22 Dec
2013
22 Dec
'13
11:53 a.m.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:21:31 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
Hi Will :)
On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 22:23 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote:
On the other hand, Arch does introduce new dependencies all the time.
In general the number of dependencies of any given package seems to
increase, and the gnome stuff seems to be rather viral. It gets
increasingly harder to run a gnome-free graphical system without going
to greater length (modifying and building your own GTK3 without colord,
polkit, at-spi2-atk etc.). This got annoying enough for me to get rid
of gtk3 altogether, but more and more programs are built against it,
which limits my options.
In my opinion Arch has left the minimal and KISS ways by blindly
adopting everything gnome and red hat releases.
Regards,
Philipp
Without asking, indeed, without even a warning,
they
installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio
This belongs to Debian user, not to LAU. You likely had GNOME2
installed and perhaps you used synaptic and it was set up to install
recommended packages automatically. However, more information is
needed, to explain why this happened. As others already mentioned,
don't upgrade without reading. Not only read what packages will
change, removed or installed, also read release notes, take a look at
the distro's homepage news, or simply have an ear to the ground what
upstream is doing. Apropos upstream, the policy of Debian and the
package management makes it much more complicated to keep an audio
environment stable and up-to-date than for distros with another
policy and another package management. I've got Ubuntu, Debian and
Arch installed. What you want, likely is Arch Linux. Things can break
for Arch Linux too, but not that easy as for Ubuntu and Debian and
the packages for Arch follow upstream, they usually aren't split to
several packages. Arch follows the KISS principle and the user has to
set up everything on his/her own, so the user is aware what is set up
in what way, etc. pp..
Regards,
Ralf
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