15 Jan
2007
15 Jan
'07
2:06 p.m.
On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Michal Seta wrote:
Sorry to reply to my own message.
I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such
support was added so I am compiling now...
Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I
still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of
deps - is there an easier way?
15 Jan
15 Jan
3:13 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
Hello again, folks -
A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I
could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all
the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks
coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the
way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of
bigger drives for data later.
The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it
up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a
PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board
to get for this setup?
Thanks again!
Mark
4:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
I've had a lot of good luck with an ATI X800 XL that's now fairly well
supported with GPL'd OpenGL drivers in Xorg. I've seen these boards
available via ATI's website refurbished for less than $100 bucks.
On 1/15/07, mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org <mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org> wrote:
Hello again, folks -
A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I
could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all
the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks
coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the
way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of
bigger drives for data later.
The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it
up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a
PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board
to get for this setup?
Thanks again!
Mark
19 Jan
19 Jan
12:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
Greetings:
I've had some interesting experience with video cards lately. My
GigaByte mobo does have integrated video (nVidia) but for some reason it
didn't work with either nVidia's proprietary driver or the kernel nv
module. It worked in Vesa mode, but that kinda sucked so I ordered a
PCIe card with an nVidia 7300 chipset. The card was fine at first, but
after a week or so it started delivering a constantly shaky display. I
sent it back to Newegg, but I needed something right away so I purchased
a PNY 7300GS-based card from Staples. This card was fine too, and it's
still in the machine. However, I quickly realized that its fan noise was
unacceptable, and I'm now awaiting my third card for this machine, a
fanless GigaByte 7600GS card.
Be forewarned, the noise from video card fans can be intense. You can
choose to replace the stock fan, but it's a non-trivial procedure. Me,
I'm done mucking around with hardware at that level.
Fortunately I can put one of my extra cards to work in another machine,
one that doesn't need to be so quiet. The other one can wait in a pile
in the corner along with other stuff slowly shaping itself into yet
another machine. :)
Best,
dp
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500, mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org wrote:
Hello again, folks -
A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I
could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all
the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks
coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the
way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of
bigger drives for data later.
The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it
up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a
PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board
to get for this setup?
"Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless
(silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very
happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card.
With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than
sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-)
But it seems to be discontinued already, or at least newegg no longer
has them.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
6:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
Paul -
Thanks for the info. By best, I mean a card that is going to install
in linux with the least trouble, be quiet, and give me enough
resolution to do audio work. I don't need screaming 3-D.
Later -
Mark
Quoting Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com>om>:
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500,
mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org wrote:
Hello again, folks -
A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I
could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all
the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks
coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the
way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of
bigger drives for data later.
The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it
up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a
PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board
to get for this setup?
"Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless
(silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very
happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card.
With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than
sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-)
But it seems to be discontinued already, or at least newegg no longer
has them.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
7:51 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:19:34PM -0500, mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org wrote:
Paul -
Thanks for the info. By best, I mean a card that is going to install
in linux with the least trouble, be quiet, and give me enough
resolution to do audio work. I don't need screaming 3-D.
My experience is that the best user experience comes from using ATI
cards with the free drivers. Not as fast as using proprietary drivers
on ATI or Nvidia, but much stabler and simpler (it just works with no
fiddling). Thus, for many tasks I'd be tempted to go with the Radeon
x700, as the last ATI card currently supported with free drivers.
I'm interested in trying the new 965G graphics, but that is only a on
the motherboard option, so it doesn't apply to you, and for general use
the x700 will probably work better at the moment (but that might change
in a few months, when the new intel drivers are included by default).
Plus, I don't see very many 965G motherboards with DVI output.
8:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
On 1/15/07, Joshua Boyd <jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net> wrote:
I'm interested in trying the new 965G graphics, but that is only a on
the motherboard option, so it doesn't apply to you, and for general use
the x700 will probably work better at the moment (but that might change
in a few months, when the new intel drivers are included by default).
Plus, I don't see very many 965G motherboards with DVI output.
DVI is available as an addon for the 965G boards:
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html
---
You can purchase (for around $20) an 'sDVO' card which plugs into the PCI-E
slot and offers DVI support in various flavors. This is just an adapter
board which connects the onboard graphics chip with a DVI connector using
the sDVO portion of the PCI-E standard; it's not an external graphics
adapter. You are right though, Intel doesn't offer a stand-alone PCI-E
graphics adapter.
---
Have fun,
Steve
6:37 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500,
mark(a)ehle.homelinux.org wrote:
You can still get 4000-based boards that are fanless and fairly cheap.
Same with 5200-based.
--
brad fuller
http://www.Sonaural.com/
+1 (408) 799-6124
Hello again, folks -
A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I
could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all
the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks
coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the
way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of
bigger drives for data later.
The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it
up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a
PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board
to get for this setup?
"Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless
(silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very
happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card.
With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than
sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-)
16 Jan
16 Jan
9:54 a.m.
I had absolutely no problem!
The compilation went smoothly, and I got the inputs working. It took
a couple of minutes to figure out the cause of feedback (in the
"Capture" screen of the alsamixer, the PCM slider has to be all the
way down, otherwise the output feeds back to the input, did you notice
that?).
I do get some xruns but I will try better luck with a newer kernel.
Another problem is that it shares IRQ with my video card and usb1...
ut I am not done with trying different usage scenarios.
Thank for the driver, though.
./MiS
njcross <njcross(a)sbcglobal.net> writes:
On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Michal Seta wrote:
Sorry to reply to my own message.
I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such
support was added so I am compiling now...
Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I
still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of
deps - is there an easier way?
22 Jan
22 Jan
12:18 p.m.
njcross <njcross(a)sbcglobal.net> writes:
Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for
the Audigy2 ZS, which I
still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of
deps - is there an easier way?
hmm.. I think I did not follow up on this... I haven't really
investigated an easier way because sometimes I get trigger-happy when
I want something and the only way to get is to compile it on my own
(and sometimes breaking dependiencies does not cross my mind until I
have actually done so).
So, after a little fiddling, and a new kernel I am still having issues
with the Audigy2 ZS. Now, come to think of it, perhaps it is due to
the fact that all apps were compiled with an older version of ALSA.
First off, running with jack I get a lot of
delay of 5721.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5713.000;
restart ..
type of messages. There are very few actual xruns, mostly when
starting or stopping an app but I get thousands of these messages.
The audio sounds fine, though, except for the occasional xrun, and
even then, sometiumes it goes by unnoticed. On some occasions,
however, a "distortion" slowly fades in and then it disappears (after
a few seconds, sometimes switching desktops or minimizing a window
stops it right away).
I haven't really have the time to investigate thouroughly as I am in
the middle of preparations for a show (besides my dayjob) so I can
report what I have stumbled upon up until now.
I think I've done all the real-time improving steps.
current kernel:
Linux potegowa 2.6.18-rt7 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 20 14:03:41 EST 2007 i686
GNU/Linux
I figured that it was due to interrupts... In my first PCMCIA slot,
the Audigy shares the interrupt with the radeon card (IRQ 4), in the
second slot it get IRQ 5. I don't seem to be ble to change the IRQ
ordering/numbering. After having fiddled with the BIOS some things
got reassigned but the Audigy always shares IRQ 4 with radeon or IRQ 5
with yenta, which I understand is the PCMCIA hardware itself.
cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0
0: 2030171 XT-PIC [........N/ 0]-level timer
1: 7792 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level i8042
2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0]-level cascade
4: 783804 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level uhci_hcd:usb2, yenta, eth0,
radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0
5: 315306 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level yenta, Intel 82801DB-ICH4,
EMU10K1
6: 5 XT-PIC [........./ 1]-level floppy
7: 4 XT-PIC [..P....../ 0]-level parport0
8: 3 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level rtc
9: 19219 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level acpi, uhci_hcd:usb4, eth1
10: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level uhci_hcd:usb3
11: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ehci_hcd:usb1
12: 59816 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level i8042
14: 64779 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ide0
15: 225241 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ide1
NMI: 0
LOC: 0
ERR: 0
MIS: 0
I tried raising the IRQ 5 priority (and jack, too) but I get no real
improvement.
This is ubuntu Dapper, running on an IBM ThinkPad T40.
I welcome any other ideas...
Thanks.
./MiS
25 Jan
25 Jan
1:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook support
Hi,
once again I am replying to my own post... Not much progress but I
wanted to report on a couple of issues. I am thinking now that I
should probably be writing to either ALSA developers list or LAD...
If this is the case, somebody, please let me know and I will subscribe
and forward and all that...
Michal Seta <mis(a)artengine.ca> writes:
First off, running with jack I get a lot of
delay of 5721.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5713.000;
restart ..
This still holds true. But:
type of messages. There are very few actual xruns,
mostly when
starting or stopping an app but I get thousands of these messages.
On some occasions,
however, a "distortion" slowly fades in and then it disappears (after
a few seconds, sometimes switching desktops or minimizing a window
stops it right away).
There are still very few xruns but they all behave as described,
i.e. very slowly fading in (what I understand as missed sync) and
they're preceded by thousands (even tens of thousands) of the "delay
of xxxx usecs exceeds estimated spare time ....."
Linux potegowa 2.6.18-rt7 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 20
14:03:41 EST 2007 i686
GNU/Linux
I tried raising the IRQ 5 priority (and jack, too) but I get no real
improvement.
I think I've done all the IRQ tweaking I could lay my hands on...
The thing is, that my builtin audio Intel 82801DB-ICH4, which shares
the IRQ with the Audigy2 ZS runs rock solid. I can't really use it
because 1) it's rather noisy and 2) does not properly support line in
and the mic in is noisy and mono (either the same thing on both
channels or, when switched to stereo, only one channel). So, this
discovery leads me to believe that the support for my audigy 2 ZS
notebook card in the emu10k1 driver is buggy. Right?
I had a quick look at the changes in alsa 1.0.14rc2 and all it lists
for my driver is emu10k1: Update registers defines for the Audigy
2/emu10k2.5. I don't suppose this will help me in any significant
way?
Now, another thing is that all the above tests were done with jack
version 0.100.0.
Most also done with Pd (but also other jack apps). Pd refuses to run
with this card in ALSA mode but with OSS I can go for hours without a
glitch! For the puposes of tonight's show it is ok and that's how I
intend to run Pd but I would really like to get this card working
well.
This is ubuntu Dapper, running on an IBM ThinkPad
T40.
I welcome any other ideas...
Thanks.
./MiS
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