Marek, I just made it back after 5 days to see what had come up in this thread. It made for an interesting read. However, it seems pretty clear to me that for now anyway RME is not apparently going to try to solve this issue. They seem to have taken a pretty hard decision and my read is that they cannot justify the risks, as they see it, to create the driver or provide the technical info. That's too bad. I found the idea that Daniel was going to install Linux and look for himself very positive. It is this sort of inside champion of Linux audio that we need at RME. One guy on the inside working to make it happen would make all the difference. Maybe Daniel or someone else there at RME will take up the challenge one of these days but I don't see it happening soon. Sorry you found my post 'too polite'. ;-) With best regards, Mark

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:52:27 +0100, Marek Peteraj &lt;marpet(a)naex.sk&gt; wrote: <SNIP> Well, I am trying to get you some support. I am not hopeful though. They seem pretty set in their ideas right now. Let me ask - are you a developer? If RME suddenly did provide the information, and you are the only LAU user with this box, are you capable of developing the first Linux Audio 1394 driver? How do you see this getting put together? Cheers, Mark