On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Ricardus Vincente<.......(a)gmail.com> wrote: AH-HA, that explains a lot of what has been confusing me, TRS does not equal balanced.  Thank you!!!  :)

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Ricardus Vincente<wizardofgosz(a)gmail.com> wrote: AH-HA, that explains a lot of what has been confusing me, TRS does not equal balanced. Thank you!!! :) --

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:16 PM, sevol<sevols.ear(a)gmail.com> wrote: better read the equipment manual on connectors section before touch anything! read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS_connector also you would learn a lot reading this: (pro sound site) http://www.rane.com/note110.html or a direct pdf (instead html page) http://www.rane.com/pdf/ranenotes/Sound%20System%20Interconnection.pdf greets Leo

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 05:16:00PM -0700, sevol wrote: It is not possible to distinguish by looking at the cable, nor even by electrical means ... it is not up to the cable alone. Whether the system (the output, the cable, and the input) is balanced depends on all three components, not just the cable. As an example, an XLR connector and cable, common in stage microphone setups, can be used in an unbalanced fashion. Either through accident or intentionally. A TRS to TRS cable where the sleeve is anchored to the shield ... can be used as a balanced cable for one audio channel ... if the devices at either end are in agreement about it. It is *normally* used as an unbalanced cable for two audio channels. The usual audio cable is two cores with a shield ... and when it is used in a balanced configuration the shield is excluded from the audio signal path. A TRS cable is normally thus. A cable with a shield and one core cannot easily be used as a balanced line, since the shield will pick up a different amount of noise compared to the core. There is equipment out there that carefully isolates the sleeve of the socket from the power supply protective earth, and this reduces hum and may well be said to be "balanced". To test audio cables, I use a multimeter and a sewing needle: 1. test the multimeter by checking that it reads no connection when the probes aren't connected, and connection when the probes are connected, 2. check for isolation between each of the plug sections; tip, ring, and sleeve, 3. check for connection between each of the corresponding plug sections at either end of the cable, tip to tip, ring to ring, sleeve to sleeve, 4. stick the needle just under the surface of the cable, and check that the cable shield has a connection to the plug sleeve. (I'm talking above about audio frequencies. At radio frequencies, an unbalanced transmission line is something like coax, and balanced is ribbon.)

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 05:16:00PM -0700, sevol wrote: It is not possible to distinguish by looking at the cable, nor even by electrical means ... it is not up to the cable alone. Whether the system (the output, the cable, and the input) is balanced depends on all three components, not just the cable. As an example, an XLR connector and cable, common in stage microphone setups, can be used in an unbalanced fashion. Either through accident or intentionally. A TRS to TRS cable where the sleeve is anchored to the shield ... can be used as a balanced cable for one audio channel ... if the devices at either end are in agreement about it. It is *normally* used as an unbalanced cable for two audio channels. The usual audio cable is two cores with a shield ... and when it is used in a balanced configuration the shield is excluded from the audio signal path. A TRS cable is normally thus. A cable with a shield and one core cannot easily be used as a balanced line, since the shield will pick up a different amount of noise compared to the core. There is equipment out there that carefully isolates the sleeve of the socket from the power supply protective earth, and this reduces hum and may well be said to be "balanced". To test audio cables, I use a multimeter and a sewing needle: 1. test the multimeter by checking that it reads no connection when the probes aren't connected, and connection when the probes are connected, 2. check for isolation between each of the plug sections; tip, ring, and sleeve, 3. check for connection between each of the corresponding plug sections at either end of the cable, tip to tip, ring to ring, sleeve to sleeve, 4. stick the needle just under the surface of the cable, and check that the cable shield has a connection to the plug sleeve. (I'm talking above about audio frequencies. At radio frequencies, an unbalanced transmission line is something like coax, and balanced is ribbon.) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 09:25:10PM -0700, sevol wrote: Which reminds me ... don't stick needles into power cables. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/