5 Feb
2013
5 Feb
'13
10:29 a.m.
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to decide
what to install...
Thx,
James
11:30 a.m.
On Feb 5, 2013 9:45 AM, "Arve Barsnes" <arve.barsnes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Don't know - that's why I was asking!
I was thinking maybe problems with binary incompatibilities? I have seen
instructions for some programs that suggest including 32 bit libraries
within a 64 bit distro, which sounds fiddly but is,perhaps very simple -
it's just not something I have had to deal with before...
On 5 February 2013 10:29, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages
outweigh the
difficulties?
What difficulties? 
11:46 a.m.
Hi James!
Audio and video encoding and program compilation is usually faster under 64
bit.
The 32 bit hangover is more of an issue under Windows where lots of apps
still don't have 64 bit versions to the point where it can seem silly
bothering with a 64 bit OS. Under Linux you can install the 32 bit libs
easily enough if you need to run a 32bit (usually closed source) app such
as Skype.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for
audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to decide
what to install...
Thx,
James
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8:02 p.m.
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for
audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I can't imagine why anyone would run a 32-bit Linux on a modern
processor. Virtually every processor made today is 64-bit. Even the
little old dual-core ARM processor in my wife's netbook is 64-bit!
64-bit gives programs access to more on-chip registers, and removes the
need for the silly physical address extension (PAE) stuff.
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
8:32 p.m.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
It surprises me that none of you seem to remember ~2007. The question of
whether to use 32-bit linux on a 64-bit processor is just a bit of
superstition left over from the days when 64-bit linux had limited
compatibility.
The solution to most desktop users back then was: just run a 32-bit PAE
version of linux. Yeah, really that was just about 6 years ago :)
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I can't imagine why anyone would run a 32-bit Linux on a modern processor.
Virtually every processor made today is 64-bit. Even the little old
dual-core ARM processor in my wife's netbook is 64-bit!
64-bit gives programs access to more on-chip registers, and removes the
need for the silly physical address extension (PAE) stuff.
6 Feb
6 Feb
10:45 a.m.
On 02/05/2013 09:32 AM, Charles Z Henry wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I can't imagine why anyone would run a 32-bit Linux on a modern
processor. Virtually every processor made today is 64-bit. Even the
little old dual-core ARM processor in my wife's netbook is 64-bit!
64-bit gives programs access to more on-chip registers, and removes
the need for the silly physical address extension (PAE) stuff.
It surprises me that none of you seem to remember ~2007. The question
of whether to use 32-bit linux on a 64-bit processor is just a bit of
superstition left over from the days when 64-bit linux had limited
compatibility.
I agree with that.
The solution to most desktop users back then was: just
run a 32-bit PAE
version of linux. Yeah, really that was just about 6 years ago :)
I didn't acquire hardware that supports PAE until about 2 years ago.
That processor is a 64-bit quad core AMD Phenom II with 12GB of RAM.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
5 Feb
5 Feb
10:56 p.m.
You can have problems if your RAM isn't bigger enough (1 GB or less),
because the applications in a 64-bit OS occupes more RAM.
2013/2/5 david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I can't imagine why anyone would run a 32-bit Linux on a modern processor.
Virtually every processor made today is 64-bit. Even the little old
dual-core ARM processor in my wife's netbook is 64-bit!
64-bit gives programs access to more on-chip registers, and removes the
need for the silly physical address extension (PAE) stuff
.
6 Feb
6 Feb
10:39 a.m.
A bit more RAM use, yes. I suspect far less than the amount of RAM
consumed by GUI desktops, or audio samples/soundfonts loaded in memory
... but even my 8 year old Celeron M based laptop has 2GB of RAM. My
wife's cheap netbook has 2GB of RAM.
My effects box laptop, which is even older than my laptop, has only
768MB of RAM. Its processor speed is almost twice that of my laptop. It
runs 32-bit Linux audio distros (with lightweight GUIs), and struggles
because of the limited memory. So 32-bit doesn't help much, in my opinion.
On 02/05/2013 11:56 AM, Luigino Bracci wrote:
You can have problems if your RAM isn't bigger
enough (1 GB or less),
because the applications in a 64-bit OS occupes more RAM.
2013/2/5 david
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I can't imagine why anyone would run a 32-bit Linux on a modern
processor. Virtually every processor made today is 64-bit. Even the
little old dual-core ARM processor in my wife's netbook is 64-bit!
64-bit gives programs access to more on-chip registers, and removes
the need for the silly physical address extension (PAE) stuff
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
14 Feb
14 Feb
8:36 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs]
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
10:10 a.m.
On Thursday 14 February 2013 04:09:44 Rustom Mody did opine:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"alien" should fix that.
Cheers, Gene
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up!
My views
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BOFH excuse #257:
That would be because the software doesn't work.
I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting
harder and harder to find any...
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs] Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
10:38 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)wdtv.com> wrote:
On Thursday 14 February 2013 04:09:44 Rustom Mody did
opine:
Alien is the option I first used when I got the printer years ago and it
worked then
Thereafter canon started supplying debs. So far so good in the 32-bit world.
Come the 64-bit era and I find there are only 32 bit debs.
So alien was the first option I tried. It did not work.
The two other options are
- compile from source
- use 32 bit deb with ia32
The first did not go through. I have to try harder I guess
The second Ive not yet tried
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"alien" should fix that.
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs] Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one. 
11:58 a.m.
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 04:10 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 14 February 2013 04:09:44 Rustom Mody did
opine:
Last time I used alien to get some up to date lightscribe stuff it
didn't work, so I'm using one outdated lightscribe app.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"alien" should fix that. On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs] Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro
for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
4:35 p.m.
On Thursday 14 February 2013 10:33:51 Ralf Mardorf did opine:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 04:10 -0500, Gene Heskett
wrote:
Sounds like alien needs some tlc. I wonder if the author is aware of that?
Cheers, Gene
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up!
My views
<http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml>
Did it ever occur to you that fat chance and slim chance mean the same
thing?
Or that we drive on parkways and park on driveways?
I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting
harder and harder to find any...
On Thursday 14 February 2013 04:09:44 Rustom Mody
did opine:
Last time I used alien to get some up to date lightscribe stuff it
didn't work, so I'm using one outdated lightscribe app. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"alien" should fix that. On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
> Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
> advantages outweigh the difficulties?
>
> I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying
> to decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs]
10:15 a.m.
On 02/13/2013 09:36 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs]
You used alien to convert the 64-bit RPM and install the package?
Canon's Linux support is not very good compared to HP and Epson. I have
a Canon i850. Never used it on my 64-bit system because it quit working
a couple of years before I got the 64-bit system. It took years before
non-proprietary 32-bit Linux fully supported it. (In fact, I bought
Turboprint for that purpose. And Turboprint comes in both 32- and 64-bit
Linux versions.)
I agree, you may run into odd device drivers that are 32-bit only. I
think they're very rare now! Are there any audio devices that work only
with 32-bit Linux?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
11:10 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 02/13/2013 09:36 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Just to update - I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu studio 64, and
haven't had any major problems. The only issue was with the Brother
print driver, for which I had to install the i32 compat libraries.
I also found that UT2004 isn't really working properly any more, but I
am not sure whether that is a 32 vs 64bit issue, or because of
old/outdated libraries. I think I will probably end out just running
it under wine if I decide I really want to play it!
James
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
On 02/04/2013 11:29 PM, James Stone wrote:
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
I'm expecting a new computer to be delivered today and am trying
to
decide what to install...
What difficulties? I run both 32- and 64-bit Linuxes, and have no
difficulties with either one.
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs]
3:02 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Canon printer that runs on my 32 bit desktop
Ive not yet got it running on my new 64 bit laptop
[Note: Canon supplies 32 and 64 bit rpms but only 32 bit debs]
It is interesting. I just, a week or two ago, upgraded my system from 32
to 64 bits in my office studio. We have a network Canon printer/copier for
the office (Big bugger as we do a lot of printing of handouts, booklets,
etc.) that before I did this I spent hours trying to get working on Linux.
Once I upgraded form Bodhi 1.* 32-Bit to Bodhi 2.2 64-Bit, and installed
the printer services and configuration tools, I got at least basic black
and white printing automatically. I haven't looked into seeing if I can
get color working much, but honestly right now I will take what I have as I
don't do much graphic work on that machine, it is my audio machine first
and foremost.
Just interesting ancedote about Canon support, I don't think these drivers
had anything to do with Canon however and much more to do with the
Ghostscript/Postscript community, but I could be very wrong as I don't keep
up with Linux printing.
Seablade
10:50 p.m.
Is there any advantage in using a 64 bit distro for
audio? Do the
advantages outweigh the difficulties?
For what I do, live MIDI synthesis, the advantages do outweigh the
difficulties. First of all, when I compile application source, I
compile -march=native -mtune=native. This gives significant performance
increases. I don't know what would happen if I tried that on a 32-bit
OS running on 64-bit hardware, but even if the compilation worked, the
result will not use the full CPU capability. And second, recompiling or
not, memory management in general is much more efficient, because larger
chunks can be moved in single operations.
--
Jonathan E. Brickman
http://linuxsynth.ponderworthy.com
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