I second that question. I have read that this directive is something that many people are opposed to, but I also have not researched it in great depth. If anyone could point us to a clear explanation or take the time to explain the implications, I would be most grateful. Louigi Verona https://louigiverona.com/ On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 12:22:05 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: Do you really believe that people using smartphones must know about programming FPGAs ?

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 12:22:47 +0200 Anders Hellquist <lau(a)hellquist.net> wrote: Let's take a use case to illustrate. If Sound on Sound magazine does not object to having a public article of theirs being freely shared, who will then enforce the restriction despite the authors' will and on what basis ?

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 12:54:36 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: And who would that be ? And of course the world is not made only of Ariana Grande and co. Copyrights usually are lasting a but after.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 18:40:14 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: Guerilla Open Access Manifesto: https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-pussytoes,-cornflower,,-securityink}}|cut -d\ -f2 4.18.5.arch1-1 4.18.5_rt3-1 4.16.18_rt12-1 4.16.18_rt11-1 4.16.18_rt10-1

On 09/10/2018 07:40 PM, Dominique Michel wrote: May I suggest to first try to https://changecopyright.org before resorting to Guerilla methods?!

2018-09-07 19:56 GMT+02:00, jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com>om>: This has nothing to do with copyright laws, but just for the record: What Hungary (actually, the Hungarian government) is resisting is all forms of accountability. Don't listen to what they're saying (say, of migrants, of which Hungary has about 0), look at what they're doing with the money from the EU. Hungarians would love to live in a society that is declining like the Western ones do. Sorry for being totally off topic. Andras

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:32:35 +0200 Andras Simon <szajmi(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, since you expressed your opinion, I will express mine. It is of no surprise that Hungary, who tarnished by a public campaign the Soros mogul, would be accused of accountability problems. Otherwise the news are not full of that Hungarian problem isn't it. Same if one reads 'news' from the IOM (International Organization for Migration) who treat Soros with good respect: Hungary is bad, bad, bad. And there are no migrants in Hungary ? Well, they limited the acceptance of migrants to two per day in February 2018. Which is certainly reasonable. The on-topic link would be that the repressive regulation of the internet would be only one aspect of a more general repression that could be put on European populations following an eventual social chaos resulting of a massive clash, a supported clash, between the local people, the stable immigration and the new massive wave of migrants. Or as a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzAIPXfxmm8

On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 00:57:12 +0200 Michael Jarosch <riotsound(a)riotmusic.de> wrote: Sorry, who wanted to replace the Syrian government again ? Who wanted to overthrow the Syrian government by using mercenaries ? Who claimed in the news that Bachar Al-Assad was a dictator that needs to be replaced ? Which then gave the huge "Syrian migrants" wave media term of which a whole lot were not Syrians ? Not the first isn't it. You do know about March 1949 and the overthrowing of president Shukri-al-Quwatli, right after Syria has adopted a democratic structure based on the USA and has expelled all vichyssois nazi collaborators, because Al-Quwatli did not accept an American pipeline project. You know what followed afterwards. Les Brigandes are part of a group of 35 mothers living in a community. They are not linked to the Bloc Identitaire now called les Identitaires by the way. Yes, they are, amongst other things, against the massive wave of migrants due to Western countries and other interests wanting to overthrow the Syrian government for financial and other interests. And yes, antifas are known to be violent people. It rather looks like the prison is self-made in the mind. A whole lot of the people manifesting in Chemnitz were just plain people. But the prison in the mind sticks to 'exploitation' aspects of media coverage and does not go beyond even though the information is available. The prison in the mind will not check who Les Brigandes actually are. And that's another aspect of internet censorship: the censorship that happens voluntarily. The willingness to not do any 'effort' to search for /available/ information and to discriminate (oh no, not that bad word) and ponder and analyze. You can give all access to information to the masses, but if they do not want to make any step forward to actually search and think, then you can start to safely restrain that unused information. There's no will to do any search because that is delegated to 'experts'. Who then are speaking through major media outlets, offering a convenient pre-digested porridge.

On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:58:12 +0200 Michael Jarosch <riotsound(a)riotmusic.de> wrote: And be linked to violent thugs. If that's what you like. "Me me me", the Pirates cry. "Me and my friends" standing blindly for Democracy (TM) and Liberty (TM). Have you ever spent any time in Syria ? What's your impression of Maaloula when the "islamists" you are so keen to forget supported by your government were active there ? So you are antifa after all. Bearing all the reducing signs of it Manipulated to the brim of existence. Now it's a "couple of women" and not a community based on 35 mothers living by established and well-written other standards that the ones you are so prompt to support. Reducing, always going to the lowest common denominator, in information, mind, personality, life and spirit. So you haven't did the search isn't it. Afraid, not knowing how to handle what you could find. Come on, gather the courage, the guts, tell yourself that no matter what you can find you will be able to squash it, to turn it and rip it apart, be proud on the surface, a modern Ritter, totally square and very practical, and do that damn search :) Meanwhile would you like a bit more Feine Sahne Fischfilet or perhaps some K.I.Z for your better Society (TM) ?

On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 05:52:57AM -0400, jonetsu wrote: It's quite a controversial topic. I support free software, and free speech, but I firmly oppose this campaing for promoting misinformation. The directive adds resposability of copyright infrigment to the intermediares, which may be a very bad idea, but it changes nothing about copyright as they seem to suggest. Everything that is currently a copyright violation, will continue to be, with o without the new directive.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 13:25:39 +0200 Daniel Swärd <excds(a)kth.se> wrote: Hmmm... She demonstrates that one of her article on the topic was made unable to be found in google by using in 'inurl:' search form and the URL of her article. I'm only a software developer, so I do not do searches by inputting a full URL into google. After all, if I already have the URL, why would I need to find it ? Maybe I will see the light one of these days but for now that concept of trying to find what you already got simply baffles me. So instead I use google with this plain, very old fashioned, text search : "julia reda EU censorship machines" And I got pages full of links to many Reda articles, including the one she proclaims was blocked. Maybe I did something wrong.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 14:25:04 +0200 Daniel Swärd <excds(a)kth.se> wrote: It's not a good test at all I find. Why would someone input the full URL in a text search box as a test ? Is that supposed to mimic the public access to information ? No. Very, very strange way of proving any point at all. The lady might have good arguments, I haven't read, but this test is very much on the lame side of things I find. Why would someone with solid arguments do such a test ? It does not represent public access to information at all.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 14:49:09 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: This utterly uprooted. The most direct search method really used in day-to-day life by actual normal people and thus representing the people fully and its access to information assumes that you know at least the family name of the person you want to know about. Which materializes in a way akin to the following search criteria: "EU internet censorship Reda" Bingo ! The first item returned is the article. And if you do not know the name of the person: "EU internet censorship" Will return a lot of links to various information. These are real search criteria proving something. Not the uprooted senseless one provided by Reda herself who is perhaps gathering an audience by people stuck between Fatima Merkel and the far-right. It does not represent trying hard at all. It represents dumbness at best. Inputting a full URL you already know (and can directly use instead) as a search criteria to see if access to information is restricted proves nothing at all. Now if you input that URL in your browser and the result is a page that says you can't access the information, now that would very serious. Why press ? That's totally not efficient. Flexibility and quickness fares way better in fights, health and much more.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:04:19 +0200 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote: It's also incredibly self-centered. "Me ! Me ! Me !" Is that what Pirates are doing these days ? I thought they were doing: "Ar ! Ar ! Ar !"

PS: Regarding search terms, I often gave advices regarding the following on Ubuntu flavour mailing lists: http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=jackd http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=linux+jackd Sometimes there is no big difference between keywords e.g. within quotes or separated words and sometimes there is: http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=hello+kitty http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22hello+kitty%22 http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=sauer+lustig+ern%C3%A4hrung http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22sauer+lustig+ern%C3%A4hrung%22 Not only the hidden algorithms of a search engine and the user's skills how to use a search engine are important. Popularity usually is a major criterion!

Le Fri, 7 Sep 2018 13:16:15 -0400, jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> a écrit : Cliché. Both just want to sell weapons and get money and drugs in return. To protect these 3 lucrative businesses, they all use the same secret of State and make diversion with the already most weak victims of that suprematist way of life, yesterday the Jews, today the migrants. "Politics is the entertainment sector of the military-industrial complex." - Frank Zappa And that's true in Cuba, in the US, in Europa, in North and South Korea, in China, in Japan, every where. Reda's post is just an example. The main issue is that corporations spend a lot of money into political lobbying, political publicity and false ONGs, which imply even if you don't search the information, you get constantly bombarded by their propaganda. And when you search the information, independent sources get often lost into that massive propaganda, and when not, corporations, their media, false ONGs and politicians do even more propaganda in order to discredit these sources. When they cannot discredit them, we learn they get killed like the numerous radical ecologists that get killed each years for opposing mining or other industrial projects and defending their non suprematist way of life. Civilisation is a long story, it begun with Gilgamesh killing the defender of the forest to build his city. Mesopotamia is mainly the Iraqi desert today. With time and several civilisations, that suprematist way of thinking and life that place the civilised male on a pedestal against all the other beings, humans or non humans, was globalised with the colonisations and more recently industrialised, thanks to the opium war benefices which financed both in Britain and the US what is called a revolution. We are still here today, and that's the main issue. Capitalism and Marxism are just different economical tools to manage that true suprematism called civilisation, and that european "modernisation" of the copyright laws is just one more effort to try to retard the inevitable, the end of civilisation. Fukushima was wrong, that's not the end of History, but the end of a suprematist way of thinking and life called civilisation. The only unknown is to know if it will be some survivors. The so-called "sixth mass extinction" is in fact the final solution applied to the living by our way of life. Which make that appellation of "sixth mass extinction" a manipulation of the information. -- If you have a problem and you are not doing anything to fix it, you are at the heart of the problem.

Le Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:29:45 -0400, jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> a écrit : Maybe because she is some geek using some well know open source OS with so many different tool-kits than when she's clicking on an url, she never knows what will append. -- If you have a problem and you are not doing anything to fix it, you are at the heart of the problem.

No, you didn't do anything wrong. It was blocked previously, but it got fixed. The whole point was the irony of an article about automated censorship machines got blocked by such a machine... Lol...

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 17:26:39 +0400, Kevin Walker wrote: Sometimes I'm using an iPad with it's default iThingy. It's not that hard to move the cursor from the button to the top. Just a tip with your finger does the job. -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-pussytoes,-cornflower,,-securityink}}|cut -d\ -f2 4.18.5.arch1-1 4.18.5_rt3-1 4.16.18_rt12-1 4.16.18_rt11-1 4.16.18_rt10-1