At Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:58:10 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think we have a case here where two valid, but different, definitions of user-friendly are at odds. All of the benefits you list are things I never have and never will take advantage of. However, I represent a screaming minority (possibly of one) within the *nix world, so I just bend over and take it. -Pete

At Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:55:42 -0500, RTaylor wrote: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) ^^^^^^^^^^ My mail client (wanderlust) is plenty uber for my tastes. It's fast, text based, threads perfectly and runs inside of emacs. Doesn't make me dislike mailing-lists any more. All the strengths of mailing lists are things I simply never use. I just wanna say stuff and read stuff, nothing more, nothing less. -Pete

miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Not so much ported but they develop concurrently on all platforms. I've been using Thunderbird for a long time on Linux and rather like it, as for as GUI readers go (I still like Pine and Mutt otherwise). But I still do all of my list filtering with procmail regardless. -- Brett

On Monday 14 June 2004 16:33, you wrote: } User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 } (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 } (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) ^^^^^^^^^^ For all it's otherwise goodness... Kmail doesn't let you view as many of the headers as I'd like... At least, I don't think it does. It was a sort of "quicky" thing I set up while I was putting this system together last week... It is pretty nice for not being "uber". Thunderbird just seems sort of "foreign" to me... } My mail client (wanderlust) is plenty uber for my tastes. It's fast, } text based, threads perfectly and runs inside of emacs. Doesn't make } me dislike mailing-lists any more. All the strengths of mailing lists } are things I simply never use. I just wanna say stuff and read stuff, } nothing more, nothing less. Not used it was a beta... :} You're using the scoring? It should just be a matter of "saying stuff and reading stuff". -- If I had saxophones / Big baritone, cleanin' up the muddy breaks If I had Saxophones / I could get some recognition from that Mobile Alabama DJ {J.Buffet}

James Stone <jmstone(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote: Oh.. there's also gnus for emacs. James

On 16-Jun-2004 James Stone wrote: } On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 09:08:40PM -0500, RTaylor wrote: } > Thunderbird just seems sort of "foreign" to me... } Tried pan as a newsreader? Very nice if you like the GUI approach. Just } found out you can get LAU as newsgroup feed from gmane too! Pan's pretty nice for a GUI thingy... gnus is my favorite newsreader bar none... } If you prefer terminal stuff, I think slrn is pretty nice (or maybe tin: } I swing between the two). I've not used slrn since about '96-97 or so... tin since around '94. As far as really old school stuff goes I probably prefer trn {and some of the variants thereof} to anything. Slrn is pretty good though. gnus beats everything else hands down in my opinion. I've not really seen that much on usenet these days worth bothering with... maybe the coding groups... Everything else seems to have been spammed to death. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 18-Jun-2004 Time: 23:09:40 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 19-Jun-2004 miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: } RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } >On 16-Jun-2004 James Stone wrote: } >} On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 09:08:40PM -0500, RTaylor wrote: } >} > Thunderbird just seems sort of "foreign" to me... } > } >} Tried pan as a newsreader? Very nice if you like the GUI approach. Just } >} found out you can get LAU as newsgroup feed from gmane too! } > } > Pan's pretty nice for a GUI thingy... gnus is my favorite newsreader bar } >none... } sorry... maybe its the older versions that i used, but it sucks ass... } crashes all the time. sorry to any developers who are involved - if you } like i can test it and help you with bug reports. It's never crashed on me. I don't really bother with usenet anymore. I did download all of the bodies from the smalltalk groups on speakeasy a while back. If that didn't kill it... I don't think anything will. } also i prefer a client where i can do email plus news. Like gnus. Supposedly xfmail does it as well... I don't know how well... what sort of mime types, etc it will deal with. Apparently there are a lot of options you can build into this thing. I just did a straight build. I guess I missed some stuff. Gnus does everything though... I imagine it could probably answer your mail for you given the appropriate programming. } >} If you prefer terminal stuff, I think slrn is pretty nice (or maybe tin: } >} I swing between the two). } > } > I've not used slrn since about '96-97 or so... tin since around '94. As far } >really old school stuff goes I probably prefer trn {and some of the variants } >thereof} to anything. Slrn is pretty good though. gnus beats everything else } >hands down in my opinion. } i'm dyslexic. can't do stuff that aint visual at least in one way. } } i learnt linux once i got the visual side of the filesystem tree. i } picture it. but thats why i cant program. I'm not quite sure I understand that. I do have an easier time with guis... My mind works {pretty much} visually. Text usually works better as text as far as I'm concerned. } i use things in a bizarre way though so i'm an ideal bug tester. } } btw. whats XFMail? XForms mail. It's pretty old... the developer's porting it to gtk now. For quite some time it was one of the better mailers on X. It's still pretty comprehensive. It's still pretty nice. I like the way X looks {tho' this is a bit closer to Next... a sort of hybrid.} ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 19-Jun-2004 Time: 04:49:58 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------