On Mon, 9 May 2016 21:23:21 -1000 david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote: The reason the first release is so rare is that Holt's granddaughter kicked up a stink, claiming it was an 'abomination'. RCA decided it wasn't important enough to fight so just withdrew it. It disappeared off the shelves just before I could get to a record shop to buy it (having heard a friend's copy). It then remained in limbo for very many years :( Just because I happened to have a rather nice half-track stereo Brenell at the time didn't mean I was going to take a copy - oh no :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

2016-05-11 13:00 GMT+02:00 Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>om>: Many spanish people would always remember his beautiful version of Arabesco #1, as it was the music for a TV program for kids years ago. I guess some of the discovered later that it was a Debussy version and maybe started to review classic music.

PS: And all children loved the famous Kraftwerk :).

On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:50:16 +0100, Will Godfrey wrote: In Germany there was a nightly radio show. "WDR open house" played all kinds of "avant garde" music. AFAIR this was in the early 80s. I don't remember, but could imagine that they might have played Isao Tomita too. However, AFAIK he wasn't well known in Germany. I guess today he's well known by people who read mangas and watch animes, maybe more popular than by people interested in music, than in comics. I should ask a few people who are older than I'm. Perhaps I'm just too young.

On Thu, 12 May 2016 19:30:19 -0400, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote: Care about the time. Actually most German bands did not exist or if they already exist, they made different music, usually Krautrock. For example "Neubauten" are neither a synth band, nor did this band exist that time. Bands from other countries, Hawkwind, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band etc. made similar music to Krautrock, using synth either. I guess Kraftwerk is the only band that already put away the flute and made clean synth music and most likely Kraftwerk anyway is the most important band for this genre. OTOH while "Autobahn" is from 1974, Kraftwerk became popular 1978 with "Die Mensch-Maschine". Before 1974 (Wiki claims 1973, but IMO this is incorrect), they were not a clean synth band. Isao Tomita definitively is a pioneer. Anyway, I agree with you, he might not have been that popular, if known at all that time, because there already were much international and German bands that are more interesting than classical music played on a synth. Beside the German bands, Amon Düül and that kind, there were international bands such as Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Yes or Camel, let alone that hard rock bands such as Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple or Black Sabbath made much more energetic music. No Bach fugue, Kraut-/Prog Rock can hold a candle to the bass riff of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. The people from my generation, including myself listen to classical music, play classical music, but we are children of hard rock and punk rock. IMO the 70s were not the right time for synth music, since the powerful young musicians even in the beginning 80s had not the money to make clean synth music. The first band I played guitar, it were already the 80s, we first had a single Moog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_Concertmate_MG-1 played by Dirk Brauner who nowadays builds Brauner Microphones :D. Many bands that time still had no synth at all. Some time later another keyboarder owned the http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/sh101.php and a few years later everybody and all bands had a synth, among those synths the German DIY Doepfer synths. I guess synth music in general became more popular in the middle of the 80s, when the young musicians could pay for synth. The idols regarding synth music, for my generation, the guys that were/are around ten years older than we were/are played synths in combination with other instruments: A German, respl. an European masterpiece from 1981, not made by noobs, the drummer e.g. is an educated classical musician. That has got the energy of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSgGNd6thrc An European (English) masterpiece from that time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0z0vmkJ4MQ Not made by noobs, the drummer e.g. is an educated classical musician. That has got the energy of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. In the 70s there was the Vietnam War, in the 80s there was the cold war, perhaps this explains why classical music played with electric instruments was not that popular, as either light fare such as Popcorn and aggressive music was. I guess most discovered Isao Tomita later (or never).

On Fri, 13 May 2016 08:30:41 -0400, Joe Hartley wrote: :) Today I read about another remake of a vintage synth, from 2015: http://www.thomann.de/gb/korg_pro_arp_odyssey.htm This dealer doesn't sell the original Oberheim SEM remake, but analog synth based on SEM filters or Moog filters as well as Doepfer SEM filters and a SEM from another vendor. They sell the Dave Smith & Tom Oberheim OB-6 Synthesize (btw. the only real analog synth I own is the Matrix-1000) and they sell a lot of new Moog gear. IMO most remakes are totally overpriced. For my iPad I got the Aturia SEM emulation for IIRC 6,- EUR. It syncs to the iPad MusicStudio. FWIW since a few days MusicStudio is available for Android devices too. I still had no time to make a song, to export the iPad song to Ardour (Linux) and mix it (I don't have a sound card for the iPad, only one for my Linux PC), so I can't say if the SEM emulation is ok, but the emulation on the iPad sounds promising. We are back to a situation where real analog synth are again to expensive for many musicians. Hopefully the proprietary software emulations are ok. Regarding digital synth, if I compare Hexter (Linux) with my real DX7 from the first generation, then Hexter (RME HDSPe AIO sound card) is unable to hold a candle to the DX7. Hexter is missing richness. On the iPad I have the Vogel CMI. The Vogel CMI seems to be a complete rip-off. I can't compare it with the original Fairlight, but there's no need to do a direct comparison, the emulation seems to be nearly unusable. I already pay much more money than other apps usually cost for full versions, just to get the CMI light version and to pay for the full version doesn't promise real improvements. Yesterday I watched some Jean Michel Jarre and Klaus Schulze live videos. This synth music IMO isn't music for stage. I was bored silly. They don't perform, really work as musicians, they just push a key, at best a chord or touch a knob. Playing classical music on a Moog at least provides the audience an artist who is really working, playing an instrument. I was surprised about some sounds when listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-vYOCsgvY Regarding the Internet Isao Tomita also plays a Mellotron on A Night on Bare Mountain, that might explain why I was surprised about some sounds :D.

On 05/13/2016 01:59 PM, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote: There are better quality vids of Ars Nova on YT, in terms of sound. Can't point anyone at them because I downloaded them. I wouldn't says "Move away, Keith Emerson." Their keyboard players are good, but not that good. Also not particularly inventive when it comes to sound. But they do put on a good show. Note about them. They often paint themselves as an all-girl band. Yet in a number of their concert vids, there's a man playing drums off in the shadows. Does make me wonder if he's covering up for their drummer. Just to avoid confusion with the other Ars Nova (American prog rock) band: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Nova_%28Japanese_band%29 -- David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:23:22 -0400, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote: I'll listen to the links later today. Some of the bests albums of some artists are live recordings, OTOH some music IMO isn't made for live performance.