7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
4:11 a.m.
I bought one for my controller keyboard and it seems to be just a
footswitch. Are they all like this - is there any way to get one that gives
you 127 levels of control?
7 Aug
7 Aug
4:26 a.m.
Hi Danni,
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Danni Coy wrote:
I bought one for my controller keyboard and it seems
to be just a
footswitch. Are they all like this - is there any way to get one that
gives you 127 levels of control?
Damper/Sustain pedals are typically momentary (non-latching) switches --
like what you have.
It sounds like what you want is a MIDI expression pedal. These usually
have a see-saw-like construction for your foot to rock back and forth.
They also have an encoder for sending MIDI CC's.
HTH,
Gabriel
4:26 a.m.
Hey Danny!
If you want that, you need an "expression pedal". The sustain pedeals just
do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they signify?
HTH.
Kindest regards
Julien
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1:39 p.m.
Hi Julien,
On Friday 07 of August 2009 08:26:26 Julien Claassen wrote:
If you want that, you need an "expression
pedal". The sustain
pedeals just do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they
signify?
The sustain pedal on an acoustic piano does not act as a simple on/off
switch. Pressing the pedal lifts the damper from the strings, but it's
also possible to let the damper just slightly touch the strings by not
pressing the pedal all the way down. For some piano pieces, this
technique is even essential to play them properly.
There are sustain pedals which allow for this half pedal effect, but
they can't be used with all keyboards. I've only seen this feature in
digital pianos / stage pianos (88 keys with hammer action, etc.).
I'm not sure if it's supported by any of the more simple MIDI controller
keyboards.
Dominic
5:16 p.m.
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:37:20 +0200
Dominic Sacré <dominic.sacre(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Julien,
On Friday 07 of August 2009 08:26:26 Julien Claassen wrote:
Yep, I'm reasonably sure that my digital pianos sustain has only three
positions, off, on and something in between. I'm not totally sure since
I'm not really using sustain yet. It's a yamaha DGX-630. This should
definitely not be a recommendation, it has some annoying features, but
at least sustain (with the three pedal footpiece) isn't just binary.
Philipp
If you want that, you need an "expression
pedal". The sustain
pedeals just do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they
signify?
The sustain pedal on an acoustic piano does not act as a simple
on/off switch. Pressing the pedal lifts the damper from the strings,
but it's also possible to let the damper just slightly touch the
strings by not pressing the pedal all the way down. For some piano
pieces, this technique is even essential to play them properly.
There are sustain pedals which allow for this half pedal effect, but
they can't be used with all keyboards. I've only seen this feature in
digital pianos / stage pianos (88 keys with hammer action, etc.).
I'm not sure if it's supported by any of the more simple MIDI
controller keyboards.
Dominic 
8 Aug
8 Aug
7:57 p.m.
Dominic Sacré wrote:
Hi Julien,
On Friday 07 of August 2009 08:26:26 Julien Claassen wrote:
Yes, I miss that in my digital piano playing!
If you want that, you need an "expression
pedal". The sustain
pedeals just do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they
signify?
The sustain pedal on an acoustic piano does not act as a simple on/off
switch. Pressing the pedal lifts the damper from the strings, but it's
also possible to let the damper just slightly touch the strings by not
pressing the pedal all the way down. For some piano pieces, this
technique is even essential to play them properly. There are sustain pedals which allow for this half
pedal effect, but
they can't be used with all keyboards. I've only seen this feature in
digital pianos / stage pianos (88 keys with hammer action, etc.).
I'm not sure if it's supported by any of the more simple MIDI controller
keyboards.
Perhaps an expression pedal could be mapped to function as a sustain
more like a real piano's sustain pedal?
--
David
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16 Aug
16 Aug
6:33 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 11:49:11AM -1000, david wrote:
Dominic Sacr?? wrote:
My teacher has one of these pedals. It was made in Italy and went with some keyboard
he's long since gotten rid of.
I took it apart and there are two contact strips: one for the downstroke and one for the
upstroke. So I guess it sends a note message for pedal down, and one for pedal up. It only
has a 1/4" tip/sleeve jack so I'm not sure how it's sending that to the
keyboard.
Since playing around with the Steinway Gigasample, I keep thinking it'd be nice if the
pedal could be more expressive and get those "in between" spots or just not
CLANG if I life the pedal gently.
-ken
Hi Julien,
On Friday 07 of August 2009 08:26:26 Julien Claassen wrote:
Yes, I miss that in my digital piano playing!
If you want that, you need an "expression
pedal". The sustain
pedeals just do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they
signify?
The sustain pedal on an acoustic piano does not act as a simple on/off
switch. Pressing the pedal lifts the damper from the strings, but it's
also possible to let the damper just slightly touch the strings by not
pressing the pedal all the way down. For some piano pieces, this
technique is even essential to play them properly. There are sustain pedals which allow for this
half pedal effect, but
they can't be used with all keyboards. I've only seen this feature in
digital pianos / stage pianos (88 keys with hammer action, etc.).
I'm not sure if it's supported by any of the more simple MIDI controller
keyboards.
Perhaps an expression pedal could be mapped to function as a sustain
more like a real piano's sustain pedal?
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:58 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 11:49:11AM -1000, david
wrote:
Probably hooked into circuitry in the keyboard that (1) used the voltage
level(s) to change signals in other parts of the circuitry, and (2)
mapped voltage levels to some MIDI event code somewhere.
Dominic Sacr?? wrote:
My teacher has one of these pedals. It was made in Italy and went
with some keyboard he's long since gotten rid of.
I took it apart and there are two contact strips: one for the
downstroke and one for the upstroke. So I guess it sends a note
message for pedal down, and one for pedal up. It only has a 1/4"
tip/sleeve jack so I'm not sure how it's sending that to the
keyboard. Hi Julien,
On Friday 07 of August 2009 08:26:26 Julien Claassen wrote:
Yes, I miss that in my digital piano playing!
If you want that, you need an "expression
pedal". The sustain
pedeals just do normal or sustain, no degrees. What should they
signify?
The sustain pedal on an acoustic piano does not act as a simple
on/off switch. Pressing the pedal lifts the damper from the
strings, but it's also possible to let the damper just slightly
touch the strings by not pressing the pedal all the way down. For
some piano pieces, this technique is even essential to play them
properly. There are sustain pedals which allow for this
half pedal effect,
but they can't be used with all keyboards. I've only seen this
feature in digital pianos / stage pianos (88 keys with hammer
action, etc.). I'm not sure if it's supported by any of the more
simple MIDI controller keyboards.
Perhaps an expression pedal could be mapped to
function as a
sustain more like a real piano's sustain pedal? Since playing around with the Steinway Gigasample, I
keep thinking
it'd be nice if the pedal could be more expressive and get those "in
between" spots or just not CLANG if I life the pedal gently.
Sorry, I was thinking more along the lines of a volume control pedal,
with its events mapped to various degrees of sustain?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
7 Aug
7 Aug
3:48 p.m.
Danni Coy-3 wrote:
I bought one for my controller keyboard and it seems to be just a
footswitch. Are they all like this - is there any way to get one that
gives
you 127 levels of control?
Here is a link to a MIDI Volume Pedal using the Arduino.
http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/?p=250
With a little change of code you could make it control any MIDI parameter.
I plan on building one of these for my Mother's electronic keyboard so she
can have a swell pedal like she did on her old electric organ.
-- Jeff
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