26 Mar
2014
26 Mar
'14
1:25 p.m.
Hello, audiocrowd :)
Bitwig is finally released. Only DEB file (and apparently for i686
only) is available at this time for Linux.
https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/download.html
Alexandre
26 Mar
26 Mar
1:27 p.m.
On 03/26/2014 12:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Hello, audiocrowd :)
Bitwig is finally released. Only DEB file (and apparently for i686
only) is available at this time for Linux.
https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/download.html
Actually, it's 64bit
only.
7:59 p.m.
running it on archlinux (after extracting the .deb with deb2targz)
working great :)
just got access to the beta as well (can save and export)
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 03/26/2014 12:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Hello, audiocrowd :)
Bitwig is finally released. Only DEB file (and apparently for i686
only) is available at this time for Linux.
https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/download.html
Actually, it's 64bit only.
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10:13 p.m.
On 26/03/2014 19:58, Bruno Gola wrote:
running it on archlinux (after extracting the .deb
with deb2targz)
working great :)
On Debian Wheezy too!
For info, I had to install glibc 2.18 from Testing...
Congrats to the BitWig team, even it is not open sourced (yet)! ;)
Could be cool to have a demo project in the demo package.
G
27 Mar
27 Mar
10:08 a.m.
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a all-in-one-packet as people on this
list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB with
samples
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Guillaume Pellerin <lists(a)parisson.com>wrote;wrote:
On 26/03/2014 19:58, Bruno Gola wrote:
running it on archlinux (after extracting the
.deb with deb2targz)
working great :)
On Debian Wheezy too!
For info, I had to install glibc 2.18 from Testing...
Congrats to the BitWig team, even it is not open sourced (yet)! ;)
Could be cool to have a demo project in the demo package.
G
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1:55 p.m.
On 03/27/2014 05:08 AM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a
all-in-one-packet as people on
this list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB
with samples
The instrument count includes five e-drum instruments, a bit bogus sort
of list in my opinion. I must say that the other instruments are quite
serviceable, but I'll guess that most users will want to deploy their
favorite VST/VSTi plugins.
I tested its automatic beat matching with five audio samples and a MIDI
track. Bitwig performed nicely on my old TurionX2 laptop, with smooth
and responsive controls for the synths and effects modules. Btw, the
system here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with Planet CCCRMA stuff.
The "handful of plugins" includes 25 audio fx, 9 "containers"
(racks?),
and 11 "modulators, generators, note FX, and routers", all apparently
selected for their common utility.
The automation controls are cool. I'm just getting into the program,
I've looked at Ableton only briefly, so I've everything to learn about
using this kind of program.
Btw, LMMS has reached its 1.0 milestone, with nicely updated GUI and
overall performance.
Best,
dp
2:06 p.m.
I also wonder how much devaluation there is in sound quality. Are these
plugins products for the 'mp3-generation' or are they producing the same
sound quality as in AMS and Zynaddsubfx?
LMMS 1.0, with JACK support I suppose?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>wrote;wrote:
On 03/27/2014 05:08 AM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a
all-in-one-packet as people on
this list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB with
samples
The instrument count includes five e-drum instruments, a bit bogus sort of
list in my opinion. I must say that the other instruments are quite
serviceable, but I'll guess that most users will want to deploy their
favorite VST/VSTi plugins.
I tested its automatic beat matching with five audio samples and a MIDI
track. Bitwig performed nicely on my old TurionX2 laptop, with smooth and
responsive controls for the synths and effects modules. Btw, the system
here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with Planet CCCRMA stuff.
The "handful of plugins" includes 25 audio fx, 9 "containers"
(racks?),
and 11 "modulators, generators, note FX, and routers", all apparently
selected for their common utility.
The automation controls are cool. I'm just getting into the program, I've
looked at Ableton only briefly, so I've everything to learn about using
this kind of program.
Btw, LMMS has reached its 1.0 milestone, with nicely updated GUI and
overall performance.
Best,
dp
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2:56 p.m.
On 03/27/2014 08:54 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
On 03/27/2014 05:08 AM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Strike that statement from the record. The list is much longer in the
registered version, the demo version's list is a limited subset of
what's available.
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a
all-in-one-packet as people
on this list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB
with samples
The instrument count includes five e-drum instruments, a bit bogus
sort of list in my opinion. I must say that the other instruments are quite
serviceable, but I'll
guess that most users will want to deploy their favorite VST/VSTi
plugins.
I tested its automatic beat matching with five audio samples and a
MIDI track. Bitwig performed nicely on my old TurionX2 laptop, with
smooth and responsive controls for the synths and effects modules.
Btw, the system here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with Planet CCCRMA stuff.
The "handful of plugins" includes 25 audio fx, 9 "containers"
(racks?), and 11 "modulators, generators, note FX, and routers", all
apparently selected for their common utility.
The automation controls are cool. I'm just getting into the program,
I've looked at Ableton only briefly, so I've everything to learn about
using this kind of program.
To be clear, those comments apply only to the demo version.
Btw, LMMS has reached its 1.0 milestone, with nicely
updated GUI and
overall performance.
Yes, with improved JACK support. Still not perfect, but the program
overall is much improved. I'm enjoying it.
Best,
dp
8:41 p.m.
LMMS 1.0? Where?
Website says *2013-06-12*:
*LMMS 0.4.15 has been released!*
Nothing about the new version.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>wrote;wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:54 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
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On 03/27/2014 05:08 AM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Strike that statement from the record. The list is much longer in the
registered version, the demo version's list is a limited subset of what's
available.
I must say that the other instruments are quite serviceable, but I'll
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a
all-in-one-packet as people on
this list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB with
samples
The instrument count includes five e-drum instruments, a bit bogus sort
of list in my opinion.
guess that most users will want to deploy their
favorite VST/VSTi plugins.
I tested its automatic beat matching with five audio samples and a MIDI
track. Bitwig performed nicely on my old TurionX2 laptop, with smooth and
responsive controls for the synths and effects modules. Btw, the system
here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with Planet CCCRMA stuff.
The "handful of plugins" includes 25 audio fx, 9 "containers"
(racks?),
and 11 "modulators, generators, note FX, and routers", all apparently
selected for their common utility.
The automation controls are cool. I'm just getting into the program, I've
looked at Ableton only briefly, so I've everything to learn about using
this kind of program.
To be clear, those comments apply only to the demo version.
Btw, LMMS has reached its 1.0 milestone, with nicely updated GUI and
overall performance.
Yes, with improved JACK support. Still not perfect, but the program
overall is much improved. I'm enjoying it.
Best,
dp
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8:54 p.m.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/1.0.0/
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
LMMS 1.0? Where?
Website says *2013-06-12*:
*LMMS 0.4.15 has been released!*
Nothing about the new version.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>wrote;wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:54 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
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On 03/27/2014 05:08 AM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Strike that statement from the record. The list is much longer in the
registered version, the demo version's list is a limited subset of what's
available.
I must say that the other instruments are quite serviceable, but I'll
Looks nice, but I doubt whether it is a
all-in-one-packet as people on
this list talked about before.
I can only find a 7 instruments, handful of plugins and a few 100MB
with samples
The instrument count includes five e-drum instruments, a bit bogus sort
of list in my opinion.
guess that most users will want to deploy their
favorite VST/VSTi plugins.
I tested its automatic beat matching with five audio samples and a MIDI
track. Bitwig performed nicely on my old TurionX2 laptop, with smooth and
responsive controls for the synths and effects modules. Btw, the system
here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with Planet CCCRMA stuff.
The "handful of plugins" includes 25 audio fx, 9 "containers"
(racks?),
and 11 "modulators, generators, note FX, and routers", all apparently
selected for their common utility.
The automation controls are cool. I'm just getting into the program,
I've looked at Ableton only briefly, so I've everything to learn about
using this kind of program.
To be clear, those comments apply only to the demo version.
Btw, LMMS has reached its 1.0 milestone, with nicely updated GUI and
overall performance.
Yes, with improved JACK support. Still not perfect, but the program
overall is much improved. I'm enjoying it.
Best,
dp
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9:12 p.m.
I guess either they haven't updated the main page of their site, or they
don't consider v1.0.0 "released"?
On 03/27/2014 09:54 AM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/1.0.0/
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
LMMS 1.0? Where?
Website says /2013-06-12/: *LMMS 0.4.15 has been released!
*
Nothing about the new version.
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9:35 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:12 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I guess either they haven't updated the main page
of their site, or they
don't consider v1.0.0 "released"?
On 03/27/2014 09:54 AM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/1.0.0/
>
>
>
Reading the archived mailing list; Tobias Doerffel wrote that 0.9.92 would
be a preparation for 1.0
http://sourceforge.net/p/lmms/mailman/message/32083907/
So, even though there is no announce, I guess 1.0 is final release.
28 Mar
28 Mar
1:43 a.m.
---- Leonardo Palomares <leoave(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:12 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Cool. Something nice to celebrate; some FLOSS projects seems to spend forever never
reaching the magic "1.0".
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I guess either they haven't updated the main
page of their site, or they
don't consider v1.0.0 "released"?
On 03/27/2014 09:54 AM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/1.0.0/
>
>
>
Reading the archived mailing list; Tobias Doerffel wrote that 0.9.92 would
be a preparation for 1.0
http://sourceforge.net/p/lmms/mailman/message/32083907/
So, even though there is no announce, I guess 1.0 is final release. 
8:14 a.m.
Regarding bitwig, it would indeed be cool to be able to deploy one's
favourite VSTs... but those are quite often Windows VSTs given the relative
dearth of native linux ones.
So what options does one have in this regard? vst-bridge?
On 28 March 2014 08:43, <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
---- Leonardo Palomares <leoave(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
would
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:12 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> I guess either they haven't updated the main page of their site, or
they
don't
consider v1.0.0 "released"?
On 03/27/2014 09:54 AM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/1.0.0/
>
>
>
Reading the archived mailing list; Tobias Doerffel wrote that 0.9.92 be a preparation for 1.0
http://sourceforge.net/p/lmms/mailman/message/32083907/
So, even though there is no announce, I guess 1.0 is final release.
Cool. Something nice to celebrate; some FLOSS projects seems to spend
forever never reaching the magic "1.0".
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
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9:13 a.m.
It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL: vamp-aubio is in there whereas the GPL
is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the author of aubio...
http://files.parisson.com/doc/bitwig/legal.html
:'(
G
1:32 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Guillaume Pellerin wrote:
It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL: vamp-aubio is
in there whereas the GPL
is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the author of aubio...
https://twitter.com/Bitwig/status/449520272123916289
Alexandre
3:06 p.m.
On 28/03/2014 13:32, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Guillaume Pellerin
wrote:
Thank you Alexandre, it is now clearer!
G
It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL:
vamp-aubio is in there whereas the GPL
is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the author of aubio...
https://twitter.com/Bitwig/status/449520272123916289
Alexandre 
1:39 p.m.
On Friday 28 March 2014 08:34:28 Guillaume Pellerin did opine:
It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL: vamp-aubio is
in there whereas
the GPL is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the
author of aubio...
http://files.parisson.com/doc/bitwig/legal.html
:'(
G
Two files are GPLv3. But the way I read the rest of that, its a minefield,
full of bouncing betties for the un-aware. I wouldn't advise downloading it
until those restrictions are lifted, every one of them. Otherwise you
could find yourself in a legal quagmire.
Cheers, Gene
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2:49 p.m.
On 28/03/14 23:39, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 28 March 2014 08:34:28 Guillaume Pellerin
did opine:
nothing in that document seems wrong ... most of it is BSD style licenses and
the appropriate acknowledgements are there, a few are LGPL, which certainly
allow use linked to closed code, and there is an offer to deliver source code
at cost of delivery. Perhaps including the sources for those parts alongside the
deb would have been a bit nicer, but they are libraries distributed for use with
closed code and especially if they are simply used as the original binaries then
all seems appropriate. None of the authors chose strict copyleft licenses.
Simon
It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL:
vamp-aubio is in there whereas
the GPL is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the
author of aubio...
http://files.parisson.com/doc/bitwig/legal.html
:'(
G
Two files are GPLv3. But the way I read the rest of that, its a minefield,
full of bouncing betties for the un-aware. I wouldn't advise downloading it
until those restrictions are lifted, every one of them. Otherwise you
could find yourself in a legal quagmire.
3:14 p.m.
On 28/03/2014 14:49, Simon Wise wrote:
Maybe I haven't been clear enough.. The current BitWig package includes vamp-aubio:
$ ls /opt/bitwig-studio/bin/vamp-plugins/
transient-detector.so vamp-aubio.so
but vamp-aubio embeds libaubio which is GPL and then should be a least
mentioned. But as Alexandre got it from the BitWig team on twitter, aubio is not
used anymore by the app and will be removed from it.
G
On 28/03/14 23:39, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 28 March 2014 08:34:28 Guillaume Pellerin did opine:
>
>> It seems that BitWig infringes the GPL: vamp-aubio is in there whereas
>> the GPL is not mentioned in legal.html, neither Paul Brossier, the
>> author of aubio...
>>
>> http://files.parisson.com/doc/bitwig/legal.html
>>
>> :'(
>>
>> G
>
> Two files are GPLv3.
No, only LGPLv3 is mentioned..
But the way I read the rest of that, its a minefield,
full of
bouncing betties for the un-aware. I wouldn't advise downloading it
until those restrictions are lifted, every one of them. Otherwise you
could find yourself in a legal quagmire.
nothing in that document seems wrong ... most of it is BSD style licenses and
the appropriate acknowledgements are there, a few are LGPL, which certainly
allow use linked to closed code, and there is an offer to deliver source code
at cost of delivery. Perhaps including the sources for those parts alongside the
deb would have been a bit nicer, but they are libraries distributed for use with
closed code and especially if they are simply used as the original binaries then
all seems appropriate. None of the authors chose strict copyleft licenses.
8:18 a.m.
On 03/26/2014 01:27 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
Actually, it's 64bit only.
Seems it's time to go 64bit (crunchbang). Are there any drawbacks,
issues or considerations vs 32bits?
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9:09 a.m.
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 08:17 +0100, Atte wrote:
Are there any drawbacks, issues or considerations vs
32bits?
There are not really drawbacks, there are just a few exceptions 32-bit
is needed for, but as you can see, there at least is one
exception/drawback for 32-bit architecture, you can't run Bitwig.
10:55 p.m.
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 09:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 08:17 +0100, Atte wrote:
PS: I forgot to mention multi-arch ;). A 32-bit chroot always was
possible, but nowadays many distros provide multi-arch, IOW 32-bit
architecture for 64-bit installs.
PPS: On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 15:58 -0300, Bruno Gola wrote:
Are there any drawbacks, issues or considerations
vs 32bits?
There are not really drawbacks, there are just a few exceptions 32-bit
is needed for, but as you can see, there at least is one
exception/drawback for 32-bit architecture, you can't run Bitwig. running it on archlinux (after extracting the .deb
with deb2targz)
Thanks for the "deb2targz" hint.
JFTR it's provided by the AUR,
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/deb2targz/
I build deb2targz yesterday, but I'm not sure, if I want to spend time
to test Bitwig.
9:10 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Atte <atte(a)youmail.dk> wrote:
On 03/26/2014 01:27 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
Probably... Being able to use more than 2-3 GB RAM is nice. If nothing
else, Linux uses the "unused" RAM as a lightning fast disk cache. :-)
Actually, it's 64bit only.
Seems it's time to go 64bit (crunchbang). Are there any drawbacks, issues or considerations vs
32bits?
I've been running 64 bit since the early x86_64 days (Athlon 64 and
late Pentium 4 CPUs), mostly Gentoo. Back then, there were some
applications and the odd library that wouldn't compile to 64 bit, but
I haven't had issues with that for years now. 64 bit was tried and
tested on Linux long before it went "mainstream," so people have had
plenty of time to fix their code.
That said, it's nice if the distro can still run 32 bit code out of
the box (pretty much standard these days...?), as it's not entirely
trivial to set up manually, and one may still run into the odd 32 bit
binary.
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5:35 p.m.
Am 26.03.2014 13:27, schrieb Filipe Coelho:
On 03/26/2014 12:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
I have it running here in Kubuntu 12.10 64, works amazingly stable given
the experience from the beta 8 months or so ago... 30 Tracks including 2
synths running 3-4h with even playing Minecraft in the background (must
hunt these chicken and make some more arrows to protect my NPCs, there
is no alternative... ;-) )and there is not a single xrun with Jack set
to 8ms latency....
The only bugger is a bogus error at startup regarding port audio, I only
hope, they drop that for good and equip the LInuxversion with a native
Jack-connection....
best regards
HZN
Hello, audiocrowd :)
Bitwig is finally released. Only DEB file (and apparently for i686
only) is available at this time for Linux.
https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/download.html
Actually, it's 64bit
only.
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6:12 p.m.
Portaudio... hmmm.... :(
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de>wrote;wrote:
Am 26.03.2014 13:27, schrieb Filipe Coelho:
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On 03/26/2014 12:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
wrote:
I have it running here in Kubuntu 12.10 64, works amazingly stable given
the experience from the beta 8 months or so ago... 30 Tracks including 2
synths running 3-4h with even playing Minecraft in the background (must
hunt these chicken and make some more arrows to protect my NPCs, there
is no alternative... ;-) )and there is not a single xrun with Jack set
to 8ms latency....
The only bugger is a bogus error at startup regarding port audio, I only
hope, they drop that for good and equip the LInuxversion with a native
Jack-connection....
best regards
HZN
Hello, audiocrowd :)
Bitwig is finally released. Only DEB file (and apparently for i686
only) is available at this time for Linux.
https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/download.html
Actually, it's 64bit
only.
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29 Mar
11:15 a.m.
On 03/28/2014 05:35 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
The only bugger is a bogus error at startup regarding
port audio, I only
hope, they drop that for good and equip the LInuxversion with a native
Jack-connection....
Price is a bit high maybe for software with portaudio :/
@Atte, how are you experiences so far? Converted yet, to Bitwig? :)
1:31 p.m.
Am 29.03.2014 11:15, schrieb rosea.grammostola:
On 03/28/2014 05:35 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
True, Port Audio is meh...
Anyway, I got an upgrade today to 1.0.3 and now I do not get any bogus
error-reports from PA anymore and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
Only my USB-Midi Keyboard is not connected, though detected and seen by
Bitwig. Bitwig does not create any visible MIDI-Ports in ALSA or Jack
MIDI...
The only bugger is a bogus error at startup
regarding port audio, I only
hope, they drop that for good and equip the LInuxversion with a native
Jack-connection....
Price is a bit high maybe for software with portaudio :/
@Atte, how are you experiences so far? Converted yet, to Bitwig? :)
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3:50 p.m.
On 03/29/2014 10:43 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Unfortunately it's how many (most?) Portaudio clients behave with their
JACK connections. Very irritating with Audacity, for instance.
Best,
dp
and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
off
4:03 p.m.
On Sat, 2014-03-29 at 10:50 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Audacity
Ok, an Audacity like behaviour even can't be handled by software like
aj-snapshot. Or am I'm mistaken? I never used "-d,--daemon Restore
ALSA and/or JACK connections until terminated". Jackd usage for Audacity
simply is broken, but perhaps aj-snapshot is able to handle this, I
never tested it.
4:13 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:50:33AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Unfortunately it's how many (most?) Portaudio
clients behave with
their JACK connections. Very irritating with Audacity, for instance.
Or even some apps with a 'native' Jack interface, Pd for example.
And it gets it even worse for midi.
Ciao,
--
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4:51 p.m.
New subject: OT: Bitwig 1.0 is out
On Sat, 2014-03-29 at 15:13 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
And it gets it even worse for midi.
Using several identical cards for MIDI, I e.g. use 2 identical Envy24
cards for MIDI, is a PITA with Linux.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ aplaymidi -l
Port Client name Port name
14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0
16:0 RME AIO_579bcc HDSPMx579bcc MIDI 1
20:0 TerraTec EWX24/96 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI
24:0 TerraTec EWX24/96 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI
28:0 USB Device 0x170b:0x11 USB Device 0x170b:0x11 MIDI 1
32:0 nanoKONTROL nanoKONTROL MIDI 1
MIDI connections for the two TerraTec cards have to be made manually all
the times, automatically restore of MIDI connections is/or at least
seems to be impossible.
4:29 p.m.
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014, Dave Phillips wrote:
On 03/29/2014 10:43 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
What I find most irritating about Audacity is that it opens the jack ports
at the time the record/play is selected rather than at application
startup. This means I have to redo the jack connections every time the
record button is clicked rather than being able to set it up once when the
application starts, set my levels and then do my work. Ardour is a bit
much for just straight recording a stream, mhwaveedit does the jack part
right, but lacks some of audacity's plugins etc.
(I haven't used audacity for a while, maybe this is fixed?)
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Unfortunately it's how many (most?) Portaudio clients behave with their JACK
connections. Very irritating with Audacity, for instance. and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
off 
30 Mar
30 Mar
7:56 p.m.
On 03/29/2014 03:50 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:
On 03/29/2014 10:43 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
You can disable this, in Audacity autoconnecting is done here:
http://code.google.com/p/audacity/source/browse/audacity-src/trunk/lib-src/…
And then at line 1771. Iirc uncommenting the two if stanzas should do
the trick. At line 88 you can change the client name btw, could be handy
too.
Bye,
Jeremy
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Unfortunately it's how many (most?) Portaudio clients behave with their
JACK connections. Very irritating with Audacity, for instance.
Best,
dp and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
off
8:39 p.m.
On 03/30/2014 01:56 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 03/29/2014 03:50 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:
Thanks, Jeremy. I do sometimes build Audacity, I'll edit the code next
time and let you know how the changes worked.
Best,
dp
On 03/29/2014 10:43 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
You can disable this, in Audacity autoconnecting is done here:
http://code.google.com/p/audacity/source/browse/audacity-src/trunk/lib-src/…
And then at line 1771. Iirc uncommenting the two if stanzas should do
the trick. At line 88 you can change the client name btw, could be handy
too.
Bye,
Jeremy
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Unfortunately it's how many (most?) Portaudio clients behave with their
JACK connections. Very irritating with Audacity, for instance.
Best,
dp and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
off
31 Mar
31 Mar
11:23 a.m.
It's possible to drag a midi file into a track, so you can use Bitwig
for advanced midi editing if you need it for your hit record.
Same for audio of course.
That's good to know and have on Linux.
29 Mar
29 Mar
3:54 p.m.
On Sat, 2014-03-29 at 15:43 +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Assumed "proper behaviour" shouldn't be supported, then perhaps
aj-snapshot removing everything, before restoring might be an
option ;)?!
I don't care about session mangers or what ever apps provide, I still
prefer scripts to (re)start audio sessions.
and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
off
4:11 p.m.
Am 29.03.2014 15:43, schrieb rosea.grammostola:
On 03/29/2014 01:31 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
It needs to be turned on actually in Bitwig.
This did not work before though, even if you choosed system to be
automatically connected, you had to connect the ports by hand.
and Bitwig is connected automatically to
Jack's system ports....
This is not proper behavior if you can't turn it
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