23 Oct
2011
23 Oct
'11
10:54 p.m.
My end goal is to insert content into an audio file to
identify me as
the creator and identify which parts of the Creative
Commons license
apply to its release. What term should I use to name that?
Paranoia?
Creative Commons is about letting your children leave home and find a
life of their own - they are still your children but you accept that they have
gone feral. If you cannot handle that then don't release in the public domain.
Nick.
"we have to make sure the old choice [Windows] doesn't disappear”.
Jim Wong, president of IT products, Acer
> To: nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [LAU] Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0700
> From: kevinc(a)cosgroves.us
>
>
> On 23 October 2011 at 22:10, Nick Copeland <nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Have you ever signed a file with GNUPG? That's a watermark.
> > > Have you ever used an SHA or MD5 signature of a file, and
> > > verified those signatures with GNUPG?
> >
> > What is the relationship?
> >
> > These are not watermarks. The above are methods to prove or
> > disprove that any given person was the source of a given
> > message.
>
> That's precisely the intent of what I want to do with an audio file
> watermark, to prove that at least at one point I was the source of
> the file.
>
> > A watermark is a means of marking a resource such that it may
> > not be used by anybody else without degradation of quality.
>
> We have in mind different definitions of "watermark". Certainly, I
> could be wrong in my terminology.
>
> This definition http://www.thefreedictionary.com/watermark doesn't help.
>
> This definition http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/digital_watermark.html
> leans more in the direction of what you're saying in the 3rd sentence
> of the first paragraph. But, the first sentence of that paragraph is
> much like what I would want. I'm only after the identification of the
> material, not the restriction of the material. If I wanted
> restriction, then I would have asked for advise on how to do that
> instead.
>
My end goal is to insert content into an audio file to
identify me as
the creator and identify
which parts of the Creative Commons license
apply to its release. What term should I use to name that?
>
> Thanks....
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
23 Oct
23 Oct
10:58 p.m.
New subject: Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools OFFLIST
Oops, that was not offlist. Man, damn these mail clients.
"we have to make sure the old choice [Windows] doesn't disappear”.
Jim Wong, president of IT products, Acer
From: nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:54:02 +0200
Subject: Re: [LAU] Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools OFFLIST
My end goal is to insert content into an audio file to
identify me as
the creator and identify which parts of the Creative
Commons license
apply to its release. What term should I use to name that?
Paranoia?
Creative Commons is about letting your children leave home and find a
life of their own - they are still your children but you accept that they have
gone feral. If you cannot handle that then don't release in the public domain.
Nick.
"we have to make sure the old choice [Windows] doesn't disappear”.
Jim Wong, president of IT products, Acer
> To: nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [LAU] Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:32:18 -0700
> From: kevinc(a)cosgroves.us
>
>
> On 23 October 2011 at 22:10, Nick Copeland <nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Have you ever signed a file with GNUPG? That's a watermark.
> > > Have you ever used an SHA or MD5 signature of a file, and
> > > verified those signatures with GNUPG?
> >
> > What is the relationship?
> >
> > These are not watermarks. The above are methods to prove or
> > disprove that any given person was the source of a given
> > message.
>
> That's precisely the intent of what I want to do with an audio file
> watermark, to prove that at least at one point I was the source of
> the file.
>
> > A watermark is a means of marking a resource such that it may
> > not be used by anybody else without degradation of quality.
>
> We have in mind different definitions of "watermark". Certainly, I
> could be wrong in my terminology.
>
> This definition http://www.thefreedictionary.com/watermark doesn't help.
>
> This definition http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/digital_watermark.html
> leans more in the direction of what you're saying in the 3rd sentence
> of the first paragraph. But, the first sentence of that paragraph is
> much like what I would want. I'm only after the identification of the
> material, not the restriction of the material. If I wanted
> restriction, then I would have asked for advise on how to do that
> instead.
>
My end goal is to insert content into an audio file to
identify me as
the creator and identify
which parts of the Creative Commons license
apply to its release. What term should I use to name that?
>
> Thanks....
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
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24 Oct
24 Oct
6:43 a.m.
New subject: Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools OFFLIST
On 24/10/11 04:54, Nick Copeland wrote:
Actually one of the main ideas of many (most?) Creative Commons variants is that
while allowing various uses of the material copyright is claimed, and credit and
acknowledgement is required.
Creative Commons is usually very different from public domain.
This especially applies if the reason behind releasing something for
non-commercial use under a CC license is to promote yourself, and your work ...
hoping to get some paid work as a result, or hoping someone may wish to pay to
use the work released as non-commercial in a commercial context.
So a means of helping ensure that the work remains identified as yours may be
quite sensible.
Simon
My end goal is to insert content into an audio
file to identify me as
the creator and identify which parts of the
Creative Commons license
apply to its release. What term should I use to name that?
Paranoia?
Creative Commons is about letting your children leave home and find a
life of their own - they are still your children but you accept that they have
gone feral. If you cannot handle that then don't release in the public domain.
7:28 a.m.
New subject: Looking for Audio Watermarking Advice & Tools OFFLIST
I would say Creative Commons is hugely different from a public domain
because it has one huge premise behind it - that an author has the moral
right to dictate to other people how they use his work once he released his
work to the public. So CC is just an example of a "kind master", who
mercifully lets you use the work.
In my view such a claim is illegitimate, so to me both GNU GPL and CC are
lesser evils, which are necessary weapons in the world of copyright but
otherwise would have no moral ground.
--
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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