6 Oct
2010
6 Oct
'10
4:05 p.m.
Just updated my debian squeeze based DAW and noticed audacity was
amongst the updates. This once more works with jack - it hadn't for the
last two or three updates.
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http://www.musically.me.uk
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
6 Oct
6 Oct
10:14 p.m.
Hi Will,
Just curious, do you build all your audio stuff (from the kernel
through to ardour) from source?
I used to do that using debian to provide the base system, and X, and
to provide the dependencies (where the packages were recent enough)
required to build all my favourite audio software.
I'm just wondering if it's getting any easier these days, ie, is there
still much work to do, and is updating still a nightmare? (I used to
sometimes find I was better off doing a new install).
Cheers,
James
On 6 October 2010 17:05, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
Just updated my debian squeeze based DAW and noticed
audacity was
amongst the updates. This once more works with jack - it hadn't for the
last two or three updates.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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10:52 p.m.
On 10/07/10 00:14, James Morris wrote:
Hi Will,
Hi James,
I'm not Will, but also curious.
Just curious, do you build all your audio stuff (from
the kernel
through to ardour) from source?
I used to do that using debian to provide the base system, and X, and
to provide the dependencies (where the packages were recent enough)
required to build all my favourite audio software.
Why not use gentoo, then?
Compiling a customized (real-time patched) kernel makes sense, but
ardour and friends are available from Debian.
I'm just wondering if it's getting any easier
these days, ie, is there
still much work to do, and is updating still a nightmare? (I used to
sometimes find I was better off doing a new install).
Nightmare? quite the opposite. I've migrated the same Debian system over
4 laptops in the last ~7 years without re-installing. If you roll Debian
packages for custom compiled software (or use backports) it's a piece of
cake.
With apt-pinning it's possible to run a mixed system
stable/testing/unstable and aptitude's dependency resolver just rocks.
I only use 'stable' for servers though and stick to "A constantly usable
testing distribution for Debian" ( http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ ) for
A/V Desk/Mac/Lap-tops.
2c,
robin
Cheers,
James
On 6 October 2010 17:05, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
> Just updated my debian squeeze based DAW and noticed audacity was
> amongst the updates. This once more works with jack - it hadn't for the
> last two or three updates.
>
> --
> Will J Godfrey
> http://www.musically.me.uk
> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
7 Oct
7 Oct
2:34 p.m.
On 6 October 2010 23:52, Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
That's something I never looked into. I hear a similar thing can be
done in Gentoo...
On 10/07/10 00:14, James Morris wrote:
Ah yes, well, um, I have been since around February this year...
forgot to mention it.
Hi Will,
Hi James,
I'm not Will, but also curious.
Just curious, do you build all your audio stuff
(from the kernel
through to ardour) from source?
I used to do that using debian to provide the base system, and X, and
to provide the dependencies (where the packages were recent enough)
required to build all my favourite audio software.
Why not use gentoo, then? Compiling a customized (real-time patched) kernel
makes sense, but
ardour and friends are available from Debian.
But how up to date are they, I like to get the latest tarballs (and
sometimes SVN) as soon as I notice them.
There has been a few times in the past when after performing an update
(I always use aptitude - I press u for update and the + on updated
packages section to mark them for install, and then g to download and
install).
I'm just
wondering if it's getting any easier these days, ie, is there
still much work to do, and is updating still a nightmare? (I used to
sometimes find I was better off doing a new install).
Nightmare? quite the opposite. I've migrated the same Debian system over
4 laptops in the last ~7 years without re-installing. If you roll Debian
packages for custom compiled software (or use backports) it's a piece of
cake. With apt-pinning it's possible to run a mixed
system
stable/testing/unstable and aptitude's dependency resolver just rocks.
I only use 'stable' for servers though and stick to "A constantly usable
testing distribution for Debian" ( http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ ) for
A/V Desk/Mac/Lap-tops.
I have never heard of apt-pinning before, it looks a bit dangerous
http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
Cheers,
James.
2c,
robin
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Cheers,
James
On 6 October 2010 17:05, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
> Just updated my debian squeeze based DAW and noticed audacity was
> amongst the updates. This once more works with jack - it hadn't for the
> last two or three updates.
>
> --
> Will J Godfrey
> http://www.musically.me.uk
> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
3:59 p.m.
On 10/07/10 16:34, James Morris wrote:
The debian-mm team (Free, Adrian, Alessio, et al) are doing an amazing
job. Usually 10-20 days behind upstream. The 10 days is the minimum
time for a package to enter Debian/testing.
For example: ardour is latest 2.8.11-3; qtractor in debian/testing is
2.4.6-2 but debian/unstable already offers 2.4.7 (since Monday).
If you want bleeding-edge SVN - fine; but for a reliable studio i will
recommend against it: It's in fact often easier to get it wrong by
missing an
./configure --enable-tricky-optimizations
option or sth. besides not all software supports proper un-installation.
Although you should be fine with the gentoo pro-audio-overlay.
I build quite a a lot of SW from source: either for testing or for
contributing to development on it. For some projects it works to simply
copy the official 'debian/' folder into the SVN or git checkout and do a
backport this way.
However for serious work I [almost] always use the officially packaged
version.
That's something I never looked into. I hear a similar thing can be
done in Gentoo...
I don't doubt it.
As with most things on GNU/Linux; it's a bit of a steep learning curve
in the beginning but pays off quickly after that.
I can't help you with Gentoo. On Debian it can be as easy as running
dh_make - or just copy & edit some examples. After you did it once it's
a < 5 min task but well worth it.
Once /usr/bin , /usr/lib , etc is cluttered it's very hard to clean it
up again and a new install is often faster.
It's a nice introduction and walk-though, isn't it?
Dangerous? Which part of it?
I can assure you: it won't blow up or hurt you or your system in any way
- Just beware of locusts: http://xkcd.org/797/ :)
Cheers!
robin
Compiling a
customized (real-time patched) kernel makes sense, but
ardour and friends are available from Debian.
But how up to date are they, I like to get the latest tarballs (and
sometimes SVN) as soon as I notice them. There has been a few times in the past when after
performing an update
(I always use aptitude - I press u for update and the + on updated
packages section to mark them for install, and then g to download and
install).
my usual workflow: `sudo aptitude`
u (update) U (mark upgradable)
(in case of dependency issues:) e < > r a ! (the "Resolver" menu)
(press <Enter> on a package or cycle windows with <TAB> & scroll down to
select individual versions for each package)
g (go and install)
I'm just wondering if it's getting any easier
these days, ie, is there
still much work to do, and is updating still a nightmare? (I used to
sometimes find I was better off doing a new install).
Nightmare? quite the opposite. I've migrated the same Debian system over
4 laptops in the last ~7 years without re-installing. If you roll Debian
packages for custom compiled software (or use backports) it's a piece of
cake. With
apt-pinning it's possible to run a mixed system
stable/testing/unstable and aptitude's dependency resolver just rocks.
I only use 'stable' for servers though and stick to "A constantly usable
testing distribution for Debian" ( http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ ) for
A/V Desk/Mac/Lap-tops.
I have never heard of apt-pinning before, it looks a bit dangerous
http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
12 Oct
12 Oct
8:09 p.m.
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:14:42 +0100
James Morris <jwm.art.net(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Will,
Just curious, do you build all your audio stuff (from the kernel
through to ardour) from source?
No, mostly I use the debs.
I start with the minimal version of squeeze (no desktop even) then using
apt-get pull in X, openbox and ROX filer. From there I get startx setup to
initiate an openbox session, and build my desktop and required apps from there.
Currently I cheat and pull in the kernel from 64studio 3.3 alpha because I
find building an RT kernel too confusing and time consuming.
There are two apps in particular that I do compile form source. One is
Rosegarden and the other is Yoshimi. These are the heart of my work.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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