On 11 February 2011 19:13, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote: Just for grins, I had a crack at building the very ancient "X11 Rosegarden" 2.1 (http://www.cannam.demon.co.uk/rosegarden/distribution/) which was originally written for Sun-3 and SGI Indigo and hasn't been seriously worked on since 1999. It was hopelessly unable to work on my current 64-bit machine... must be fixable, might be an amusing bit of hacking. That would be _very_ fast these days... but it never did all that much. Jazz++, a Qt3-based application (RG 1.7.x or Muse 1), or at a stretch LMMS are the best I can come up with. There have to be other options that I'm simply not remembering. Chris

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Chris Cannam wrote: If you ever get the old Rosegarden working, let us know. Lots of people seem to think that it's necessary to make something run on GTK or QT to make it look good. I actually loved the look of the old Rosegarden. Too bad it's completely oblivious to Alsa concepts of Midi. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, Chris Cannam wrote: Yeah, that's true, and I realize how awful it is to directly program xlib. But sometimes the results that people come up with when they're forced to make their own widgets look better to me though than what the any of the toolkits offer. I think it makes the whole desktop is less gaudy if everything window on the screen isn't trying to use all sixteen million colors by itself. Well, one application niche that doesn't seem to be very well filled though is minimal *console* sequencers for gigging. In fact, you could go further than X11 Rosegarden and ask why there aren't any good sequencers that run off a console VTY with complete keyboard navigation for everything. I think a lot of people, if they could have a sequencer that gives them zero concerns over window size and position, widget-dragging, pulldown menus, and all that other stuff that makes you have to mouse around like an idiot on stage, and runs on a thin no-X11 system with Alsa/Jack and not much else, they might be in heaven. There used to be sequencers like that for DOS, but the only problem was that they ran on DOS, which had almost no Midi support without seriously ugly kludges, especially on laptops that had no soundcards with Midi. (Remember those terrible parallel port interfaces?) Today you could have the full Alsa/Jack services on a VTY, running on a very thin Linux system, if there was a console sequencer that was made to run like that. And everything could be done with hotkeys and arrow key navigation. Really fast and light, like the old DOS sequencers used to be. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

Am 12.02.2011 00:12, schrieb Ken Restivo: No offence ment but what 1.6 GHz/1GB RAM machine is that? I had Seq24 running on a Toshiba Laptop with 1GHz PIII and 256RAM and it was running perfectly OK. A collegue used it professionally on a 800 MHz Celeron with 256 RAM.

Am 12.02.2011 11:07, schrieb Robert Jonsson: Now I remember: I had it even running in a usable manner on my archaic Dell Latitude with 500MHz PII/128 RAM. Gave my very first public talk on Jack with introducing Rezound and Muse with that Laptop ;-) I also check the Jazz++ Site from time to time to see if there is something new. Anybody out there remembering Slab? http://www.llornkcor.com/SLab/SLab.html

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:07:51AM +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: OK, after working on this a bit, I have the following to report: 1) The problem isn't really the sequencer. It is running the sequencer *along with all of my softsynths* (which are of course using RT priority) that causes even seq24 to slow to an unusable crawl. 2) Rosegarden is fine for most uses, except it tends to crash, and the transport key shortcuts are totally different from Ardour, which continually trips me up (I guess I can customize those somehow, I'll look). 3) The screen real estate issue is a much bigger problem than the performance. I mean, this is the open dialog: http://restivo.org/misc/big.png 4) I haven't tried Muse but I'll have a look. I tried qtractor years ago when I think it was still a work in progress, but will have another go at it now. Thanks all for the nostalgia! -ken

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 03:19:16AM +0000, Gwenhwyfaer wrote: Great idea, thanks! Or I could just use my faster machine for sequencing work, which is what I've been doing over the past few days. Or, I could just run a minimal softsynth or two for some kinds of sequencing work, and do the heavy lifting on the laptop. By the way, I worked two gigs this weekend, using aseqnet, with great results! I have a donated Asus tablet (Atom 1Ghz, 1GB), which I used for that huge Pedulla bass in LinuxSampler. The rest of the synths I ran on my EEE, and I just connected the two with aseqnet. Worked well. I noticed a bit of a lag when playing really busy bass parts, but I think that might get solved by bumping the RT priority of the aseqnet instances. -ken

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:35:46AM +0000, Chris Cannam wrote: The font is whatever is the default if you don't have KDE installed (I don't). I don't know of any way to change it. The WM is ion3, which tiles windows. I guess it's doing with the dialog whatever it was told to do. Ah, I just found a command to resize dialogs (Mod1+Button3), and now I can see what's in it! Thanks! -ken

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 05:15:52PM +0000, Chris Cannam wrote: Naw, it doesn't tile them, it sticks them in whatever tile has the parent window. And it probably has some kind of code to make sure the dialog doesn't cover the parent window. Anyway, looks like I've got it sorted now. -ken

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 07:19:49PM +0100, Philipp ??berbacher wrote: Another tiling WM user here. I use stumpwm (written in lisp), with everything full screen. The default bindings are similar to GNU screen, but using Ctrl-T as the hotkey. Dialogs float to the top. Occasionally I'll encounter an app that crashes stumpwm. Since I use screen, however, the recovery is pretty easy: I get all my terminals back when the WM executes screen -R -d Cheers, Joel -- Joel Roth

Chris Cannam wrote: Hi Chris, Just an FYI. I routinely build KeyKit on any new machine. It's as good as ever, still a kick-ass algorithmic composition environment for MIDI. Best, dp

You'll have to remind me to drop Turtle Beach a line one Christmas so I can remind (or inform!) them of what a sterling job Dave does to this day on LA* forever bolstering SPG's rank and mindshare in the dwindling pack textual DOS sequencers the world so dearly yearns for! On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:

B0;136;0cOn Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:56:53PM -0800, Steiny wrote: You say "nothing you don't [need]", then mention video sync, a feature I bet he doesn't need. ;)

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 06:44:18PM -0800, Steiny wrote: Heh. Actually, I went back home to Rosegarden. It's crashy as hell, but probably because I'm running an ancient (*ahem* Debian Lemmy *ahem*) version. I should try to find or make a backport of a more recent version. Anyway, it runs fine if I stay the hell away from JACK-RACK on this box, just run my synths, enough to get some basic compositioning done, which is really what I wanted. Thanks, all. -ken