i dont quite know how to do this any more.. getting to wits end still going with usb audio stuff have tried with and without the devfs stuff in modules.conf have tried with alsa tarballs and without them have tried instructions as per kevin's site nothing seems to be working: xmms says this: [root@hamish miriam]# ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such device similiar results for alsaplayer please help! i'm at my wits end! ;-) cant explain why it would work 2 days ago and wont work now i've tried repeating everything i did then (which was just to make sure mandrake libalsa2-devel and libalsa-data rpms were installed and then clean out modules and install again from tarballs. it worked, i dont know how it worked but it did). the only thing i can think of is those weird warning messages i got when building alsa-driver, it was something about the records in /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/ saying that this was the same location i have used before does anyone know what this means? or how i should proceed? thanks m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? info(a)copyleftmedia.org.uk www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \ cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense ***