8 Feb
2005
8 Feb
'05
3:38 p.m.
Hi all,
I have been asked to give a mini-seminar and live demonstration later
this year on Ardour and Linux audio applications to the audio
engineering students at the university that I work for. I plan to do
a general overview of Linux with some diagrams and web links for
further reading, some info about applications available, and supported
hardware.
Next, I will give a live demo of a session in the recording studio at
the university. I'll bring in my computer, and set it up next to the
ProTools machine that they are used to using, connect it to the
projector so they all can see what I'm doing, and basically do a
simple recording and mixing session with Ardour.
The point is these students work with nice, expensive hardware and
ProTools on a nice fast Macintosh computer in the studio, but when the
class ends, many will want to continue their work in the home studio
environment, and the director there wants me to present Linux as an
affordable and stable alternative for pro audio work (as opposed to
students having to buy ProTools, Sonar, Reason, or whatever) to get
some decent work done.
I plan on having someone videorecord the presentation and demo, and if
it comes out any good, I'll make up DVD's and distribute them to
whomever wants one for the cost of the media and shipping.
Any ideas on stuff to include, or how to make this a killer
presentation? BTW, sorry to cross-post, but I felt that this
pertained to both the Ardour group and the LAU folks (many who are on
both lists). I'm just overjoyed that I will get to show this stuff
and hopefully convert a few users :) I'm also thinking about burning
off a bunch of copies of the various audio-focused distros to hand out
at the seminar.
Jon M.
8 Feb
8 Feb
4:46 p.m.
Jon Morin wrote:
Any ideas on stuff to include, or how to make this a
killer
presentation?
Here's some ideas to start with
-routing possibilities available, both within ardour and between apps
using Jack
-how Ardour can automatically automatically adjust all the tracks for
delays caused by plugins or other programs processing the audio
-the extensive automation (including plugin automation) within ardour
-jack transport and the concept of freewheeling
-controlling external hardware from ardour with MMC
-Some tools most commonly used with studio recording to complement
Ardour: Jamin, JackRack, JAAA, Meterbridge, LADSPA, Freqtweak, JackMix, etc.
-The biggest influence you can have though is to provide some samples of
projects recorded, mixed, and mastered on Linux using OSS.
-Reuben
5:21 p.m.
One of the coolest things you can do with Ardour and JAMin is to run
mixing and mastering at the same time. Start Ardour and JAMin, route
your Ardour master bus out to JAMin's inputs, route JAMin's outs back to
a new stereo track in Ardour. You can tweak single tracks and the
mastering controls at the same time. Even if you don't run the JAMin
outs back to Ardour you can still check out the mastered sound and be
able to adjust single tracks. I don't know if there's any combination
of apps that will do this on Windows or Mac. Once the OSC stuff is
working well you'll be able to automatically queue scene changes from
Ardour to JAMin. Ron Parker has been testing this and I don't know
where it stands at the moment.
Jan
On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 13:38, Jon Morin wrote:
Hi all,
I have been asked to give a mini-seminar and live demonstration later
this year on Ardour and Linux audio applications to the audio
engineering students at the university that I work for. I plan to do
a general overview of Linux with some diagrams and web links for
further reading, some info about applications available, and supported
hardware.
Next, I will give a live demo of a session in the recording studio at
the university. I'll bring in my computer, and set it up next to the
ProTools machine that they are used to using, connect it to the
projector so they all can see what I'm doing, and basically do a
simple recording and mixing session with Ardour.
The point is these students work with nice, expensive hardware and
ProTools on a nice fast Macintosh computer in the studio, but when the
class ends, many will want to continue their work in the home studio
environment, and the director there wants me to present Linux as an
affordable and stable alternative for pro audio work (as opposed to
students having to buy ProTools, Sonar, Reason, or whatever) to get
some decent work done.
I plan on having someone videorecord the presentation and demo, and if
it comes out any good, I'll make up DVD's and distribute them to
whomever wants one for the cost of the media and shipping.
Any ideas on stuff to include, or how to make this a killer
presentation? BTW, sorry to cross-post, but I felt that this
pertained to both the Ardour group and the LAU folks (many who are on
both lists). I'm just overjoyed that I will get to show this stuff
and hopefully convert a few users :) I'm also thinking about burning
off a bunch of copies of the various audio-focused distros to hand out
at the seminar.
Jon M.
9 Feb
9 Feb
12:41 p.m.
--- Jan Depner <eviltwin69(a)cableone.net> wrote:
One of the coolest things you can do with Ardour and
JAMin is to run
mixing and mastering at the same time. Start Ardour
and JAMin, route
your Ardour master bus out to JAMin's inputs, route
JAMin's outs back to
a new stereo track in Ardour.
or to a stereo bus which eliminates two steps;
realtime record pass and subsequent export. Or is that
one step... :) precoffee letters reveal my stupidity.
You can tweak single
tracks and the
mastering controls at the same time. Even if you
don't run the JAMin
outs back to Ardour you can still check out the
mastered sound and be
able to adjust single tracks. I don't know if
there's any combination
of apps that will do this on Windows or Mac. Once
the OSC stuff is
working well you'll be able to automatically queue
scene changes from
Ardour to JAMin. Ron Parker has been testing this
and I don't know
where it stands at the moment.
The LADSPA OSC plugin JAMin Controler is working. This
implementation is probably proof of concept. Ardour is
slated to have internal OSC at some point. That and
some other fixes and features will make the strategy
competitive with the best available solutions. I'm
talking about shit that costs $10,000.00.
I've explained a concept of Chunks to Paul Davis that
would enable us to manage multitrack sources for many
songs. Multitrack source mastering currently is proof
of concept because mastering is about controling the
loudness of many songs and not one song. We handle one
multitrack source very well right now. I need to file
a feature request in mantis that explains the idea in
greater detail. What we have today with multitrack
source capabilities and OSC demonstrates that JACK,
Ardour and JAMin combined do what no other tool set
does.
Multitrack mastering is fine and dandy but the JAMin
part of mastering a well produced mix is a 30 second
job. So stereo files are fine if the work is high
quality.
The remaining weakness is in producing the Table of
Contents for the CD and freewheel export direct to CD.
The Ardour locations interface is the key to that
realm. It's been discussed but a mantis feature
request is probably a good idea.
The above concepts when properly implemented will
enable engineers to focus on musicians and producers
rather than production details. It's a very important
concept.
I used to have Ardour mixing and mixing mastering demo
sessions but they are probably trash by now. I'm
working on new materials. I recently hired a
professional video producer and camera person and
filmed a very nice production in my studio using
Ardour. These materials are a replacement for the book
I started in 2001 but can't stand to work on. All of
this is intended to be mulitimedia presentation for
audio engineering and production.
Anyways, I'll shutup before ramblings drift way out to
topics like fishing and sexual kinks or the first
lunar launch.
ron
Jan
On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 13:38, Jon Morin wrote:
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Hi all,
I have been asked to give a mini-seminar and live
demonstration later
this year on Ardour and Linux audio applications
to the audio
engineering students at the university that I
work
for. I plan to do
a general overview of Linux with some diagrams
and
web links for
further reading, some info about applications
available, and supported
hardware.
Next, I will give a live demo of a session in the
recording studio at
the university. I'll bring in my computer,
and
set it up next to the
ProTools machine that they are used to using,
connect it to the
projector so they all can see what I'm doing,
and
basically do a
simple recording and mixing session with Ardour.
The point is these students work with nice,
expensive hardware and
ProTools on a nice fast Macintosh computer in the
studio, but when the
class ends, many will want to continue their work
in the home studio
environment, and the director there wants me to
present Linux as an
affordable and stable alternative for pro audio
work (as opposed to
students having to buy ProTools, Sonar, Reason,
or
whatever) to get
some decent work done.
I plan on having someone videorecord the
presentation and demo, and if
it comes out any good, I'll make up DVD's
and
distribute them to
whomever wants one for the cost of the media and
shipping.
Any ideas on stuff to include, or how to make this
a killer
presentation? BTW, sorry to cross-post, but I
felt that this
pertained to both the Ardour group and the LAU
folks (many who are on
both lists). I'm just overjoyed that I will
get
to show this stuff
and hopefully convert a few users :) I'm
also
thinking about burning
off a bunch of copies of the various
audio-focused
distros to hand out
at the seminar.
Jon M.
2:05 p.m.
New subject: Ardour-bug (was: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux Audio presentation)
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 17:41, R Parker wrote:
The remaining weakness is in producing the Table of
Contents for the CD and freewheel export direct to CD.
While you are at it: I noticed that ardour computes the samples fo the
toc-files wrong. Better: It doesn't compute them but uses the ones from 48kHz
samplingrate for a CD with 44.1kHz samplingrate which gives wrong tracks...
Costs my one CD everytime until I remember to recalculate the numbers...
Is this already in ardours bugtracker?
Arnold, who is planning to do a Linux+Audio+Ardour+Jamin+...-Show at his local
LUG end of April...
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