9 Sep
2004
9 Sep
'04
2:40 p.m.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
Go for it. i would definetly like to save the extra
step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on Sid
each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to compile it
yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy the .ko to the
correct place and then reboot.
9 Sep
9 Sep
3:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thursday 09 September 2004 02:24 pm, David Baron wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
Wha? realtime-lsm source deb should be fresh enough and if not, it's easy to
bump up the control files for a real package. I can't think of any reason to
be copying by hand that's good.
Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on Sid
each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to compile it
yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy the .ko to
the correct place and then reboot. 
4:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
I've been keeping a symlink /usr/src/realtime ->
/usr/src/realtime-<current-verson>
Then in my /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh I have:
insmod /usr/src/realtime/realtime.ko <options>
I may have the actual module name wrong there, but that gives the idea.
When I rebuild the lsm for each new kernel I just do a make clean; make.
No make install, hence the insmod instead of modprobe. I asked joq if
this was ok earlier this year and he didn't see a problem with it. Just
one more way of handling it.
I'm not sure how to work this into debian longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan. The other option is to have
some crazy soul paying attention to debian kernel builds and getting a
new lsm.deb built and uploaded to unstable for every new kernel. I would
do it, but (other than 4 years of using debian a bare minimum of
40hrs/week) I haven't even started studying for becoming a debian
developer, yet, let alone looking for a sponsor ... it's on the todo
list, but that's a mile long and growing. Since it's such a small piece
of code new deb's probably aren't worth the effort, anyway.
Let's give Lee whatever support he needs to get this thing into Linux
proper.
-Eric Rz.
Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm
precompiled binary is not updated on Sid
each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to compile it
yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy the .ko to the
correct place and then reboot. 
4:53 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 16:03, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
I'm not sure how to work this into debian
longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan.
Thanks, the responses so far are overwhelmingly in favor of this.
Let's give Lee whatever support he needs to get
this thing into Linux
proper.
At this point I am just waiting to hear from the original author of the
module, I want to make sure he is happy with the code before posting it
to LKML, because it wil have his name on it after all. I don't think
this will be a very controversial suggestion, not on the level of, say,
reiser4...
Lee
10 Sep
10 Sep
2:08 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
amen.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:03:42 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
<rzewnickie(a)rfa.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
I've been keeping a symlink /usr/src/realtime ->
/usr/src/realtime-<current-verson>
Then in my /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh I have:
insmod /usr/src/realtime/realtime.ko <options>
I may have the actual module name wrong there, but that gives the idea.
When I rebuild the lsm for each new kernel I just do a make clean; make.
No make install, hence the insmod instead of modprobe. I asked joq if
this was ok earlier this year and he didn't see a problem with it. Just
one more way of handling it.
I'm not sure how to work this into debian longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan. The other option is to have
some crazy soul paying attention to debian kernel builds and getting a
new lsm.deb built and uploaded to unstable for every new kernel. I would
do it, but (other than 4 years of using debian a bare minimum of
40hrs/week) I haven't even started studying for becoming a debian
developer, yet, let alone looking for a sponsor ... it's on the todo
list, but that's a mile long and growing. Since it's such a small piece
of code new deb's probably aren't worth the effort, anyway.
Let's give Lee whatever support he needs to get this thing into Linux
proper.
-Eric Rz.
Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm
precompiled binary is not updated on Sid
each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to compile it
yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy the .ko to the
correct place and then reboot.
3:27 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:03 pm, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David Baron
wrote:
Really, the package system for debian is pretty easy and when you've got a
package already most of the work is already done.. Make a couple of edits to
the control files and build. The kernel-utils make it easy:
make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image && dpkg
-i ../kernel-image.deb ../modules-image.deb && reboot
or portions thereof.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
I've been keeping a symlink /usr/src/realtime ->
/usr/src/realtime-<current-verson>
Then in my /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh I have:
insmod /usr/src/realtime/realtime.ko <options>
I may have the actual module name wrong there, but that gives the idea.
When I rebuild the lsm for each new kernel I just do a make clean; make.
No make install, hence the insmod instead of modprobe. I asked joq if
this was ok earlier this year and he didn't see a problem with it. Just
one more way of handling it. Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on
Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy
the .ko to the correct place and then reboot.
I'm not sure how to work this into debian longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan. The other option is to have
some crazy soul paying attention to debian kernel builds and getting a
new lsm.deb built and uploaded to unstable for every new kernel. I would
More like get every kernel package builder to carry the realtime-lsm source.
Pretty sure that's how they provide the ALSA packages
do it, but (other than 4 years of using debian a bare
minimum of
40hrs/week) I haven't even started studying for becoming a debian
developer, yet, let alone looking for a sponsor ... it's on the todo
list, but that's a mile long and growing. Since it's such a small piece
of code new deb's probably aren't worth the effort, anyway.
Let's give Lee whatever support he needs to get this thing into Linux
proper.
-Eric Rz.
4:14 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 03:10:15PM -0400, John Check wrote:
I've been feeling more and more lately that I need to stop doing things
my own way. It works for me, but I figure if I can figure out problems
on my own system, it can't be that much more effort to figure things out
within the debian framework. That way I could help more people than my
self with minimal additional effort. Besides, most of the time my
problems will already have been solved by someone else.
-Eric Rz.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:03 pm, Eric Dantan
Rzewnicki wrote:
I tried doing things this way many months ago, but couldn't get it
working ... I'll have to look into it again. I believe you when you say
it should be really easy. I can't remember exactly what went wrong.
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David
Baron wrote:
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
> linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
Really, the package system
for debian is pretty easy and when you've got a
package already most of the work is already done.. Make a couple of edits to
the control files and build. The kernel-utils make it easy:
make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image && dpkg
-i ../kernel-image.deb ../modules-image.deb && reboot
or portions thereof. I'm not
sure how to work this into debian longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan. The other option is to have
some crazy soul paying attention to debian kernel builds and getting a
new lsm.deb built and uploaded to unstable for every new kernel. I would
More like
get every kernel package builder to carry the realtime-lsm source.
Pretty sure that's how they provide the ALSA packages
11:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Friday 10 September 2004 03:57 pm, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
I've been feeling more and more lately that I need to stop doing things
my own way. It works for me, but I figure if I can figure out problems
on my own system, it can't be that much more effort to figure things out
within the debian framework. That way I could help more people than my
self with minimal additional effort. Besides, most of the time my
problems will already have been solved by someone else.
-Eric Rz.
Yes, well I went to Debian for the convenience. They have utilities to do
everything, one just needs to know what they are. That's what the policy
manual is for.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 03:10:15PM -0400, John Check
wrote:
Okay well, lemme know what happens when you do.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:03 pm, Eric
Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
I tried doing things this way many months ago, but couldn't get it
working ... I'll have to look into it again. I believe you when you say
it should be really easy. I can't remember exactly what went wrong.
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David
Baron wrote:
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
> linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
Really, the package system for debian is pretty easy and when you've got
a package already most of the work is already done.. Make a couple of
edits to the control files and build. The kernel-utils make it easy:
make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image && dpkg
-i ../kernel-image.deb ../modules-image.deb && reboot
or portions thereof. I'm not sure how to work this into debian
longterm. Probably Lee's idea
to get it in the kernel is the best plan. The other option is to have
some crazy soul paying attention to debian kernel builds and getting a
new lsm.deb built and uploaded to unstable for every new kernel. I
would
More like get every kernel package builder to carry the realtime-lsm
source. Pretty sure that's how they provide the ALSA packages
13 Sep
13 Sep
1:44 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 11:03:22PM -0400, John Check wrote:
On Friday 10 September 2004 03:57 pm, Eric Dantan
Rzewnicki wrote:
Yep. I've got that slated for reading material starting around January
or there abouts.
-Eric Rz.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 03:10:15PM -0400, John
Check wrote:
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:03 pm, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:24:24PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
> > > On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
> > > linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
Yes, well I went
to Debian for the convenience. They have utilities to do
everything, one just needs to know what they are. That's what the policy
manual is for.
9 Sep
9 Sep
4:37 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
This is why we want realtime-lsm to be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel. Since
it's simple and reliable, like you said, there's a pretty good argument
for adding it to the standard Linux kernel. You would not have to deal
with compiling it separately.
Lee
Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on Sid
each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to compile it
yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy the .ko to the
correct place and then reboot.
10 Sep
10 Sep
3:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:20 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
Are you sure? ALSA isn't always current.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
This is why we want realtime-lsm to be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel. Since Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on
Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy
the .ko to the correct place and then reboot. it's simple and reliable, like you said,
there's a pretty good argument
for adding it to the standard Linux kernel. You would not have to deal
with compiling it separately.
Lee
4:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 02:57:01PM -0400, John Check wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:20 pm, Lee Revell
wrote:
The thing is that even if there weren't a new version of the lsm, there
would at least be a build that matched the symbols of the kernel
version. The problem isn't so much keeping the version of the
realtime-lsm in sink as it is having a version that's compiled to match
the kernel version.
Even with alsa drivers, if you build the most reason version outside the
kernel tree, you have to recompile everytime you recompile your kernel.
maybe you could get around this by turning off versioned symbols in your
kernel ... but, I get the impression things can get messy that way. I
don't entirely grok what I'm talking about .. but, I've generally
understood it to be better to not try to mix modules compiled against
a given kernel with other kernels.
-Eric Rz.
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
Are you
sure? ALSA isn't always current. On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
This is why we want realtime-lsm to
be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel. Since Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm
precompiled binary is not updated on
Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy
the .ko to the correct place and then reboot.
4:42 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:57, John Check wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:20 pm, Lee Revell
wrote:
Exactly, but realtime-lsm has not changed in a long time, it's very
simple (~200 lines of code), has no known bugs, and many people find it
useful. So it's a perfect candidate to include in the kernel.
I have already received an OK from the maintainer, as soon as I get a
patch from him I will be posting it to LKML.
Lee
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
Are you sure? ALSA isn't always current.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
This is why we want realtime-lsm to be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel. Since Go for it. i would definetly like to save the
extra step of compiling
the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i think it might
prove useful even for non audio users.. Often security stuff likes to
mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated on
Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to copy
the .ko to the correct place and then reboot. 
5:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Friday 10 September 2004 01:25 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:57, John Check wrote:
Realtime-lsm is the most usefull patch in my situation. I don't like running
stuff as root and RT-lsm allows me not to have to do that. It's use in
creating best latency on it's own...well, it does not match what I had with
the 2.4 kernel in Mandrake yet but it still enables me to record in Ardour,
run jack at 512 x 2 as a user on my Delta1010LT with FX monitoring and is low
enough latency that I can play a guitar through it live running Ardour and
LADSPA fx like delays, reverbs and chorus' without the unsuspecting knowing.
The only issue I find is I have to let my MDK 10 box catch up after I start
jack then ardour other wise Ardour drops the jack pipe. Other than that it's
fine.
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:20 pm, Lee
Revell wrote:
Exactly, but realtime-lsm has not changed in a long time, it's very
simple (~200 lines of code), has no known bugs, and many people find it
useful. So it's a perfect candidate to include in the kernel.
I have already received an OK from the maintainer, as soon as I get a
patch from him I will be posting it to LKML.
Lee On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
Are you sure? ALSA isn't always current. On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
> Go for it. i would definetly like to save the extra step of
> compiling the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i
> think it might prove useful even for non audio users.. Often
> security stuff likes to mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated
on Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to
copy the .ko to the correct place and then reboot.
This is why we want realtime-lsm to be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel.
Since
11:21 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-lsm in the kernel
On Friday 10 September 2004 04:25 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:57, John Check wrote:
Sweet!
On Thursday 09 September 2004 04:20 pm, Lee
Revell wrote:
Exactly, but realtime-lsm has not changed in a long time, it's very
simple (~200 lines of code), has no known bugs, and many people find it
useful. So it's a perfect candidate to include in the kernel.
I have already received an OK from the maintainer, as soon as I get a
patch from him I will be posting it to LKML.
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:24, David Baron wrote:
Are you sure? ALSA isn't always current. On Thursday 09 September 2004 19:00,
linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu wrote:
> Go for it. i would definetly like to save the extra step of
> compiling the realtime lsm each time i upgrade my kernel.. And i
> think it might prove useful even for non audio users.. Often
> security stuff likes to mlock small portions of memory, too, etc..
Yes, except that the realtime-lsm precompiled binary is not updated
on Sid each time the kernel is. The only way to keep it current is to
compile it yourself. Compiles quickly and reliably--just remember to
copy the .ko to the correct place and then reboot.
This is why we want realtime-lsm to be part of the kernel, because it
_would_ automatically get upgraded when you upgraded your kernel.
Since Lee
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