15 Jan
2008
15 Jan
'08
6:39 p.m.
Hello folks,
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable results when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
Leslie
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15 Jan
15 Jan
6:43 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:39:16 Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
Hello folks,
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable results when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
Leslie
guitar and most instruments certainly. it's a matter of placement. get close
to the instrument and hear where the various tonal peaks are then place your
mic accordingly. apply eq as required in post.
g.
6:45 p.m.
In my oppinion yes. Did it and it was fine with me. Depends on the mic. You
can't expect more from it, than it does for vocals. But as I see it those more
like recommendations. Probably requires a bit of tweaking where to put the mic
exactly...
Kindest regards
Julien
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6:48 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:45:24 Julien Claassen wrote:
more like recommendations. Probably requires a bit of
tweaking where to put
the mic exactly...
never underestimate the proximity effect. the closer you get,
the deeper the
harmonics. an excellent mic put in the wrong place is less use than a cheap
mic professionally positioned ;)
g.
10:28 p.m.
Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
Hello folks,
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable results when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
Leslie
Leslie,
A mike I've used is the Shure SM-58, one of the more popular affordable
voice mikes. It has a nice pattern and good proximity response with
modest windscreen performance. I run that into the low impedance input
of a quiet Behringer mixer and its line-out into the computer's
line-in. The dynamic range and fidelity are good as is the overall voice.
I find that with my rather high-end acoustic guitars positioning the
microphone with the ball below the sound hole, tipped up enough to be
pointing at the strings above the sound hole and close enough where the
resonance of the top is within the off-axis pick up pattern give me a
strong voice with balanced wood, string and projection, and with a
minimum of left hand finger noise.
Let us know what you learn from your work.
Frank
16 Jan
16 Jan
2:13 a.m.
On 15 Jan 2008 at 23:39, Leslie P. Polzer murmured decisively:
Hello folks,
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable results when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
yes, but you do need to take time to fiddle around with the placement.
you need someone to play the guitar while you listen to the mic on good
sealed headphones (ones that exclude all other sound and give a nice
balanced sound). move the mic around till it sounds like what you want.
you may find that over a meter away sounds better than close by, or maybe
close by sounds good. experiment.
no, you can't really fix it with EQ (-:
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4:53 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:39:16PM +0100, Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable results
when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
To my ears, this strongly depends on the microphone. While
I've not been
able to get decent acoustic guitar sounds from handheld dynamic vocal
microphones, my TLM103 works like a charm.
When using cardioid microphones, you have to be careful about the
distance between guitar and microphone, or the bass will get boomy. I
usually set the mic up in about 30cm distance at an angle of 70 degrees
to the face of the guitar, pointing at the position of the neck jiont.
Best regards
Christian
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11:36 p.m.
This post falls into the "Do as I say, not as I do" realm, but I have
been experimenting with this for a while now and have a few
observations to add.
1) Condenser mics are essential if you hope to capture anything
resembling what you hear as you play. As far as I can tell, one is
pretty much as good as another, but I'm partial to Oktava.
2) Two mics are better than one. A simple XY configuration does wonders.
3) Angle the mic configuration downward at, as someone pointed out
above, about a 70 degree angle (actually, I would expect that the
optimal angle would differ according to how your guitarist wields
their axe... anyway, point 'em down).
4) There are no hard-and-fast rules -- it depends on the sound you
want. If you want a crisp, "blue" sound, mic just up the neck from
the joint. If you want a browner sound, mic close to the hole. If
you want a percussive sound, mic the body itself. The great thing
about the guitar is that it's so many instruments rolled into one.
There's no one-size-fits-all solution for mic-ing.
Hope that helps.
On Jan 16, 2008 3:53 AM, Christian Schumann <schumann(a)physik.uni-kl.de> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:39:16PM +0100, Leslie P.
Polzer wrote:
will a vocals microphone produce acceptable
results when used to record
an acoustic instrument?
To my ears, this strongly depends on the microphone. While
I've not been
able to get decent acoustic guitar sounds from handheld dynamic vocal
microphones, my TLM103 works like a charm.
When using cardioid microphones, you have to be careful about the
distance between guitar and microphone, or the bass will get boomy. I
usually set the mic up in about 30cm distance at an angle of 70 degrees
to the face of the guitar, pointing at the position of the neck jiont.
Best regards
Christian
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Tel.: 0631/205-4843 (Lab) |
Fax.: 0631/205-3902 |
Post: Erwin-Schroedinger-Strasse, D-67663 Kaiserslautern
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