7 Jan
2013
7 Jan
'13
11:02 a.m.
Hi,
GIT repo:
https://github.com/fps/ladspamm
DOXYGEN docs (very minimal):
http://fps.github.com/ladspamm
For my own small side projects I needed a little c++ wrapper lib around
LADSPA plugins. Since someone else might be interested in it, too, I put
it on github.
ladspamm::world world;
ladspamm::plugin_instance instance(
world.libraries[0]->plugins[0], 48000
);
instance.activate();
instantiates and activates the first found plugin in the first found
library..
This is version 0.0.1 so expect bugs and missing features..
Have fun,
Flo
--
Florian Paul Schmidt
http://fps.io
7 Jan
7 Jan
12:05 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated don´t you think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the millennium
plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything it does,
compared to closed-source variants.
This is a track mastered with my plugins, ultra-loud, good-sounding,
minimal-phase gaussian EQ. etc etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-0bxL9mZdY
More information on these can be found on my blog. -
www.paradoxuncreated.com
What I think Linux audio needs is to combine efforts for professional
and regular users.
There seems to be little combined direction in linux audio. There are
several standards, and nobody really seems to care much for them. And
audiodrivers seem to vary in quality, and you can get better results
with alternatives less used.
What should be done is, rethink the whole audio signal path/stack with
regards to the lowest possible latency. Audio is one of the places, one
really cares about low latency. While latency on the linux kernel now,
is good enough for most uses, the audio needs rethinking. I tried a
brand-new USB Fireface UCX, in classcompliant mode, and it did not work
at first, needed a patch, and then only got 5ms latency. And I have run
0.33 ms with a firewire card. Looking at this from a high-level
perspective it seems to be a software problem. On windows, it works
without a problem, and with 1ms latency, with the firewire drivers.
Linux audio really needs to be as good. And knowing MS engineering, it
can easily be better.
What about a professional mixer, used system wide, where you can apply
effects, eq, routing etc. Windows does not have this. And a good plugin
standard (atleast 64bit float). And the mixer should ofcourse be good
enough, so that people can simply use it in their DAW software.
Everybody working and refining this element, should improve any DAW.
And things need to be quick and easy to use. No uneccesary mouseclicks.
Look at Logic audio, maybe 5.5.1 on windows, it can be very fast to use.
Later versions on mac are also good, but to be honest, a bit bloated for
my tastes, and they also reduced the control rate on some stuff there,
which I did not like at all.
And what about trying to establish a universal soundplayback engine,
with atleast sampleaccurate timing.
Making a os-level mixer and sequencer, with the features expected by
professional, but that also scales to normal users, with a
"soundblaster" would be the optimal.
And I have already done world-class DSP plugins, so that you don´t even
have to worry about.
So summing it up, a world-class mixing and sequencer stack, with
low-latency interfacing, (think 0.2ms should be doable = virtual
hardware), with the least obscure code and codepaths. And make it easy
for anyone to get into making plugins. No obscurities.
Peace Be With You.
12:27 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:05:55PM +0100, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated don´t you
think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the
millennium plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything
it does, compared to closed-source variants.
Why do you think LADSPA is outdated, and what do you use instead?
The whole reason I stopped developing the nekosynth plugins was because of the ungodly
mess that is LV2. VST is out, because I'm not interested in proprietary software.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
1:23 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
On 1/7/2013 12:27 PM, gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:05:55PM +0100, Ove Karlsen
wrote:
I am using windows and vst at the moment. I need to do work in a
professional environment, and linux is not there yet.
Peace Be With You.
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated
don´t you think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the
millennium plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything
it does, compared to closed-source variants.
Why do you think LADSPA is outdated,
and what do you use instead?
The whole reason I stopped developing the nekosynth plugins was because of the ungodly
mess that is LV2. VST is out, because I'm not interested in proprietary software.
1:57 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t understand.
Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or harsh etc.
Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got nothing to do
with digital. It has something to do with the engineers making the
algorithms.
When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was making a
TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do first. I talked to the
people on #musicdsp, and they had little clue, some had tried and said
it was difficult or impossible, some say they had succeded but their
filters didn´t sound too good.
On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years old, I did
a resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked. Some engineers in the
KvR forum, said it was a bad thing to do, because their job now got so
much more difficult.
When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is typical for
those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the algorithm. They don´t
understand what is going on. Instead very unecesary high-level theorems,
they try to fit into what is simple analog feedback paths.
One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many years,
and they did not come up with anything good.
They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for instance,
why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it cannot completely
be done in digial.
All this is just crazy trash.
Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and realized
there was just four feedback-paths with one negative feedback-path
around. It is as simple as that. That is all "analog vintage"
synth-filters. There is absolutely no obscurity going on, it is as
simple as it can be.
Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that components are a
bit inaccurate, and there is often some highpassing going on, due to the
frequency-response of the components, you can model that, VERY SIMPLY,
and without much cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR uses extreme
cpu, and even sounds bad.
Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that digital can
sound just as good as analog, and without the inaccuracies. And analog
often has characteristics you DON´T want. So it is even better.
Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please google it.
Since this licence allows for functions alone, to be released as
opensource you can make it a function, and use it alongside whatever
else you use.
//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for emulating the
analog-charateristic of more saturation in the low-freq. (due to
saturated buffers)
b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);
int i_cnt = 0;
while (i_cnt < b_os) {
double b_rez = ((b_aflt4 - b_insh) * (b_filres)); //
removes attenuation by rez, and makes a smoother rez thru clip.
if (b_rez > 1) {b_rez = 1;} else if (b_rez < -1) {b_rez =
-1;} // clip res, for analogstyle resonance.
// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a
little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A bit
similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.
if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass ("ladder")
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no attenuation with rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback for resonance.
b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v > 1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v < -1) {b_v = -1;} // clip
//sat/soften clip.
double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested at the
time, this is a filter from my synth "Abdullah", and work in progress.
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
if (b_v < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_v = b_vr;
b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
b_v = b_v / b_off2;
// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a
little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A bit
similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.
b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
b_v = b_aflt4;
b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass to
emulate analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.
b_v = b_v - b_hp;
b_aflt5 = b_v;
}
That is the ultimate "analog" filter, completely digital, and without
inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.
Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is the real
deal.
And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything of that
either.
And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of "least
obscurity". So it would be natural for this to develop and etablish
itself on Linux. I was a "hacker" in my teens, and I guess many who have
been into hacking, and brilliant programming, really celebrates God, and
ofcourse comes to the same idea of least obcurity, which is also very
much like (non-idolaterous) religion.
Instead ofcourse KvR bans the brilliant, who even talks about a
peacebringing religion, and peaceful meditation, according to Gods
praises, and the highest of intelligence, infinite human unfolding and
rights, if you wish. And that is the incoherent idolater/faithless.
Peace Be With You.
2:01 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t
understand.
Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or harsh etc.
Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got nothing to
do with digital. It has something to do with the engineers making the
algorithms.
When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was making a
TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do first. I talked to the
people on #musicdsp, and they had little clue, some had tried and said
it was difficult or impossible, some say they had succeded but their
filters didn´t sound too good.
On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years old, I
did a resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked. Some engineers in
the KvR forum, said it was a bad thing to do, because their job now
got so much more difficult.
When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is typical for
those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the algorithm. They
don´t understand what is going on. Instead very unecesary high-level
theorems, they try to fit into what is simple analog feedback paths.
One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many years,
and they did not come up with anything good.
They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for
instance, why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it cannot
completely be done in digial.
All this is just crazy trash.
Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and realized
there was just four feedback-paths with one negative feedback-path
around. It is as simple as that. That is all "analog vintage"
synth-filters. There is absolutely no obscurity going on, it is as
simple as it can be.
Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that components are a
bit inaccurate, and there is often some highpassing going on, due to
the frequency-response of the components, you can model that, VERY
SIMPLY, and without much cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR
uses extreme cpu, and even sounds bad.
Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that digital can
sound just as good as analog, and without the inaccuracies. And analog
often has characteristics you DON´T want. So it is even better.
Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please google it.
Since this licence allows for functions alone, to be released as
opensource you can make it a function, and use it alongside whatever
else you use.
//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for emulating the
analog-charateristic of more saturation in the low-freq. (due to
saturated buffers)
b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);
// there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the paste.
if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass
("ladder")
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no attenuation with
rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback for
resonance.
b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v > 1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v < -1) {b_v = -1;} //
clip
//sat/soften clip.
double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested at the
time, this is a filter from my synth "Abdullah", and work in progress.
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
if (b_v < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_v = b_vr;
b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
b_v = b_v / b_off2;
// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a
little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A
bit similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.
b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
b_v = b_aflt4;
b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass to
emulate analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.
b_v = b_v - b_hp;
b_aflt5 = b_v;
}
That is the ultimate "analog" filter, completely digital, and without
inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.
Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is the
real deal.
And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything of that
either.
And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of "least
obscurity". So it would be natural for this to develop and etablish
itself on Linux. I was a "hacker" in my teens, and I guess many who
have been into hacking, and brilliant programming, really celebrates
God, and ofcourse comes to the same idea of least obcurity, which is
also very much like (non-idolaterous) religion.
Instead ofcourse KvR bans the brilliant, who even talks about a
peacebringing religion, and peaceful meditation, according to Gods
praises, and the highest of intelligence, infinite human unfolding and
rights, if you wish. And that is the incoherent idolater/faithless.
Peace Be With You.
2:20 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
Peace Be With You.
4:28 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 14:20 +0100, Ove Karlsen wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
This "license" is incredibly ambiguous and inadequate, so much so that
calling it "open source" is a bit of a stretch.
If you want to actually have your code be useful to people, use an
existing established (e.g. OSI/FSF certified) license so that people can
actually use it in projects without worry. Vanity licenses are just a
pain for everybody; using them is the opposite of beneficent.
Copyright licenses are not the place for statements of intent,
hand-wavey language, and appeals "common sense". Put that stuff
elsewhere and use a license that actually does the job of a licence.
-dr
4:33 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 1/7/2013 4:28 PM, David Robillard wrote:
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 14:20 +0100, Ove Karlsen wrote:
I think you are incredibly retarded, and like R.S. sits in code all day,
and doesn´t understand that the world has moved on, and things can be
expressed in very simple terms, and believers around the world will
fully comprehend.
We don´t need your obscurity. And when people understand religion, and
that they have been fed lies about Islam, and that is ultimately
supports their own nature, to infinite extent, and indeed represents
freedom, in ways incomprehensible to fools like
R.S. who plays thought-police, and wants his obscure slogans and FSF
foundation, to obscure the progress and natural development of man, and
that includes open-source, you and your like will be gone, like all
retarded idolaterous society of all times.
A relic like pharao is what you are. And your code just as obscure.
Peace Be With You.
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
This "license" is
incredibly ambiguous and inadequate, so much so that
calling it "open source" is a bit of a stretch.
If you want to actually have your code be useful to people, use an
existing established (e.g. OSI/FSF certified) license so that people can
actually use it in projects without worry. Vanity licenses are just a
pain for everybody; using them is the opposite of beneficent.
Copyright licenses are not the place for statements of intent,
hand-wavey language, and appeals "common sense". Put that stuff
elsewhere and use a license that actually does the job of a licence.
-dr
4:38 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his path. Better
stick with the GPL.
Nils
4:41 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself.
That is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts
in your head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets
away you. GTC is your friend.
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his path. Better
stick with the GPL.
Nils _______________________________________________
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4:45 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:41:34 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
And btw, the gay toilets away you.
I think that means "await".
If you intended to offend me maybe you should not have picked something to say which is
not offensive at all.
4:46 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net
On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.**com<ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so
you can't base a license his
path. Better stick with the GPL.
Nils
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. That
is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in your
head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away you.
GTC is your friend.
http://paradoxuncreated.com/**Blog/wordpress/?p=6198<http://paradoxuncre…
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
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4:47 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Ban all the gay toilets while you are at it.
-- Paul
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Neil C Smith <neil(a)neilcsmith.net> wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please
ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net
On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. That is
not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in your head,
and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away you. GTC is
your friend.
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his
path. Better stick with the GPL.
Nils
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4:48 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code, and I am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
that resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a
bit. I recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made
jitter-sensitive games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old
hardware. Nobody knew it was possible, and many thought it was
"disk-reads" or other things that happened, and "should be there". I
guess without a good man of God, are you are completely hopeless. And
none of you either has done the DSP I have done. So get back to the
self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal code, who no doubt gays
and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like of.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net
On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who
generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general
idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying
open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a
license his path. Better stick with the GPL.
Nils
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On
Its Own Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that
moved itself. That is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all
the fantasyconcepts in your head, and convince yourself is right.
And btw, the gay toilets away you. GTC is your friend.
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5:21 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
He can't be for real. Come on.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up
some code, and I am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something that
resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a bit. I
recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive
games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things that
happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good man of God, are you
are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I have
done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal
code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like
of.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
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On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so
you can't base a license his
path. Better stick with the GPL.
Nils
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. That
is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in your
head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away you.
GTC is your friend.
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
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5:31 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
OMG this is funny. I suppose I have a guilty pleasure for internet flame
wars.
Keep going, Ove. You're *this close* to topping the (locally legendary)
tirade from a web-developer-turned-academic who insisted Linux was a
defective little cult.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Vytautas Jancauskas <unaudio(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
He can't be for real. Come on.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown
up some code, and I am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something that
resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a bit. I
recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive
games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things that
happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good man of God, are you
are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I have
done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal
code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like
of.
Peace Be With You.
6:05 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Wow I think I can actually feel your anus opening up, and getting ready
for toiletsex.
On 1/7/2013 5:31 PM, Charles Henry wrote:
OMG this is funny. I suppose I have a guilty pleasure
for internet
flame wars.
Keep going, Ove. You're *this close* to topping the (locally
legendary) tirade from a web-developer-turned-academic who insisted
Linux was a defective little cult.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Vytautas Jancauskas
<unaudio(a)gmail.com <mailto:unaudio@gmail.com>> wrote:
He can't be for real. Come on.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code,
and I am going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately
you do something that resembles sanity, and I just just get in
there and tighten it up a bit. I recently did that on the
entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive games like doom
3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things
that happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good
man of God, are you are completely hopeless. And none of you
either has done the DSP I have done. So get back to the
self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal code, who no
doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like of.
Peace Be With You.
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6:29 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 01/07/2013 06:05 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Wow I think I can actually feel your anus opening up,
and getting ready
for toiletsex.
Not only is this off-topic, but language like this is totally
unacceptable on LAD.
Until further notice, emails from you to LAD will need to pass moderation.
Peace Be With You.
5:42 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Tue, January 8, 2013 3:21 am, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote:
He can't be for real. Come on.
That's the problem with too much Acid and Ganjah. They tend to confuse the
neural pathways so what seems like rational thought processes are actually
pretty abstract with large leaps being made.
However it's better than extreme cocaine or crystal meth abuse because
then things just become completely incoherent.
Given the state of the worlds elite leadership I will take confusing
ramblings of an otherwise well intentioned homophobic Acid head (even on
LAD) over the piss poor performance of cocaine and alcohol soaked
politicians any day.
I am a little concerned at his intolerance for sexual preference. Either
he is very badly brainwashed to think that homosexuality makes a person
evil/stupid/inferior or he hasn't realise the immaturity of using such
language as a form of attack.
With his insistence that he is a godly person while also being so
aggressive it seems he has a few issues to work out which could also be
the cause of his obvious substance abuse. However it could be that he is
just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of the
world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
their view of the world.
Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any ideas?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown
up some code, and I am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
that
resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a bit.
I
recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive
games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it
was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things that
happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good man of God, are
you
are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I have
done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal
code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your
like
of.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
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On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
>
> http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
>
> It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally
> understand
> open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
> Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
> releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and
> that
> it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
>
This license is build on a lie.:
to benefit humankind, in the path of God
>
Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license
his
path. Better stick with the GPL.
Nils
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its
Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself.
That
is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in
your
head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away
you.
GTC is your friend.
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5:47 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is
from a part of the
world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
their view of the world.
Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any ideas?
Sounds like my grandma's kitchen.
Now, infidels, could we _please_ get back to less interesting things
like linux audio?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
6:10 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
And yeah don`t forget your FAVORITE, Barrys satan maximizer. So much
distortion that satan is EXTREMELY proud of you. Made in LADSPA, the
happy go-lucky put the same number in code, atleast 10 times. A VARIABLE
IS SIMPLY FORBIDDEN.
6:08 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Even if you write an entire article against drugs, some fuckwit is going
to claim you use them. It suits the quality of thinking that the linux
audio stack and software shows. Go back to retarded copy&paste form
obscure code, celebrate as many buttons and archaicness as possible
ARDOUR. Or some here probably still think trackers are the greatest
thing. Joe Hick: Look at them asciibars flowing up joe. That is some
kind of technology right there.
On 1/7/2013 5:41 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On Tue, January 8, 2013 3:21 am, Vytautas Jancauskas
wrote:
He can't be for real. Come on.
That's the problem with too much Acid and Ganjah. They tend to confuse the
neural pathways so what seems like rational thought processes are actually
pretty abstract with large leaps being made.
However it's better than extreme cocaine or crystal meth abuse because
then things just become completely incoherent.
Given the state of the worlds elite leadership I will take confusing
ramblings of an otherwise well intentioned homophobic Acid head (even on
LAD) over the piss poor performance of cocaine and alcohol soaked
politicians any day.
I am a little concerned at his intolerance for sexual preference. Either
he is very badly brainwashed to think that homosexuality makes a person
evil/stupid/inferior or he hasn't realise the immaturity of using such
language as a form of attack.
With his insistence that he is a godly person while also being so
aggressive it seems he has a few issues to work out which could also be
the cause of his obvious substance abuse. However it could be that he is
just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of the
world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
their view of the world.
Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any ideas?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
--
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Boost Hardware Ltd
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Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown
up some code, and I am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
that
resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a bit.
I
recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive
games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it
was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things that
happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good man of God, are
you
are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I have
done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal
code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your
like
of.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net
On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
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On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
> Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
>
> The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
>> http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
>>
>> It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally
>> understand
>> open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
>> Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
>> releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and
>> that
>> it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
>>
> This license is build on a lie.:
>
> to benefit humankind, in the path of God
> Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license
> his
> path. Better stick with the GPL.
>
> Nils
>
Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its
Own
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself.
That
is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in
your
head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away
you.
GTC is your friend.
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> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
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>
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6:19 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Tue, January 8, 2013 4:08 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Even if you write an entire article against drugs,
some fuckwit is going
to claim you use them.
Seems obvious to me that you are severely affected by prolonged substance
abuse. However if you are sure that it is not substance related then I
suggest you should look at getting a medical card and taking a trip down
to your local green grocer. I'm sure you can find something to mellow you
out there.
It suits the quality of thinking that the linux
audio stack and software shows.
So you don't like Linux Audio? You're going to have a tough time winning
over folks round here if that is your MO.
Go back to retarded copy&paste form
obscure code, celebrate as many buttons and archaicness as possible
ARDOUR. Or some here probably still think trackers are the greatest
thing. Joe Hick: Look at them asciibars flowing up joe. That is some
kind of technology right there.
Once again you make what seems to you to be rational leaps but it ends up
being just confusing.
Are you actually suggesting the Ardour has an archaic interface? By
archaic do you mean that is doesn't incorporate opengl 3d visuals or are
you saying that you don't like the gtk toolkit?
I was going to suggest that you try out Sauerbraten and Red Eclipse if you
want better quality gaming experience than Quake which is IMO outdated
these days. Cube engine is written in SDL and C++. The Sauerbraten
community might suit your agressive nature but it appears that you would
be too incoherent for those guys to put up with (and they can be brutal)
so I'm not sure what would work for you now.
On 1/7/2013 5:41 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
--
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Boost Hardware Ltd
On Tue, January 8, 2013 3:21 am, Vytautas
Jancauskas wrote:
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He can't be for real. Come on.
That's the problem with too much Acid and Ganjah. They tend to confuse
the
neural pathways so what seems like rational thought processes are
actually
pretty abstract with large leaps being made.
However it's better than extreme cocaine or crystal meth abuse because
then things just become completely incoherent.
Given the state of the worlds elite leadership I will take confusing
ramblings of an otherwise well intentioned homophobic Acid head (even
on
LAD) over the piss poor performance of cocaine and alcohol soaked
politicians any day.
I am a little concerned at his intolerance for sexual preference. Either
he is very badly brainwashed to think that homosexuality makes a person
evil/stupid/inferior or he hasn't realise the immaturity of using such
language as a form of attack.
With his insistence that he is a godly person while also being so
aggressive it seems he has a few issues to work out which could also be
the cause of his obvious substance abuse. However it could be that he is
just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of
the
world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
their view of the world.
Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any
ideas?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
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Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown
up some code, and I
am
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
that
resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a
bit.
I
recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made
jitter-sensitive
games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew
it
was
possible, and many thought it was "disk-reads" or other things that
happened, and "should be there". I guess without a good man of God,
are
you
are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I
have
done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your
suboptimal
code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your
like
of.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
For the love of <insert fairy tale deity> please ban obvious troll! ;)
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net
On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, "Ove Karlsen" <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>
wrote:
> On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
>> Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
>>> http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
>>>
>>> It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally
>>> understand
>>> open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
>>> Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
>>> releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and
>>> that
>>> it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.
>>>
>> This license is build on a lie.:
>>
>> to benefit humankind, in the path of God
>> Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license
>> his
>> path. Better stick with the GPL.
>>
>> Nils
>>
> Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its
> Own
> Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself.
> That
> is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in
> your
> head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away
> you.
> GTC is your friend.
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
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6:10 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:41:57AM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Maybe he is from a part of the world where they are
intolerant
towards homosexuals, believe strongly in God and are generally
agressive towards anyone who does not agree with their view of
the world.
Norway apparently. Beyond repair if you ask me, reminds me of
the fanatics portrayed in some Swedish crime novels. Maybe at
some point in his life he has experienced a form of physical
attraction to a male and failed to come to terms with it.
May reason be with you.
--
FA
6:13 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 1/7/2013 6:10 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:41:57AM +1100, Patrick
Shirkey wrote:
Og Fons you are so freaking beautful and your code so magnificent. I
want you on the toilet now. Are you ready?
Maybe he is from a part of the world where they
are intolerant
towards homosexuals, believe strongly in God and are generally
agressive towards anyone who does not agree with their view of
the world.
Norway apparently. Beyond repair if you ask me, reminds me of
the fanatics portrayed in some Swedish crime novels. Maybe at
some point in his life he has experienced a form of physical
attraction to a male and failed to come to terms with it.
May reason be with you.
2:27 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
This is completely off topic but are you mental?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still
don´t understand.
Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or harsh etc.
Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got nothing to do
with digital. It has something to do with the engineers making the
algorithms.
When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was making a
TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do first. I talked to the
people on #musicdsp, and they had little clue, some had tried and said it
was difficult or impossible, some say they had succeded but their filters
didn´t sound too good.
On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years old, I did a
resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked. Some engineers in the KvR
forum, said it was a bad thing to do, because their job now got so much
more difficult.
When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is typical for
those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the algorithm. They don´t
understand what is going on. Instead very unecesary high-level theorems,
they try to fit into what is simple analog feedback paths.
One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many years, and
they did not come up with anything good.
They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for instance,
why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it cannot completely be
done in digial.
All this is just crazy trash.
Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and realized there
was just four feedback-paths with one negative feedback-path around. It is
as simple as that. That is all "analog vintage" synth-filters. There is
absolutely no obscurity going on, it is as simple as it can be.
Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that components are a bit
inaccurate, and there is often some highpassing going on, due to the
frequency-response of the components, you can model that, VERY SIMPLY, and
without much cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR uses extreme cpu,
and even sounds bad.
Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that digital can sound
just as good as analog, and without the inaccuracies. And analog often has
characteristics you DON´T want. So it is even better.
Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please google it.
Since this licence allows for functions alone, to be released as opensource
you can make it a function, and use it alongside whatever else you use.
//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for emulating the
analog-charateristic of more saturation in the low-freq. (due to saturated
buffers)
b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);
// there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the paste.
if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass ("ladder")
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub
= no attenuation with
rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback for
resonance.
b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v > 1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v < -1) {b_v = -1;} // clip
//sat/soften clip.
double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested at the
time, this is a filter from my synth "Abdullah", and work in progress.
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
if (b_v < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_v = b_vr;
b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
b_v = b_v / b_off2;
// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a
little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A bit
similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.
b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
b_v = b_aflt4;
b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass to emulate
analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.
b_v = b_v - b_hp;
b_aflt5 = b_v;
}
That is the ultimate "analog" filter, completely digital, and without
inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.
Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is the real
deal.
And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything of that
either.
And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of "least
obscurity". So it would be natural for this to develop and etablish itself
on Linux. I was a "hacker" in my teens, and I guess many who have been into
hacking, and brilliant programming, really celebrates God, and ofcourse
comes to the same idea of least obcurity, which is also very much like
(non-idolaterous) religion.
Instead ofcourse KvR bans the brilliant, who even talks about a
peacebringing religion, and peaceful meditation, according to Gods praises,
and the highest of intelligence, infinite human unfolding and rights, if
you wish. And that is the incoherent idolater/faithless.
Peace Be With You.
______________________________**_________________
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3:25 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
have started using their phrases.
Please read: http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=1670
And recognize that this is a facist that only seeks to oppress and abuse
you. And I am sure that the decent and respectable people in our
civilization, has seen many of them, and I would like for you to take
notice, that they use these kinds of expressions.
Having a political system, "social", which have people like these
working in childcare, psychiatric care, or elder care. is ofcourse to
ask for abuse. I think that most people know that such attitudes are not
tolerated in privately owned institutions. And so ofcourse I argue
privatization, and the universal monotheism that is on my page, see
theology, that is according to Gods praises, worship and religion. And
all the names of God are good.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 2:27 PM, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote:
This is completely off topic but are you mental?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t understand.
Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or
harsh etc.
Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got
nothing to do with digital. It has something to do with the
engineers making the algorithms.
When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was
making a TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do
first. I talked to the people on #musicdsp, and they had
little clue, some had tried and said it was difficult or
impossible, some say they had succeded but their filters
didn´t sound too good.
On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years
old, I did a resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked.
Some engineers in the KvR forum, said it was a bad thing to
do, because their job now got so much more difficult.
When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is
typical for those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the
algorithm. They don´t understand what is going on. Instead
very unecesary high-level theorems, they try to fit into what
is simple analog feedback paths.
One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many
years, and they did not come up with anything good.
They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for
instance, why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it
cannot completely be done in digial.
All this is just crazy trash.
Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and
realized there was just four feedback-paths with one negative
feedback-path around. It is as simple as that. That is all
"analog vintage" synth-filters. There is absolutely no
obscurity going on, it is as simple as it can be.
Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that
components are a bit inaccurate, and there is often some
highpassing going on, due to the frequency-response of the
components, you can model that, VERY SIMPLY, and without much
cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR uses extreme cpu,
and even sounds bad.
Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that
digital can sound just as good as analog, and without the
inaccuracies. And analog often has characteristics you DON´T
want. So it is even better.
Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please
google it. Since this licence allows for functions alone, to
be released as opensource you can make it a function, and use
it alongside whatever else you use.
//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for
emulating the analog-charateristic of more saturation in the
low-freq. (due to saturated buffers)
b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);
// there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the
paste.
if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass ("ladder")
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no
attenuation with rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback
for resonance.
b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v > 1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v < -1) {b_v =
-1;} // clip
//sat/soften clip.
double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested
at the time, this is a filter from my synth "Abdullah", and
work in progress.
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
if (b_v < 0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_v = b_vr;
b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
b_v = b_v / b_off2;
// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix,
and get a little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the
audible range. A bit similar to how some zero-cross distortion
works.
b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
b_v = b_aflt4;
b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass
to emulate analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.
b_v = b_v - b_hp;
b_aflt5 = b_v;
}
That is the ultimate "analog" filter, completely digital, and
without inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.
Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is
the real deal.
And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything
of that either.
And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of "least
obscurity". So it would be natural for this to develop and
etablish itself on Linux. I was a "hacker" in my teens, and I
guess many who have been into hacking, and brilliant
programming, really celebrates God, and ofcourse comes to the
same idea of least obcurity, which is also very much like
(non-idolaterous) religion.
Instead ofcourse KvR bans the brilliant, who even talks about
a peacebringing religion, and peaceful meditation, according
to Gods praises, and the highest of intelligence, infinite
human unfolding and rights, if you wish. And that is the
incoherent idolater/faithless.
Peace Be With You.
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
<mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org>
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
3:35 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this
with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
3:46 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.
From www.worshipthediscusting.com
"The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general
fertiliser enthusiast.
This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can
discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right
sprite.
Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to
be superior to the world, can be discussed here.
Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are
especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our
regular obession with sucking strange dicks.
GTC."
That is right up their alley, I think.
Peace Be With You.
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply
this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
3:53 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Tue, January 8, 2013 1:46 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
Literally ;-)
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.
From www.worshipthediscusting.com
"The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general
fertiliser enthusiast.
This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can
discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right
sprite.
Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to
be superior to the world, can be discussed here.
Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are
especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our
regular obession with sucking strange dicks.
GTC."
That is right up their alley, I think. I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply
this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies
online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
Peace Be With You.
Slight contradiction here :-)
There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind as it takes all sorts to
make up a community but off topic discussions are generally worked out on
the LAU list.
Separate from that language like the above is usually reserved for IRC. We
tend to be a bit less vulgar on the mailing lists even though you might
find that many of the people on this list will also participate on IRC.
For those that do not the crossover can be disturbing.
You'll find you get a more considered discussion on the mailing lists if
you try to restrain yourself from going into vulgar language to make your
point.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
4:24 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
To all people who want this trash gone, and their failure to understand
decent thinking, read my research, establish islamic laws, and they will
be executed. And decent people, and their families can live in peace.
Peace Be With You.
On 1/7/2013 3:53 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On Tue, January 8, 2013 1:46 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
Literally ;-)
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.
From www.worshipthediscusting.com
"The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general
fertiliser enthusiast.
This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can
discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right
sprite.
Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to
be superior to the world, can be discussed here.
Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are
especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our
regular obession with sucking strange dicks.
GTC."
That is right up their alley, I think. I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply
this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies
online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
Peace Be With You.
Slight contradiction
here :-)
There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind as it takes all sorts to
make up a community but off topic discussions are generally worked out on
the LAU list.
Separate from that language like the above is usually reserved for IRC. We
tend to be a bit less vulgar on the mailing lists even though you might
find that many of the people on this list will also participate on IRC.
For those that do not the crossover can be disturbing.
You'll find you get a more considered discussion on the mailing lists if
you try to restrain yourself from going into vulgar language to make your
point.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev 
6:12 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Le Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:24:10 +0100,
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> a écrit :
To all people who want this trash gone, and their
failure to
understand decent thinking, read my research, establish islamic laws,
and they will be executed. And decent people, and their families can
live in peace.
.. after the dead or in some other life after the dead. This is the
credo of all the religions. The only true problem is that I am living
here and now, not in some hypothetical place conjugated to the
hypothetical future of the unconditional of the more-than-perfect! This
is why the only God I trust is my own Sacred Spirit!
Computer science is about rational thinking. Religion is about
non-rational superstitions. You are mixing all together into a totally
non-understandable thinking. So, wake-up and stay on focus: this list
is about linux audio development, not about some religious path to the
Armageddon. For this last subject (the Armagedon dear to all religions),
it is plenty of list and forums elsewhere on the internet.
It took centuries in Europa to get ride of all those religious
dictatorships! Sweden was the last European country to separate the
state from the religion in 1923.
Peace Be With You.
without idiotic religious
dictatorship!
Join you own Sacred Spirit and the peace will be with you!
--
"We have the heroes we deserve."
6:14 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Conure up so much noise and idiocy, until toiletsex and rolling in feces
in good, and claim to be superior to me. That is a punishment to you
that I am far happy with. And ofcourse you will probably claim the rest
of your life, that it is so, and I am pleased. You are hereby banned
from heaven.
On 1/7/2013 6:12 PM, Dominique Michel wrote:
Le Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:24:10 +0100,
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> a écrit :
To all people who want this trash gone, and their
failure to
understand decent thinking, read my research, establish islamic laws,
and they will be executed. And decent people, and their families can
live in peace.
.. after the dead or in some other life after the dead. This is
the
credo of all the religions. The only true problem is that I am living
here and now, not in some hypothetical place conjugated to the
hypothetical future of the unconditional of the more-than-perfect! This
is why the only God I trust is my own Sacred Spirit!
Computer science is about rational thinking. Religion is about
non-rational superstitions. You are mixing all together into a totally
non-understandable thinking. So, wake-up and stay on focus: this list
is about linux audio development, not about some religious path to the
Armageddon. For this last subject (the Armagedon dear to all religions),
it is plenty of list and forums elsewhere on the internet.
It took centuries in Europa to get ride of all those religious
dictatorships! Sweden was the last European country to separate the
state from the religion in 1923.
Peace Be With You.
without idiotic
religious dictatorship!
Join you own Sacred Spirit and the peace will be with you!
6:18 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/view_video.php?viewkey=1207070949
[Inapropriate link to a porn site xxxed-out by moderator]
And dudes don`t forget, you can find love, right here on the
linux-audio-dev. Don`t deny your mate.
6:23 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Go to R.S and cry, We sit in code all day, and doesn´t notice the world
around has moved far away, and the rest of people far above, and ask him
again to explain to you that FREE is not related to BEER. And ofcourse
do not use the word open-source. NO NO NO slap on wrist there. LOL.
What a fucking bunch of loosers.
6:24 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
You are hereby banned from heaven.
You don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from the children of
Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet.
7:41 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On 01/07/2013 06:24 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
I am honoured that the most WTF-worthy troll-sh*t-storm I ever
personally witnessed on LAD is a direct consequence of my little
innocent announcement :D
Have fun flaming,
Flo
/me grabs another bag of popcorn
--
Florian Paul Schmidt
http://fps.io
You are hereby banned from heaven.
You
don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from the children of
Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet.
7:51 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Tue, January 8, 2013 5:41 am, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
On 01/07/2013 06:24 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
He went off list and in the words of Doctor Evil "it got weird, didn't it?"
http://amadcity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/it-got-weird.jpg
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
I am honoured that the most WTF-worthy troll-sh*t-storm I ever
personally witnessed on LAD is a direct consequence of my little
innocent announcement :D
Have fun flaming,
Flo
/me grabs another bag of popcorn
You are hereby banned from heaven.
You
don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from
the children of Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet. 
7:57 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
He seems to have a fervent fascination with the male posterior.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>wrote;wrote:
On Tue, January 8, 2013 5:41 am, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
--
"Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't care much where--" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
On 01/07/2013 06:24 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
He went off list and in the words of Doctor Evil "it got weird, didn't
it?"
http://amadcity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/it-got-weird.jpg
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
I am honoured that the most WTF-worthy troll-sh*t-storm I ever
personally witnessed on LAD is a direct consequence of my little
innocent announcement :D
Have fun flaming,
Flo
/me grabs another bag of popcorn
You are hereby banned from heaven.
You
don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from
the children of Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet. 
3:57 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your off-topic
stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively insulting. I don't know
what you are doing on LAD, but I will not read any further messages from
you.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.**com <ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com>>
wrote:
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.
psychiatry has become such an instritution of
abuse, that bullies online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
4:39 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
Paul Davies go back to your nerdy and obscure site, and use windows
software in wine, like idiots do. Imagine running something poorer in a
windows emulation. Are you so poor from your obscure website that you
cannot even purchase windows, and atleast appreciate things working
properly? You are all a joke. And uneccesary. And I could write entire
linux audio layer on my own, if I wished. But I guess I can just use
windows for the time being. See I am not gay who tortures myself, only
to serve idiots like you. We have clowns working in MS, that does what
professional people like me want. Get a job in MS, and dance around like
ballmer. DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS.
On 1/7/2013 3:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com
<mailto:ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.com>> wrote:
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with,
that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that
bullies online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com <http://www.worshipthediscusting.com>
is for you.
This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your
off-topic stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively
insulting. I don't know what you are doing on LAD, but I will not read
any further messages from you.
7:48 p.m.
New subject: List moderation (was: What KvR didn´t understand)
On 2013-01-07 15:57, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Hello dear LADs,
Well, I don't speak much on the lists nowadays, but I will just say this:
If people get offended by any kind of mail of the nature we just experienced
please write to the moderation email right away (mail address can be found on
the list website). I don't do a lot for the mailing lists these days, but I
can be fast reacting on those.
Moreover, it allows me to go read the list for a bit of entertainment, and
damn, this one was good. although I am still wondering if the guy is for
real... I thought those were extinct or had no internet :)
PS: as you might have seen, Robin was faster than I and turned on the guys
moderation bit. I would have gone for a pure ban, but hey ! Robin is a nicer
guy than I am I guess :D
Cheers all !
--
Marc-Olivier Barre
XMPP ID : marco(a)marcochapeau.org
www.MarcOChapeau.org
On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your off-topic
stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively insulting. I don't know
what you are doing on LAD, but I will not read any further messages from
you. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
And Personally, to idiots like
these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com [1] is for you. I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply
this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies
online
have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
8:08 p.m.
New subject: List moderation
On 01/07/2013 07:48 PM, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
PS: as you might have seen, Robin was faster than I and turned on the
guys moderation bit. I would have gone for a pure ban, but hey ! Robin
is a nicer guy than I am I guess :D
I'm not the chosen moderator to make such a decision. Turning on
moderation was a stopgap solution to calm things down.
Even though some parts of the KvR thread are kind of entertaining, I do
support an outright ban. Ove's choice of language and personal insults
is completely inappropriate for LAD.
2c,
robin
PS. note that Ove still receives email to this list.
8:45 p.m.
New subject: List moderation (was: What KvR didn´t understand)
Le Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:48:52 +0100,
Marc-Olivier Barre <marco(a)marcochapeau.org> a écrit :
On 2013-01-07 15:57, Paul Davis wrote:
This guy collected emails here. In consequence, I banned him from my
mail client. Instead of wasting his time, he should try some
psychotherapy or go for a walk.
Ciao,
Dominique
--
"We have the heroes we deserve."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
Hello dear LADs,
Well, I don't speak much on the lists nowadays, but I will just say
this:
If people get offended by any kind of mail of the nature we just
experienced please write to the moderation email right away (mail
address can be found on the list website). I don't do a lot for the
mailing lists these days, but I can be fast reacting on those.
Moreover, it allows me to go read the list for a bit of
entertainment, and damn, this one was good. although I am still
wondering if the guy is for real... I thought those were extinct or
had no internet :)
PS: as you might have seen, Robin was faster than I and turned on the
guys moderation bit. I would have gone for a pure ban, but hey !
Robin is a nicer guy than I am I guess :D
Cheers all ! On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your
off-topic stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively
insulting. I don't know what you are doing on LAD, but I will not
read any further messages from you. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
<ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
> I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that
> the psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that
> bullies online
> have started using their phrases.
<lots of stuff snipped>
Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?
And Personally, to idiots like
these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com [1] is for you.
3:03 p.m.
New subject: What KvR didn´t understand.
I have an audioexample here also.
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=1371
I thnk it is the iteration I pasted.
Check previous posts, for non-303 sound aswell.
Peace Be With You.
2:17 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:23:39PM +0100, Ove Karlsen wrote:
I am using windows and vst at the moment. I need to do
work in a
professional environment, and linux is not there yet.
On the Linux Audio Developer list, Windows is distinctly offtopic. I'm not aware of
any professional-grade audio software for Windows, or indeed the PC platform at all.
Find me a sequencer that can actually keep time on a PC, and I'll start to consider it
suitable for professional use.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
12:51 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated don´t you
think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the millennium
plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything it does, compared to
closed-source variants.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/millennium_plugin_suite_by_paradox_uncreated
Avg. User Rating: Not Rated - Be the first!
KVR Rank: 3564
More information on these can be found on my blog. -
www.paradoxuncreated.com
They probably can be. Unfortunately it's going to take an army of
archaeologists to dig that out of religion-flavoured posts. Would you
like to pinpoint the exact posts?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
On 1/7/2013 12:51 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Your condescending tone will be completley ignored. Go back to pleasing
your satanfriends fantasyconcepts in their, and the object that moves on
it´s own. And KvR is trash, and I have alway outperformed them,
sometimes in DAYS, what they have claimed to do for YEARS. Any opinion
of KvR is completely invalid, and they protect gay toiletwhores. Anyone
who does that can not be expected to have the mind to do quality
engineering. Continue to be offensive, and gain full-life ban and ignore
from my part.
Peace Be With You.
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated
don´t you think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the millennium
plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything it does, compared to
closed-source variants.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/millennium_plugin_suite_by_paradox_uncreated
Avg. User Rating: Not Rated - Be the first!
KVR Rank: 3564
More information on these can be found on my
blog. - www.paradoxuncreated.com
They probably can be. Unfortunately it's going
to take an army of
archaeologists to dig that out of religion-flavoured posts. Would you
like to pinpoint the exact posts?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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1:33 p.m.
This tone is condescending indeed - "toiletwhores" is quite judgemental and
ugly. Please only talk audio engineering here, and not make judgments like
that. I can agree that KVR ain't the arbiter of everything and since
there's no ratings I don't see the point of mentioning it. But your
response is ugly and condescending. Anyway, on-topic.
I did find the interesting pages tho:
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?page_id=75
and
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pxu/files/
I wish you could clarify the license. Eg. LGPL.
Also, LADSPA is a only just-another-pluginformat, and it doesn't really
matter if it is VST or LADSPA. Actually I like LADSPA because it doesn't
make any assumptions about UI. But we just have to accept there's no single
pluginformat since they all cater for different needs. Eg DSSI often ends
up being impossible to use on other platforms since it makes so many
linux-centric assumptions. And there are a handful of more formats too. So
OSS projects just end up supporting an array of plugin-systems anyway.
\\ Benjamin
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 12:51 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Ove Karlsen
wrote:
Your condescending tone will be completley ignored. Go back to pleasing
your satanfriends fantasyconcepts in their, and the object that moves on
it´s own. And KvR is trash, and I have alway outperformed them, sometimes
in DAYS, what they have claimed to do for YEARS. Any opinion of KvR is
completely invalid, and they protect gay toiletwhores. Anyone who does that
can not be expected to have the mind to do quality engineering. Continue to
be offensive, and gain full-life ban and ignore from my part.
Peace Be With You.
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Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated
don´t you think?
I am a professional musician. I am also the developer of the millennium
plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything it does,
compared to
closed-source variants.
http://www.kvraudio.com/**product/millennium_plugin_**
suite_by_paradox_uncreated<http://www.kvraudio.com/product/millennium_pl…
Avg. User Rating: Not Rated - Be the first!
KVR Rank: 3564
More information on these can be found on my blog. -
They probably can be. Unfortunately it's going to take an army of
archaeologists to dig that out of religion-flavoured posts. Would you
like to pinpoint the exact posts?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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1:46 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Dear Ove,
In a list where probably every 2nd subscriber wrote a limiter, using
expressions like "technically superior" is a call for cutting
bullshit.
But hey, I'm quite prepared to give you a hug for every insult you made :)
I know, arguing about offtopic things seems so much more fun to you,
but let's get back on topic, shall we?
> I am a
professional musician. I am also the developer of the millennium
> plugin suite, which is technically superior in anything it does, compared
> to
> closed-source variants.
Your condescending tone will be completley ignored. Go
back to pleasing your
satanfriends fantasyconcepts in their, and the object that moves on it´s
own. And KvR is trash, and I have alway outperformed them, sometimes in
DAYS, what they have claimed to do for YEARS. Any opinion of KvR is
completely invalid, and they protect gay toiletwhores. Anyone who does that
can not be expected to have the mind to do quality engineering. Continue to
be offensive, and gain full-life ban and ignore from my part. What about a professional mixer, used system wide,
where you can apply effects, eq, routing etc.
As a matter of fact, we have that. It's in PulseAudio 3.0, except
there's no UI for that yet, not until pavucontrol is released.
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
1:28 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Ove Karlsen <
ove.karlsen(a)paradoxuncreated.com> wrote:
What I think Linux audio needs is to combine efforts for professional and
regular users.
linux is not OS X. the changes required in the audio "stack" to unify these
two worlds would be rejected by a huge chunk of the developers on linux.
there is no stick available to force them to adapt, as apple did in the
1990's when it imposed CoreAudio on all of its developers.
There seems to be little combined direction in linux
audio.
see above.
There are several standards, and nobody really seems
to care much for them.
most developers using JACK seem very content with it. the quibbles seem
generally to be about edge cases with the API. pulseaudio isn't really a
"standard" especially given that it continues to recommend that developers
use the ALSA API and not the one that PA itself provides. as for plugin
APIs, it is not as if the proprietary world can be cited as an example of
convergence on The One Truth. Why does AU exist on OS X when there was
already VST? Why did digidesign announce its own new plugin (native) API
within the last year? Why does VST exist when there was already a plugin
API present as part of DirectSound? LV2 is a honest, serious attempt to (a)
tackle the problems caused by LADSPA's *intentional* focus on being SIMPLE
(b) create an extensible API. it suffers from the fact that it is
documented in terms that are obscure and even confusing to most programmers
(including me) - i'm constantly amazed at how simple most of it is once you
see a real example of just about anything - but like each and every plugin
API before (and after) it, it will have its fans and its detractors no
matter what.
And audiodrivers seem to vary in quality, and you can
get better results
with alternatives less used.
when vendors write device drivers, you typically get the best possible
results for a given device. when 3rd parties write device drivers, often
simply using a specification (e.g. intel HDA) or worse, reverse
engineering, its absurd to expect the same level of functionality. the
drivers for devices whose vendors have actively supported their development
are as good as those on any other platform, particularly those where the
driver is responsible for the entire codepath from the h/w to user space
(i.e. PCI devices).
What should be done is, rethink the whole audio signal
path/stack with
regards to the lowest possible latency. Audio is one of the places, one
really cares about low latency. While latency on the linux kernel now, is
good enough for most uses, the audio needs rethinking. I tried a brand-new
USB Fireface UCX, in classcompliant mode, and it did not work at first,
needed a patch,
welcome to the world of the linux firewire stack, which is developed and
maintained without a lot of interest in the particular needs of audio
interfaces (though less and less so these days). note also that firewire
audio interfaces are a dying breed (thanks apple!)
and then only got 5ms latency. And I have run 0.33 ms
with a firewire
card. Looking at this from a high-level perspective it seems to be a
software problem. On windows, it works without a problem, and with 1ms
latency, with the firewire drivers. Linux audio really needs to be as good.
And knowing MS engineering, it can easily be better.
why can it "easily be better" when at least half of the companies involved
in providing the technology are not interested in enabling
What about a professional mixer, used system wide,
where you can apply
effects, eq, routing etc. Windows does not have this.
neither does OS X (though this is starting to change, undocumented). and
actually, windows *did* use to have this but it came with a 100msec latency
penalty.
we have a "professional mixer" where you can apply effects and routing on
Linux (and we also "gave" it to OS X and to a lesser extent, WIndows too),
but it does not run in kernel space. because of the issues i alluded to
earlier, it also is not capable of supporting all the requirements of
desktop applications, which is why pulseaudio exists. Pulseaudio does
things that no "professional" mixer needs, but that are incredibly useful
for consumer/desktop workflows.
And a good plugin standard (atleast 64bit float).
there is absolutely no evidence that a 64 bit data path *between*
processing stages creates any detectable improvement in audio quality. in
fact, there are a few double blind tests that show that it makes no
difference whatsoever. with any plugin API, plugins are free to use
whatever data format they wish to. there are not many DSP algorithms that
are improved by using a 64 bit data format, so enforcing this on everything
(at this point in time) is unnecessary and counter-productive.
And things need to be quick and easy to use. No uneccesary mouseclicks.
Look at Logic audio, maybe 5.5.1 on windows, it can be
very fast to use.
Later versions on mac are also good, but to be honest, a bit bloated for my
tastes, and they also reduced the control rate on some stuff there, which I
did not like at all.
you now seem to be mixing up kernel/system-level development with
application development. all the existing DAWs on linux (muse, qtractor,
rosegarden, traverso, non, ardour and others) welcome feedback on their
GUI/workflow design. all DAWs on every platform have their own flaws and
their own excellence. there are number of editing features in ardour, for
example, that were designed by a long time professional logic user
precisely because he was so tired of logic's approach to certain
operations.
And what about trying to establish a universal
soundplayback engine, with
atleast sampleaccurate timing.
what does this even mean?
Making a os-level mixer and sequencer, with the features expected by
professional, but that also scales to normal users, with a "soundblaster"
would be the optimal.
and world peace with apple pie and whipped cream for everyone.
those who don't remember the audio server wars of 1998-2003 are doomed to
repeat them. sigh.
1:37 p.m.
New subject: [ANN] ladspamm - a small c++ library for handling LADSPA plugins
On 01/07/2013 12:05 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
Mentioning LADSPA in 2013 is wildly outdated don´t you
think?
Yeah, I wondered whether to put the following remark at the top of the
mail: "I know this is probably ten years too late..." but decided
against it since I still find the simplicity of LADSPA to be appealing
for a range of tasks..
[snipped the rest of the post as it wasn't related to ladspamm]
Have fun,
Flo
--
Florian Paul Schmidt
http://fps.io
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