27 Oct
2002
27 Oct
'02
10:11 a.m.
I just fixed my Mandrake RPM problems by installing Debian (woody).
Right now, I don't have any sound apps working.
What's the best way to go about it? I have an SB-Live soundcard, and
need to be able to play MIDI files, and record sound. (Usually via
timidity and ecasound, although I've used other apps as well.)
Is compiling Alsa CVS the right thing to do, or is there something
easy to do with apt-get that would get me going until I had something
I really needed the Alsa CVS for?
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27 Oct
27 Oct
11:26 a.m.
Hi,
Laura Conrad hat gesagt: // Laura Conrad wrote:
I just fixed my Mandrake RPM problems by installing
Debian (woody).
A cool solution.
Right now, I don't have any sound apps working.
What's the best way to go about it? I have an SB-Live soundcard, and
need to be able to play MIDI files, and record sound. (Usually via
timidity and ecasound, although I've used other apps as well.)
Is compiling Alsa CVS the right thing to do, or is there something
easy to do with apt-get that would get me going until I had something
I really needed the Alsa CVS for?
I wouldn't (and haven't done so) install ALSA CVS. There are some
changes that might mean, that you couldn't install any official Debian
sound software packages. I like staying with the Debian packages of
ALSA. They are fine, and if something is wrong, you can file Debian
bug reports :) Unless you really *need* ALSA CVS, I'd stay with the
distribution's packages.
Debian already has many sound packages. Get familiar with "apt-cache"
and you will find a lot of packages, try for example
$ apt-cache search recorder
$ apt-cache search midi
If you want the latest and greatest, you will probalby need to run the
Debian "testing" or even "unstable" branch, like I do. You can also
find some nice source packages at agnula.org
ciao
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Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
28 Oct
28 Oct
1:30 p.m.
>>>> "Frank" == Frank Barknecht
<fbar(a)footils.org> writes:
Frank> Hi,
Frank> Laura Conrad hat gesagt: // Laura Conrad wrote:
> I just fixed my Mandrake RPM problems by
installing Debian (woody).
Frank> A cool solution.
I hope so. Apt-get is working as well as it's supposed to, but I'm
still having to run it a lot. And there are still a bunch of things
that don't work yet.
Frank> I wouldn't (and haven't done so) install ALSA CVS. There
Frank> are some changes that might mean, that you couldn't install
Frank> any official Debian sound software packages. I like staying
Frank> with the Debian packages of ALSA.
OK, I'm trying to do that. I started out installing the obvious, and
timidity now thinks it's playing something but no sound comes out.
When I try to run amixer, it says "No ALSA driver installed".
When I run " /etc/init.d/alsa start", it says:
debian:/etc/init.d# ./alsa start
No ALSA driver installed
Starting ALSA sound driver (version none):modprobe: Can't locate module snd
failed.
So I tried installing some of the driver packages. The ones that are
build are for kernel 2.16, and i have 2.18, so I got the source, and
am trying to compile them, but I can't figure out how to tell
configure where the kernel source is. I've installed both
kernel-source and kernel-headers for 2.18, and apt-get just dumps
tarballs in /usr/src. When I unpack the tarballs there, configure is
happy if i give it --with-kernel=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18/, but
then make exits with:
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci'
/sbin/depmod -a -F /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18//System.map 2.4.18
depmod: Can't read /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18//System.map
But if I run configure --with-kernel=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18, it
complains that it can't findn version.h.
So is this what I'm supposed to do, and if so, how?
Frank> They are fine, and if something is wrong, you can file
Frank> Debian bug reports :)
I doubt that this particular problem is a bug, just a confusing setup,
and a user who doesn't know how to find the fine manual, if there is
one.
Frank> If you want the latest and greatest, you will probalby need
Frank> to run the Debian "testing" or even "unstable" branch,
like
Frank> I do. You can also find some nice source packages at
Frank> agnula.org
I'm trying to avoid that at the moment, because once when I upgraded to
testing on a junk system I stopped being able to get into X. And
I'm having enough problems getting things to work without a broken
upgrade on my hands.
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Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
(617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
3:01 p.m.
Hi,
Laura Conrad hat gesagt: // Laura Conrad wrote:
So I tried installing some of the driver packages.
The ones that are
build are for kernel 2.16, and i have 2.18, so I got the source, and
am trying to compile them, but I can't figure out how to tell
configure where the kernel source is. I've installed both
kernel-source and kernel-headers for 2.18, and apt-get just dumps
tarballs in /usr/src. When I unpack the tarballs there, configure is
happy if i give it --with-kernel=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18/, but
then make exits with:
Okay, you need the alsa-modules. Thes must match not only the kernel
version, but the actually compiled kernel, as well. So you could
either install a debian kernel-package and a debian alsa-modules
package, that match eech other.
Or you can compile your own kernel and your own modules. You should
not do this by hand, but instead "the debian way", and that is the
tool "make-kpkg" from the "kernel-package". Ifyou use this, compiling
a kernel an the alsa-modules is a breathe.
Just install kernel-package, alsa-source and have a kernel-source
handy. You need to unpack the archive "alsa-driver.tar.gz" in
/usr/src/ as well.
Read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or just look for the word
"impatient" there :)
You'll find this:
For the Brave and the impatient:
Phase ONE: Getting and configuring the kernel
1% cd <kernel source tree>
2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig and configure
Phase TWO: Create a portable kernel image .deb file
3% make-kpkg clean
4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
(Get_Root is whatever you need to become root -- fakeroot or
sudo are examples that come to mind).
Phase THREE: Install the kernel image on one or more machines
5# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_<arch>.deb
6# shutdown -r now # If and only if LILO worked or you have a means of
# booting the new kernel. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!
After the reboot (to be sure) you can build the alsa-modules with a
simple:
$ cd <kernel source tree>
$ make-kpkg modules_image
$ dpkg -i ../alsa-module-XXX.deb
That's it.
ciao
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Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
2 Nov
2 Nov
3:37 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Another New Debian User
I'm following the same trajectory that Laura described earlier.
I finally assembled my Linux system (Athlon 1900, ASUS A7V333 and an
M-Audio Delta 1010) and installed Mandrake. Mandrake went nowhere fast
so I decided to go back to my original Debian plan. I followed "The
Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough" (at OSNews.com)
which recommends apt-get-ting packages as you need them rather than
installing a whole bunch of apps by default.
Then I started through "Installing and Configuring ALSA Sound Modules
in Debian GNU/Linux HOWTO" (at LinuxOrbit.com), but the gaping chasms
in my Linux knowledge eventually prompted me to stop, back out the
ALSA pieces I had installed, and consider the Big Picture.
What is the Big Picture? I've got Dave Phillips' excellent "Linux
Music & Sound." But by necessity, it's too vague at the outset (when
discussing system configuration, for example) because he wants to
cover a wide swath of Linux eventualities. I'd like to get your
opinions on the following questions:
* Is the alsa-project.org the best place for module-specific
installation information (for Debian, anyway)? If so, the ice1712
information (which is what I think I need for the Delta 1010) is still
too abstract for a Linux newbie like myself to grasp.
* What tools make life easier or make life harder? For example,
Synaptic seems as though it makes the apt-get process too easy. Is
Synaptic really making my configuration job harder because it is
hiding compilation or configuration steps that I need to be tweaking?
* What simple tests can I run on which apps to let me know that my
configuration was successful? Or do most of these audio apps come with
built-in test routines to let you know that you've successfully
transmitted/received MIDI or digital audio?
If you would like to answer a small question in lieu of one of the
larger questions listed above, here's one: What is the best first step
I--as a Linux neophyte--can take to get Debian (kernel 2.4.16-k7) to
make friends with my M-Audio 1010 box?
Thanks!
Scott
6:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Another New Debian User
Scott Downie wrote:
If you would like to answer a small question in lieu
of one of the
larger questions listed above, here's one: What is the best first step
I--as a Linux neophyte--can take to get Debian (kernel 2.4.16-k7) to
make friends with my M-Audio 1010 box?
Today you can look at the article just posted to /. instructing you how
to install a deb app using apt. Personally I don't use apt very often,
instead I install as much as I can from source. But I have been using
Linux for over three years so take that with a grain of salt.
--
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For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
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kindof like does anyone remember like get_symbol
and put_symbol I think we used to have..."
- Rusty Russell in his talk on the module subsystem
7:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Another New Debian User
Hi,
Scott Downie hat gesagt: // Scott Downie wrote:
If you would like to answer a small question in lieu
of one of the
larger questions listed above, here's one: What is the best first step
I--as a Linux neophyte--can take to get Debian (kernel 2.4.16-k7) to
make friends with my M-Audio 1010 box?
OK, I'll take the short route :)
The simlest way to install ALSA on Debian is staying with what
apt-get gives you.
Unfourtunatly alsa-modules-0.9xx ist strongly recommended for your
M-Audio card, IMO. So you need to add a apt-repository for Debian
"testing" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, because testing has ALSA 0.9:
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
Then run "apt-get update" to update the list of available Debian
packages and then install a matching alsa-modules and kernel-image
package like:
$ apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 alsa-modules-2.4.18-k7
Also you need to install libasound2, libasound2-dev, alsa-utils and
alsa-base, some of which might get install with the above command.
You need libasound2-dev, because for the M-Audio 1010 you want the
tool "envy2control" which is not part of Debian yet. You can get it at
ftp.alsa-project.org included in the alsa-tools archive.
For ALSA modules configuration forget about using alsaconf, but
instead just copy the config from the docs at
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc to /etc/modutils/alsa and run
"update-modules" as root.
After that, a "/etc/init.d/alsa restart" should insert the ALSA
modules, and with envy24control and alsamixer you can unmute the
channels you want to use. Why are they muted? It's better for your
hardware, including ears...
Hope that helps, if not, just ask. That's what we're here for.
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
7:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Another New Debian User
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:16:56AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Unfourtunatly alsa-modules-0.9xx ist strongly
recommended for your
M-Audio card, IMO. So you need to add a apt-repository for Debian
"testing" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, because testing has ALSA 0.9:
FWIW I've been running "testing" on both my laptop and my desktop
for most of this year, and never had any stability problems.
It's a pretty nice way to stay on the not-quite-cutting edge.
"unstable" is a whole other ball game. The name is accurate.
I ran unstable for a couple months, and went back to "testing"
after the second time an update ate some important config stuff.
one time I couldn't even boot and had to use a rescue floppy!
Too bleeding-edge for me.
--PW
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
"Welcome to Muppet Labs, where the future is made - today!"
3 Nov
3 Nov
5:31 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NoteEdit problem
Hi,
I have tried several times to play a midi file loaded in NotedEdit
but I cant hear anything.
I run successfully (hear the music of) other applications like
MidiSynth for ex.
I looked at the midi setup menu , there was one item there:
MPU-401 0.0 Midi interface #1. OSS was checked (I am with OSS, not
ALSA)
Anybody have any idea what the problem is?
Thanks
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5 Nov
2:13 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NoteEdit problem
Hi,
I have tried several times to play a midi file loaded in NotedEdit
but I cant hear anything.
I run successfully (hear the music of) other applications like
MidiSynth for ex.
I looked at the midi setup menu , there was one item there:
MPU-401 0.0 Midi interface #1.
OSS was checked (I am with OSS, not ALSA)
Anybody have any idea what the problem is?
Thanks
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3 Nov
6:19 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Another New Debian User
Hi,
Paul Winkler hat gesagt: // Paul Winkler wrote:
FWIW I've been running "testing" on both
my laptop and my desktop
for most of this year, and never had any stability problems.
It's a pretty nice way to stay on the not-quite-cutting edge.
Yep, that what "testing" was made for. Unfortunatly (?) one needs to
use an internet connection, as testing isn't widely available on CDs.
OTOH, even testing is changing a lot, so CDs would age soon.
ciao
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