11 May
2016
11 May
'16
8:17 p.m.
Hi there!
I'm looking for the best MIDI-Controller for using Ardour as a live
mixing console. I know the Mackie Control Universal (Pro), but I wonder
if there is another (not-so-well-known) manufacturer that does the job
even better.
By the way: What's the difference between MCU and MCU Pro? And how does
this affect Linux Users?
Is there a manufacturer that offers Linux Software for (better/easier)
configuration?
Greets!
Mitsch
11 May
11 May
8:24 p.m.
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Michael Jarosch <riotsound(a)riotmusic.de>
wrote:
Hi there!
I'm looking for the best MIDI-Controller for using Ardour as a live
mixing console. I know the Mackie Control Universal (Pro), but I wonder
if there is another (not-so-well-known) manufacturer that does the job
even better.
It depends on how much control you want, and precisely what control you
want, and what you think is a reasonable <unit-of-currency> cost per
feature.
The big problem with the Mackie Control protocol is that it only allows 8
channels per MIDI port, so if you want to build up a more serious size
console, you need several device connected via multiple MIDI ports, or a
bigger device connected by >1 MIDI port.
By the way: What's the difference between MCU and MCU Pro? And how does
this affect Linux Users?
It has no impact on Linux users at all.They are mostly just different
physical builds and build quality.
Is there a manufacturer that offers Linux Software for (better/easier)
configuration?
The configuration is all in Ardour, and has basically nothing to do with
Linux at all.
12 May
12 May
10:39 a.m.
Am Mittwoch, den 11.05.2016, 14:24 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:
I finally found the url I was looking for:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/midi-binding-maps/
"At this time, these binding maps need to be created with a text
editor.
Currently, we have presets for:
* Behringer BCF 2000
* Korg_nanoKONTROL
* M-Audio Oxygen 8 v2
* Roland SI-24
* Behringer DDX3216
* M-Audio Axiom 25"
Oh! The MCU (Pro) isn't there at all. Does it only work with the Mackie
Control Protocol?
I have a Behringer BCF 2000, but I was looking for a device with more
features and higher quality (the motor-faders are quite loud).
Does anyone has experiences with another device?
Greets!
And thanks, by the way, for the fast answering!
Mitsch
The big problem with the Mackie Control protocol is
that it only
allows 8 channels per MIDI port, so if you want to build up a more
serious size console, you need several device connected via multiple
MIDI ports, or a bigger device connected by >1 MIDI port.
Best thing would be if
I could control all the 24 channels of my HDSP
9652. (I don't use the S/P-DIF.)
Really, just 8 channels with the MCU? Doesn't it have pages to flip
through?
Is there a manufacturer that offers Linux Software for (better/easier)
configuration?> > The configuration is all in Ardour, and has basically nothing to
do
with Linux at all.
1:31 p.m.
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Michael Jarosch <riotsound(a)riotmusic.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 11.05.2016, 14:24 -0400 schrieb Paul
Davis:
The big problem with the Mackie Control protocol is that it only allows 8
channels per MIDI port, so if you want to build up a more serious size
console, you need several device connected via multiple MIDI ports, or a
bigger device connected by >1 MIDI port.
Best thing would be if I could control all the 24 channels of my HDSP
9652. (I don't use the S/P-DIF.)
Really, just 8 channels with the MCU? Doesn't it
have pages to flip
through?
Sure. I'm talking about the number of physical faders. You can bank through
any number if that works for you.
Is there a manufacturer that offers Linux Software for (better/easier)
configuration?
The configuration is all in Ardour, and has basically nothing to do with
Linux at all.
I finally found the url I was looking for:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/midi-binding-maps/
No, that's using completely different technology, absolutely nothing to do
with MIDI binding maps.
Oh! The MCU (Pro) isn't there at all. Does it only work with the Mackie
Control Protocol?
MCP is based on MIDI. It is not, however "generic MIDI". If you have a
device that supports MCP, it is better to use our MCP support. If you have
a device that sends MIDI but does not support MCP, you can create (or use
an existing) MIDI binding map. The Behringer devices can be set to do
either. Mackie Control (and the "Pro") version only support MCP.
13 May
13 May
11:18 p.m.
On Thu, 12 May 2016, Michael Jarosch wrote:
Best thing would be if I could control all the 24
channels of my HDSP 9652. (I
don't use the S/P-DIF.)
Really, just 8 channels with the MCU? Doesn't it have pages to flip through?
Yes it pages, but the protocol itself will only allow 8 strips per device
meaning that if you want a 16 strip surface it requires 2 midi ports.
I finally found the url I was looking for:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/midi-binding-maps/
Generic midi is not mcp.
Oh! The MCU (Pro) isn't there at all. Does it only
work with the Mackie Control
Protocol?
I have a Behringer BCF 2000, but I was looking for a device with more features
and higher quality (the motor-faders are quite loud).
Does anyone has experiences with another device?
try looking at:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackielogic-c…
For mackie compatable devcies in general:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackielogic-c…
There are a number of devices that do mcp. The latest is the x-touch (not
the compact or mini... though the compact is better than the BCF2k) There
are also the SSL Nucleus, faderport (Ardour has a mode just for this),
Qcon, Avid S3 (in Mackie mode). There are also some mixers that will act
like mackie controls on their own or with middleware.
For any MIDI control surface, using MCP in Ardour if the surface supports
it, will give the better experience than generic midi will.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
14 May
14 May
9:37 p.m.
Am Freitag, den 13.05.2016, 14:18 -0700 schrieb Len Ovens:
try looking at:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackiel
ogic-control-protocol/behringer-devices-in-mackielogic-control-mode/
For mackie compatable devcies in general:
http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackiel
ogic-control-protocol/
There are a number of devices that do mcp. The latest is the x-touch
(not
the compact or mini... though the compact is better than the BCF2k)
There
are also the SSL Nucleus, faderport (Ardour has a mode just for
this),
Qcon, Avid S3 (in Mackie mode). There are also some mixers that will
act
like mackie controls on their own or with middleware.
For any MIDI control surface, using MCP in Ardour if the surface
supports
it, will give the better experience than generic midi will.
Thanks!
And Greets!
Mitsch
9:43 p.m.
On Sat, 14 May 2016, Michael Jarosch wrote:
Am Freitag, den 13.05.2016, 14:18 -0700 schrieb Len
Ovens:
>
> try looking at:
> http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackiel
> ogic-control-protocol/behringer-devices-in-mackielogic-control-mode/
> For mackie compatable devcies in general:
> http://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/devices-using-mackiel
> ogic-control-protocol/
...
> For any MIDI control surface, using MCP in Ardour
if the surface
> supports
> it, will give the better experience than generic midi will.
I should add that if you are using a BCF2000 you may find this useful:
http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/mcpdisp.html I put it right at the
bottom of the screen above the controller.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
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