Linux-audio-user September 2009

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Re: [LAU] Fwd: What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

by Michael Bohle

----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [LAU] Fwd: What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware) Gesendet: Di, 01. Sep 2009 Von: Ray Rashif Here's a quote from a guy I once met in an audio lecture: "Ableton is good for Metal" Woops? Yes, thats my experience, too. I just started to form a new german progressive metal band. The music is produced 100% with AL 8. We use only virtual amps, synths, sampler and drums, but play them traditional with hands and fingers on guitar, bass or midikeyboard/drum. We create loops and work with scenes, arrange them later to a "traditional" song. Most of the guitar riffs made with the audiolooper and also the temporary vocal tracks. A new way of composition and arrangement, but all musicians that participate in the creative process are very happy with the workflow. I also make electronic/ambient music, alone. Then I use AL as an instrument - triggered by voice, guitar, keyboards. Michael --- original Nachricht Ende ----

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SND problems on Ubuntu 9.04

by Kim Cascone

Using SND 7.18 from the Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04) repo and trying to save the prefs in SND with no luck would like to know how to fix and/or what I'm doing wrong...? thanks in advance! here is the conf info for SND snd --help Snd is a sound editor; see http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/. This is Snd version 7.18 of 17-Jan-06: Xen: 1.40, Guile: 1.6.8 jack Sndlib 19.16 (21-Nov-05, float samples) CLM 3.20 (20-Dec-05) GSL 1.10 fftw-3.1.2-sse2 Gtk+ 2.12.3, Glib 2.14.4, Pango 1.19.1, Atk 1.20.0, Cairo 1.4.10 OpenGL 2.0 Mesa 7.4 (snd gl module: 11-Jul-05), gtkglext 1.2.0 LADSPA 1.1, Jack: 0.103.0 with large file support with gettext: en_US.UTF-8 Compiled Dec 19 2007 17:06:20 C: 4.2.3 20071210 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.2.2-4ubuntu2) Libc: 2.9.stable host: i486-pc-linux-gnu configured via: /build/buildd/snd-7.18/build-tree/snd-7/configure --build=i486-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --includedir=${prefix}/include --mandir=${prefix}/share/man --infodir=${prefix}/share/info --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --libexecdir=${prefix}/lib/snd --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --srcdir=. --with-ladspa --with-gtk --with-guile --with-gl --enable-debug --enable-alsa --with-jack

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Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

by Michael Bohle

----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware) Gesendet: Di, 01. Sep 2009 Von: Dave Phillips<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> > Michael Bohle wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > Hi Michael ! > > > You have never seen Garageband? Because there is no similarity between > LMMS and Garageband in concept. Garageband is a old school daw app (based on > Logic) but LMMS is this a Techno beat maker (yes like FL).... > > > > > > As Bengt pointed out, I was not comparing them structurally. > > However, no, I haven't tried Garageband myself, but three of my students > use it frequently. It seems like a nice program, well-suited to its > purpose. Hmmm, not a good comparison. The purpose of FL Studio (aka Fruity loops) is to make pattern based techno, for beginners also for pro's like Mike Oldfield. LMMS is a clone of FL studio. The magic of Garageband is "Apple Loops" but thats only one aspect. If you make a deeper view, you see a small, but modern songwriter oriented midi sequencer and audio recording daw. Not pattern based, traditional linear. Michael > > Best, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > --- original Nachricht Ende ----

14 years, 7 months

Re: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

by Michael Bohle

----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware) Gesendet: Di, 01. Sep 2009 Von: Thorsten Wilms<t_w_(a)freenet.de> > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:56 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote: > > > I have to admit complete ignorance here, but what is it about Live > > that makes it advantageous over DAWs like Ardour, Reaper, Sonar, Pro > > Tools, etc? Is it primarily loop/clip/synth based rather than a hard > > disk recorder/mixer like a traditional DAW? > > My knowledge is based on reading about it in magazines early on and much > later using the trial version for a bit. > > When it came out, using software for live performance was seen as novel > idea (there might have been an "underground" scene thinking > differently). > > The minimalistic graphics optimized for clearness were a revelation. > Dialogs are avoided, it's all in one window. > > AFAIK it allows tempo changes and immediately stretches/shrinks all > audio to fit. Sony Acid might have been earlier with that. > You can also add markers on clips and then move these markers and the > material between markers will be stretched/shrunken to accommodate. The > version I tried would do so "only" linearly :) > > I think the central new concept was having a matrix view, where you have > columns for tracks/instruments and rows for "Scenes". > Have a look at: > http://digisound.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/3-big-rocker.jpg > All those rectangles with play symbols are patterns. > If you look down the "Master" column, it should become clear what scenes > are about. Note that you can trigger any of the patterns any time. > There's a sync feature that can make sure patterns will be started on > the beat/next-measure. > > There's also a "traditional" arrangement view: > http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/software/ableton-live-7-le-arrangement.png > > Nowadays there's a collection of deeply integrated synth "plugins". > > > GUI-wise, you could always add such a matrix to an existing > DAW/sequencer (not a small project, of course). But you need a backend > that can play any pattern any time, with a sync-to-beat trigger feature. > And live time stretching. > > So, none of the linux audio apps comes even close. > A set of separate tools can never be a replacement (except with a > not-seen-before sophisticated level of optional integration, perhaps). > > People can talk about the real or perceived shortcomings of linux audio > tools all day. Doesn't change a thing. The vague and sometimes silly > comparisons and the very foggy ideas what some commercial apps actually > offer are damn frustrating. Would surprise me to read something *new*. > Thank you for this. It makes me crazy when I read "You don't need fancy apps like this, hydrogen is good enough" or "sooperlooper do the job". I use AL because it is a masterpiece of music software and it fits my needs for a creative workflow. It is the state of art today and contemporary technology for musicians. It is no hype, it is an answer for the question: How you can make music without touching the limits of software. When I read "just put together a few apps on Linux with JACK and you have the same" it make me clear that most of the Linux fanboys here are never seen or used modern software and they don't know what they are talking about. Even David Philips never seen Garageband, but he talk about. It is no good idea to hide behind the small world of Linux audio. The progress goes on, and now it is 2009. Michael > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > thorwil's design for free software: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > --- original Nachricht Ende ----

14 years, 7 months

Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

by Michael Bohle

Hi Dave, ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware) Gesendet: Di, 01. Sep 2009 Von: Dave Phillips<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> > Folderol wrote: > > Picking this out of some interesting comments :) > > > > Has anyone here tried LMMS? What's it like? > > > > > > Hi Will, > > I reviewed it for LJ recently : > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/introducing-lmms-linux-multimedia-studio You have never seen Garageband? Because there is no similarity between LMMS and Garageband in concept. Garageband is a old school daw app (based on Logic) but LMMS is this a Techno beat maker (yes like FL).... Michael > > > Best, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > --- original Nachricht Ende ----

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İsim sitesi

by Arda Eden

http://www.ismididikle.com -- Arda EDEN Cumhuriyet University Faculty of Fine Arts Department of Music Technology Sivas/TURKEY

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Re: [LAU] new music made with linux (and some hardware).. plus a little plug for linux audio ..

by sonofzev＠iinet.net.au

On Tue Sep 1 14:37 , Patrick Shirkey sent: > >On 09/01/2009 12:26 PM, sonofzev(a)iinet.net.au wrote: >> Hi Folks >> >> I've released some more music, mixed with Ardour... >> >> http://www.junodownload.com/products/1461837-02.htm >> > > > >Pretty intense stuff. What do you classify it as? Industrial Psy Trance? > Thanks.. I'll take that as a compliment.. currently we are calling it Freestyle Tech.. it's some of my more experimental stuff so it's a bit genre crossing. > >> Here's an interview where I give the community a small plug.. >> >> http://www.fun-in-the-murky.com/mt/2009/08/son-of-zev---mana-from-melbourne… >> >> Also coming soon.. a remix I did in Ardour has made it VINYL.. yes vinyl ... I >> will post more around the release date.. However, it will be easier to get in >> Europe than in Australia.. so those of you with record players may like it for >> your collection.. >> > > >Congrats! Very cool to hear that you are making this progress. Thanks Patrick.(or is it Pat).. It's been a long time coming but I'm really stoked .. I got my copy yesterday..it's so nice to hear oneself through a record player.. > >Patrick Shirkey >Boost Hardware Ltd > > > > > >> cheers >> >> Allan >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >)

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Re: [LAU] back on topic (ableton-like tools for linux)

by sonofzev＠iinet.net.au

> >On 09/01/2009 11:48 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > It's really a fun app, just like FL Studio. There're even people >who're trying to rebrand and sell it. > > > > > > Anyway, it's not really "simple". I've been arranging my synth >tracks all from within LMMS, including full support for my favourite >VSTi. And that was without any SDK very early on. That is why I don't >have Qtractor or Rosegarden in my workflow, and have grown accustomed >to managing MIDI with a separate app in an ALSA-only session. > > > > With JACK and audio recording support, this will be just as >promising as Ardour 3. > > > > > > > >One thing that ardour, renoise, qtractor and lmms are missing when >compared to AL is the sampler interface which is a core interface in >the live performance model that AL provides. > > > >Seems like a big omission to me that distances these apps quite >severely from the AL model (for live performance) for anyone coming >from that system. Probably also why some people compare lmms to fruity >loops instead of AL. > > > >I imagine it implies the apps are not designed for live object/sample >based performance for AL users. > > that's exactly the issue.. and a question I have to keep asking myself.. If my Akai MPC dies.. (it's nearly 10 years old) do I go to another OS (probably the fruity one based on BSD)... for Ableton or do I stay on the hardware side (especially for Live performance)and not have to rethink my entire strategy... I think LMMS is starting to approach Reason, which is definitely more studio oriented than live oriented.... A simpler solution would be something akin to rolands variphrase/varisampler functionality being built into linux sampler.. which could be driven by seq24... definitely not a full blown AL replacement but quite neat..

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Linux-audio-user September 2009