17 May
2011
17 May
'11
12:02 a.m.
On 16 May 2011 03:17, Lorenzo Sutton <lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
Good question. I've noticed for some application that compiling with
jack1 and then running with jack2 works fine. But I guess it's more of a
jack-dev question
can anyone answer this? given that linuxsampler relies on jack1, is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
alternatively, are there any wrappers which allow jack1 applications
to use jack2?
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One important point for me was to have jack1 packages
not jack2. The
latter wouldn't be picked up by the ./configure script and in turn there
would be no jack.
hmm, that's kind of important for me. is there a jack1 compatibility
wrapper or similar? 
17 May
17 May
1:14 a.m.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
can anyone answer this? given that linuxsampler relies
on jack1, is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
linuxsampler does NOT rely on jack1.
it may have an error/weakness in its build scripts but that is not the
same thing at all.
alternatively, are there any wrappers which allow
jack1 applications
to use jack2?
there are no known applications that have a dependency on any
implementation of JACK.
4:46 a.m.
On 17 May 2011 11:14, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
excellent.
i see, thanks. my knowledge of jack is weaker than i thought
--
robin
http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic
human rights in NZ
can anyone
answer this? given that linuxsampler relies on jack1, is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
linuxsampler does NOT rely on jack1. it may have an error/weakness in its build scripts but
that is not the
same thing at all.
ok - how/where would i submit a bug report?
alternatively,
are there any wrappers which allow jack1 applications
to use jack2?
there are no known applications that have a dependency on any
implementation of JACK. 
10:22 a.m.
New subject: linuxsampler with jack2 (was Re: linuxsampler on 64 bit Ubuntu)
Robin Paulson wrote:
On 16 May 2011 03:17, Lorenzo Sutton
<lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
Good question. I've noticed for some application that
compiling with
jack1 and then running with jack2 works fine. But I guess it's more of a
jack-dev question
can anyone answer this? given that linuxsampler relies on jack1, is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
alternatively, are there any wrappers which allow jack1 applications
to use jack2?
Hmmm, I use JACK2 and haven't met any JACK1 apps that didn't work with
it, but I don't really do a lot of JACK apps if your talking about
things like JACK Rack, etc. And I don't have linuxsampler around. I
thought one of the folk on the list used linuxsampler with JACK for
their live sound?
--
David
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One important point for me was to have jack1 packages
not jack2. The
latter wouldn't be picked up by the ./configure script and in turn there
would be no jack.
hmm, that's kind of important for me. is there a jack1
compatibility
wrapper or similar? 
11:38 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:22 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Robin Paulson wrote:
Hmmm, I use JACK2 and haven't met any JACK1 apps that didn't work with it,
but I don't really do a lot of JACK apps if your talking about things like
JACK Rack, etc. And I don't have linuxsampler around. I thought one of the
folk on the list used linuxsampler with JACK for their live sound?
--
Linuxsampler-cvs built against jack2 on Archlinux builds and runs
without problems here. Not sure that helps anyone else's problems
though...
-m
25 May
25 May
10:22 a.m.
New subject: linuxsampler with jack2 (was Re: linuxsampler on 64 bit Ubuntu)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:22:47PM -1000, david wrote:
Robin Paulson wrote:
That was me, probably among others as well.
I replaced a Fluidsynth soundfont with a LinuxSampler one, and used it live for about 5
months. Worked great.
However, I used jack1. It should work fine with jack2.
The problem, AFAICT, is a Debian dependency cock-up. To build JACK apps, you need to have
jackd-dev package installed to get the headers, etc. Well. jackd1-dev is probably
(guessing here from a decade of Debian experience) dependent upon jack1. All good so far.
Now, you install jack2. And you can't have jack2 and jack1 installed on the same
machine. Great. So, now what? In order to install jack2, you have to remove jack1, which
apt-get or aptitiude or whatever does for you. But, when you remove jack1, because
jack1-dev is dependent upon jack1, then jack1-dev gets removed. And there apparently is no
jack2-dev package. So, Bob's yer uncle, you now have no more header files! So you try
to build JACK apps and the builds fail.
I don't know what the proper solution would be because I'm not a Debian maintainer
and I don't know what the standards are these days. I'd guess that there should
either be a jack2-dev package, or there should be a jack-dev package that requires EITHER
jack1 OR jack2, so that switching from one to the other doesn't wipe otu the dev
package. Or maybe there needs to be some kind of meta-package in the middle, as there is
occasionally.
The place to file the bug, IMHO, is with the maintainer of the jack1-dev, jack1, and jack2
packages!
-ken
On 16 May 2011 03:17, Lorenzo Sutton
<lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
can anyone answer this? given that linuxsampler relies on jack1, is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
alternatively, are there any wrappers which allow jack1 applications
to use jack2?
Hmmm, I use JACK2 and haven't met any JACK1 apps that didn't work with
it, but I don't really do a lot of JACK apps if your talking about
things like JACK Rack, etc. And I don't have linuxsampler around. I
thought one of the folk on the list used linuxsampler with JACK for
their live sound?
> One
important point for me was to have jack1 packages not jack2. The
> latter wouldn't be picked up by the ./configure script and in turn there
> would be no jack.
hmm, that's kind of important for me. is there a jack1 compatibility
wrapper or similar?
Good question. I've noticed for some application that
compiling with
jack1 and then running with jack2 works fine. But I guess it's more of a
jack-dev question 
10:38 a.m.
New subject: linuxsampler with jack2 (was Re: linuxsampler on 64 bit Ubuntu)
On 25/05/11 16:22, Ken Restivo wrote:
The problem, AFAICT, is a Debian dependency cock-up.
To build JACK apps, you
need to have jackd-dev package installed to get the headers, etc. Well.
jackd1-dev is probably (guessing here from a decade of Debian experience)
dependent upon jack1. All good so far.
You could ask on
pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org
how old is your installation? a lot changed with jack2 being introduced, and it
seemed that the dependencies were carefully set up so that it was possible to
switch between both .. certainly they would consider it a bug if you can't, and
one they should be able to fix quickly if it is in one of their packages.
There was much discussion at the time, ensuring packages did not depend on one
or the other, but on common packages.
Simon
10:43 a.m.
New subject: linuxsampler with jack2 (was Re: linuxsampler on 64 bit Ubuntu)
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:22:47PM -1000, david
wrote:
Yah. I had JACK1 here, removed it, installed JACK2. Didn't have any
problems compiling Yoshimi here with JACK support.
I don't find any jack-dev or jack2-dev package on my system. There IS a
package called libjack-dev with the same version number as the JACK
package. It says that it contains "files needed for the development of
JACK applications and an API reference." So I think you need libjack-dev
to compile audio apps that depend on JACK when you have JACK2 installed.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Robin Paulson wrote:
That was me, probably among others as well.
I replaced a Fluidsynth soundfont with a LinuxSampler one, and used it live for about 5
months. Worked great.
However, I used jack1. It should work fine with jack2.
The problem, AFAICT, is a Debian dependency cock-up. To build JACK apps, you need to have
jackd-dev package installed to get the headers, etc. Well. jackd1-dev is probably
(guessing here from a decade of Debian experience) dependent upon jack1. All good so far.
Now, you install jack2. And you can't have jack2 and jack1 installed on the same
machine. Great. So, now what? In order to install jack2, you have to remove jack1, which
apt-get or aptitiude or whatever does for you. But, when you remove jack1, because
jack1-dev is dependent upon jack1, then jack1-dev gets removed. And there apparently is no
jack2-dev package. So, Bob's yer uncle, you now have no more header files! So you try
to build JACK apps and the builds fail.
I don't know what the proper solution would be because I'm not a Debian
maintainer and I don't know what the standards are these days. I'd guess that
there should either be a jack2-dev package, or there should be a jack-dev package that
requires EITHER jack1 OR jack2, so that switching from one to the other doesn't wipe
otu the dev package. Or maybe there needs to be some kind of meta-package in the middle,
as there is occasionally.
The place to file the bug, IMHO, is with the maintainer of the jack1-dev, jack1, and
jack2 packages! On 16 May 2011 03:17, Lorenzo Sutton
<lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
Hmmm, I use JACK2 and haven't met any JACK1 apps that didn't
work with
it, but I don't really do a lot of JACK apps if your talking about
things like JACK Rack, etc. And I don't have linuxsampler around. I
thought one of the folk on the list used linuxsampler with JACK for
their live sound?
>> One important point for me was to have
jack1 packages not jack2. The
>> latter wouldn't be picked up by the ./configure script and in turn there
>> would be no jack.
> hmm, that's kind of important for me. is there a jack1 compatibility
> wrapper or similar?
Good question. I've noticed for some application that compiling with
jack1 and then running with jack2 works fine. But I guess it's more of a
jack-dev question
can anyone answer this? given that linuxsampler relies on jack1,
is it
able to use jack2? is it only a matter of forcing the dependencies? or
does ls need to be changed at the code level?
alternatively, are there any wrappers which allow jack1 applications
to use jack2?
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