Linux-audio-user October 2003

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[linux-audio-user] Re: prebuilt tools (long!)

by Jonathan Segel

thanks to all who read that missive and responded, very interesting. lest you all think that i was complaining about the state of linux audio, i assure you i was not. i had interpreted earlier posts to be asking why more people weren't using linux audio tools, so i gave an example of somebody who had been working in another world and was moving into linux. i love the process of learning new things, gotta keep the old dog young, so for me learning more about how the hardware really interacts with the software is an interesting puzzle to work through --i feel the same way about writing code for supercollider. i don't come from a background of writing code so the process of learning how to do it is both frustrating and exciting --logic puzzles. though not necessary, i should clarify my statements about film and music industry media moving through macs, i meant mostly in terms of recording (audio), editing and mixing (both video and audio). certainly all the major visual-effect rendering has been cgi -moving to almost all linux now. (though my friends at pixar imply that there's some "upper management" pressure to sell renderman for mac g5s...but then they'd actually have to man the phones for tech support.. heh.) the one thing that i can't reconcile yet is mr shirkey's post about the other perspective: if you can't hack the pace then you shouldn't be in the driver's seat. i am definitely of two minds on this. one side says that, yes, no compromise should be made by those who know how to make a thing do what they want it to do simply to allow others do it as well. in this way there can be major forward momentum in the growth of a system, but it also makes an elite group of experts that must be deferred to in order to be able to use their wisdom. this can have deleterious effects upon the culture of the users, besides just making some cache of coolness that comes with being "in the know" (while appearing to be snobs from those that wish they could be in the know themselves!) that is completely irrelevant to the real situations, yet completely within human nature, wherein the development must take long and winding routes to reach the majority of the users who cannot "hack the pace", pun intended. for myself, i see the allure of learning to stay on the bleeding edge of technology and to make music from software that is coming into being daily from a group of people who are likewise inclined. i am one of those people who has to take a preset apart to make something of their own before thinking that they are making their own music. and while i would love to believe i am special somehow for being that way, politically i think i am far too populist to allow it to become elitism. so that part of me wants to make the hard things get easier, perhaps. ok, enough of this - -- _________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Segel -- MAGNETIC -- PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816 4014 Brookdale Ave. Oakland, CA 94619 jsegel(a)magneticmotorworks.com <-----> magsatellite(a)yahoo.com http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com tel (510) 534 7825 cell (510) 484 7415 fax (425) 955 4495

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[linux-audio-user] jackEQ 0.3.3

by Patrick Shirkey

Initial package release of jackEQ-0.3.3 is now available from sf.net. http://jackeq.sf.net TODO: internally assigning jack i/os multiple interfaces - Long interface - Tall interface (current) extra button functionality - mostly for ease of use unlimited channel support (mostly a gui design issue) variety of xfader gain slopes for better mixing. MIDI fader console support. Enjoy. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No! We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything I've ever done. Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002 The Scotsman

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Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg player for Windows?

by Juhan Leemet

Mark wrote: > Windows Media Player doesn't handle ogg files. Is there a Windows app >that would allow my to listen to ogg files? I have used Sonique2 (not the original sonique, that won't work). It is a beta, but appears to work for my .ogg files. -- Juhan Leemet Logicognosis, Inc.

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[linux-audio-user] record audio cd's using ide drive?

by Aaron Trumm

hello all - is there a cd recorder that can record audio cds to an ide cd recorder driver? I have xcdroast, which doesn't seem to do audio - it has an option to play audio files from the harddrive (and doesn't see my soundcard and I can't figure out how to load audio files anyway - weird) and I have of course the command line cdrecord - but that seems to only deal with scsi drives - right? hmmm thanks! -- -------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit www.nquit.com --------------

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[linux-audio-user] More MIDI/sysex dump/sequencers...

by Aaron Trumm

well I've been googling, and reading and googling and boogling and moogling and juggling and fuggling and tuggling for hours upon hours and I still have this question... "So, are you all telling me that there are no sequencers for linux that support a simple sysex dump and sysex receive, you know, by taking a .syx file and throwing it out to the machine?" :) -- -------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit www.nquit.com --------------

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[linux-audio-user] snd-hdsp module load failed???

by Aaron Trumm

Hello - maybe someone can help I have this problem - all of a sudden when I boot up, my HDSP9652 sound module won't load - a big red FAILED is shown - it was working yesterday - here's what I've got (some of you already know this ;) ), and what I changed: Red Hat 9 planet ccrma install Alsa drivers that me and mark K and fernando fixed with the HDSP patch by thomas - all was well then I got the failed today, and when I tried to insmod the module from a terminal I get: # /sbin/insmod snd-hdsp Using /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.1.caps.rh90/kernel/sound/snd-hdsp.o /lib/modules/2.4.20-20.1.caps.rh90/kernel/sound/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved symbol snd_hwdep_new_Rf0dea83e hmm lesseee if I can remember what I changed yesterday (I don' t THINK I had tried rebooting anytime yesterday) dosemu with cakewalk, and mdf (a simple does midi librarian) - I doubt this is the problem the hotplug scripts from planet by doing: apt-get install hotplug hotplug-gtk that was in order to install midisport 2x2 driver from usb-midi-fw.sf.net these last two are my culprits, I assume. but everything was working nicely together yesterday, before I powered down. I'm confused :) -- -------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit www.nquit.com --------------

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RE: [linux-audio-user] Re: prebuilt tools (long!)

by Reuben Martin

>I'm probably showing off my inexperience here, but what about SGI? I >thought all the Silicon Graphics stuff had been ported to Linux and >Linux was becoming the OS of choice for Hollywood DM people who used >to rely on SGI because it's Unix-based, and all that. Is that not >true? It is true that lots of the major pipelines, especially ones heavily into CGI work, are turning to Linux systems. However, most or them are the huge industry powerhouses (Pixar, Dreamworks etc) who have their own in house software and developement. They are just simply porting their software over to Linux. So even though they are proving that Linux works as an excellent OS for media production, very little of the apps they use are available to the public. And of course they are willing to get their hands dirty... :o) Reguards, -Reuben

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[linux-audio-user] Re: prebuilt tools (long!)

by Jonathan Segel

i'd like to chime in here, just to give a completely different perspective, and the problems i have encountered. this is long personal history, feel free to delete (those not on digest!) first thing that is majorly different is that i am a macintosh user, and have been for some 15 years now. that's not where i started in computers, but it is in computers used for music. i have always enjoyed the usability and abaility to individually configure the platform and, for a long time, felt like the attitude of the software makers and users of this platform was in line with my own attitudes on computers and music; which is to say: an ideal of futurism and creativity, extending from xerox PARC to the 21st century. of course things changed. apple has become a very strange company (and slightly greedy - though now i hear they are below 3% of the market share, so maybe i would be too...) and MS windows has become ubiquitous as a non-business platform simply by virtue of the fact that once so many people were indoctrinated into its use via work-related computing it was easier for them to move to a home PC in that same realm. luckily for me, working in california in music and film production, i have been able to stay in the macintosh arena - despite what the european music software manufacturers would have us believe, most film and cd media manufactured and sold around the world during the 1990s was ultimately made, assembled, mixed or produced in its entirety in some combination of avid-controlled software running on macs. i say luckily, because i came to really dislike working in any microsoft software: it seems opaque to me, and the organization is diffcult. plus it's so obvious that the window interface is a poor copy of the macintosh's direct descendent of the dynabook ideal. like the start-from-below as opposed to from-above. (plus i like a command key under my thumb..) so it's not about GUI (though i am partial now to mac after much accustomization) so much as organization. anyway, that's just where MY brain is at. several years ago i split the full time entertainment industry for academia and the avant garde (back to my roots! although i am still a professional musician and tour and record several months out of a year.) so i finally took the time to reeducate myself in the computer world, to get beyond sequencers and digital-audio workstations. that brought me back to synthesis, which for the intervening years--post buchla-and-moog--had been rack-mount yamaha or emu items. (although it should be noted that when i was working on film sound design i did use maany manipualation tools like soundhack or metasynth...) my present main arsenal for making music on mac, both for studio and live performance, shows: max/msp, supercollider (2 and 3), reaktor (see reviews i have written for MIT CMJ) and protools. as well, there are several other apps of course, but less usage on the whole. i run mac os X almost exclusively (unless i need to do something in supercollider 2). i like OS X. really! sadly, the gui is taking more cpu and causing things like max/msp to have timing problems! things like this are being ironed out slowly, and with new computers, we hope we get the chance to have things work properly. more sadly than that, however, is the wholesale abandonment of the platform by various manufacturers - clavia's synth patch editor for example, has no OS X version, nor is there one planned. so if i need to edit patches in the hardware, i need another OS. and RME, well, they're just so self righteously anti-macintosh that i feel bad for having bought the multiface. so... linux. why, you may ask? there are several reason for me. one is that i like computers. a lot. it seems like linux users do too. another is that the aformentioned "idealistic attitude" of futurism, creativity and also cooperativity exists in the linux community, where it is becoming lost elsewhere. this attitude, as it were, is extremely important to me in choosing what i work with, perhaps despite difficulties in doing so. still another reason is that i fear the macintosh being put out of business by microsoft (or apple shooting themselves in the foot), in which case i want an alternative. as for the price, well. that seems less important. a cheap system is cheap, but a good system is still expensive. the points about market-driven development of software are well taken - if you want to use the same thing as everybody else. i have some itch to make my own patches in modular synths (though i really appreciate looking at other people's code/patches to learn how to. great thanks to ssm and ams - especially after i found out about the /usr/share/ams folder was and what it contained, for example.) so i started by converting old ppcs to yellowdog. i immediately realized that the makers of the linux desktop gui environments were coming from PC backgrounds! almost all remind me of windows parodies. and while PD is probably beautiful and powerful, it sure is ugly compared to max/msp (sorry if that is offensive to anyone). anyway, i moved from there to a debian-ppc system, which i liked better, got alsa to work (!) and it made noise so i finally bought a pieced together pentium system and installed planet-ccrma. easy install, difficult to make it work with its built in sound chip - still haven't made sound without digital clicks (the final problem: can't change the IRQ of the VIA82xx snd card from it's position where it lives with a usb hci and eth0 -- is this really information that a studio user/musician needs to be aware of...?*), but at least i am now much more familiar with what's available and what applications i will use. next time i have several hours, i'm going to reread the archives of this list to figure out how to reconfigure my system for the rme multiface. -anybody write up the final how-to? (to the above list i should mention that i burned a july '03 iso of knoppix-ppc to check on my powerbook and it's really good! very impressive interface and immediate hardware and file system accessibility. very nice. still having a hard time with getting the ccrma-redhat networked to see the hfs+ files..) so, i can see that the massive amounts of configuration needed to make a linux system work in a studio environment will be daunting to most users. i don't think anybody in *my* immediate working environment (band, studio, college) would be able to do it**. that combined with learning the new structure of the file system (where is this app? where are its libraries? where are the files/patches for it kept? how do i make it work?) make it a daunting task for any lay user of the more popular windows/mac softsynths/sequencers etc. to navigate. i really don't see how this could be made any easier immediately. the result is that it is going to take determined individuals to use the audio applications for the time being. but this means people that actually care enough to use them and help out other to do so as well! and hopefully that attitude will gather more users, but the people on the inside have got to realize how far they are from the people on the outside in terms of familiarity with the system in general. even i take some of these things for granted, once they are learned. zero-conf is probably the only way to get the masses to do anything! anyway, so here you have another perspective of somebody burrowing into linux audio from another route. thanks for reading and considering another's perspective. -jonathan *this is rhetorical of course, but... ** when i mentioned that i had a linux computer at home in my studio, a student asked me "isn't that only black and white?" so you can guess where the general populace is at.. of course, this is the same state that keepes electing actors to be politicians, so on the whole we ain't that smart. -- _________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Segel -- MAGNETIC -- PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816 4014 Brookdale Ave. Oakland, CA 94619 jsegel(a)magneticmotorworks.com <-----> magsatellite(a)yahoo.com http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com tel (510) 534 7825 cell (510) 484 7415 fax (425) 955 4495

21 years, 1 month

[linux-audio-user] M-Audio Revolution, surround sound

by John Bleichert

Hello All I'm thinking of buying an M-Audio Revolution for a gaming PC, I've had great luck with ALSA and my Delta44 in the studio so I'd like to get another M-Audio. Is anybody using this card? Does the digital speaker output work? What's the word on the current state of surround sound in Linux? Thanks - JB // John Bleichert // syborg(a)earthlink.net

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Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg player for Windows?

by Barton Bosch

I recently had some problems with static while playing back some wav files with Winamp3 on my W98 partition, and after reading this thread, tried Winamp2.91 (I think, 2.9x anyway). It seems to be working alright so far, thoough I haven't tested it with the problem files yet. What's wrong with Winamp3? Is it the same kind of static problems that I encountered, or something else? Oh, and BTW, Winamp2.x for the last couple of releases supports Ogg Vorbis without needing a plug-in. Thanks, Barton Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Linux-audio-user October 2003