24 Nov
2008
24 Nov
'08
10:34 p.m.
Hi all,
I have the latest rosegarden (RG) connected to my korg oasys via a
midisport 2x2 just fine. However, RG doesn't have a piano roll UI like
timidity does - which I use to learn complex piano pieces that don't
have sheet music, My goal: route the midi out of RG to both my korg
and timidity simultaneously. Is that possible?
I'm a jack newbie, but via QJackCtl I was able to take this screenshot
showing my alsa connections:
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_alsa.png
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_audio.png
The "midi" pane in the connections window is blank. I started timidity
with "-Oj" , but don't hava timidity in the alsa pane. Here's a
scrrenshot of my options to add an output socket:
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_output_socket.png
Any ideas?
Robert
25 Nov
25 Nov
12:01 a.m.
If you want to learn the piano music from sheet music, why not just use
Rosegarden to output the sheet music?
robert lazarski wrote:
Hi all,
I have the latest rosegarden (RG) connected to my korg oasys via a
midisport 2x2 just fine. However, RG doesn't have a piano roll UI like
timidity does - which I use to learn complex piano pieces that don't
have sheet music,
--
David
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7:44 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
robert lazarski wrote:
The RG matrix editor doesn't seperate 16 channels vertically in one
window like timidity does. For example, some of the midi files I use
have a seperate channel for right hand and left hand. It may seem odd
using timidity when I have a top end korg(which doesn't have a piano
roll either), but for me its layout is great for learning some songs.
Another poster mentioned using RG to export sheet music, which is an
idea. Still, I'd like to see if jack can do what I'm looking - split
the midi out from RG to my midisport and to timidity - and see where
that gets me.
Thanks,
- R
Hi all,
I have the latest rosegarden (RG) connected to my korg oasys via a
midisport 2x2 just fine. However, RG doesn't have a piano roll UI like
timidity does ...
RG's Matrix editor isn't what you're looking for ?
Best,
dp
27 Nov
27 Nov
4:18 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:44 AM, robert lazarski
<robertlazarski(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
It should be trivial to connect rosegarden to both the midisport and
to timidity using the qjackctl patch bay interface.
robert lazarski wrote:
The RG matrix editor doesn't seperate 16 channels vertically in one
window like timidity does. For example, some of the midi files I use
have a seperate channel for right hand and left hand. It may seem odd
using timidity when I have a top end korg(which doesn't have a piano
roll either), but for me its layout is great for learning some songs.
Another poster mentioned using RG to export sheet music, which is an
idea. Still, I'd like to see if jack can do what I'm looking - split
the midi out from RG to my midisport and to timidity - and see where
that gets me.
Thanks,
- R
Hi all,
I have the latest rosegarden (RG) connected to my korg oasys via a
midisport 2x2 just fine. However, RG doesn't have a piano roll UI like
timidity does ...
RG's Matrix editor isn't what you're looking for ?
Best,
dp
5:44 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Justin Smith <noisesmith(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It should be trivial to connect rosegarden to both the
midisport and
to timidity using the qjackctl patch bay interface.
I'm a jack newbie, so that's where I need some help. Via QJackCtl I
was able to take these screenshots
showing my alsa connections:
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_alsa.png
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_audio.png
The "midi" pane in the connections window is blank. I started timidity
with "-Oj" , but don't hava timidity in the alsa pane. Here's a
scrrenshot of my options to add an output socket:
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_output_socket.png
So with that setup, how do a make it "trivial to connect rosegarden to
both the midisport and
to timidity" ? So far its not jumping out at me how to do it.
Thanks,
- R
6:09 a.m.
robert lazarski wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Justin Smith
<noisesmith(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
on the qjackctl connections widget:
- audio tab is for jack-audio client connections;
- midi tab is for jack-midi client connections;
- alsa tab is for alsa-sequencer midi client connections--unrelated to
jack but rather convenient to have nearby :)
It should be trivial to connect rosegarden to
both the midisport
and to timidity using the qjackctl patch bay interface.
I'm a jack newbie, so that's where I need some help. Via QJackCtl I
was able to take these screenshots showing my alsa connections:
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_alsa.png
http://braziloutsource.com/random/jack_audio.png
The "midi" pane in the connections window is blank. I started timidity with "-Oj" , but
don't hava timidity in the alsa
pane.
you need to start timidity as an alsa-sequencer client for input as well
_and_ as a jack-audio client for output, which you already did. maybe
you're missing a command line option, say "-iA" ?
byee
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
28 Nov
28 Nov
10:23 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> wrote:
robert lazarski wrote:
Well I'm almost there. I ran this:
timidity -iA -B2,8 -Oj -EFreverb=0
And can connect RG to both my korg and timidity. I still have two problems:
1) "timidity -iA" doesn't have an user interface, what I really want
is to add "-iat" to get a piano role. If I run:
timidity -iA -B2,8 -Oj -EFreverb=0 -iat
Then its not started in in "ALSA server mode" . Is there no way to launch
timidity to be both in "ALSA server mode" and with a UI?
2) The sound coming from timidity when connected to RG is like a
staticy echo tunnel. I usually will have timidity muted as I just need
its piano roll, but it'd be nice to figure out the problem.
Thanks,
Robert
I started timidity with "-Oj" , but
don't hava timidity in the alsa
pane.
you need to start timidity as an alsa-sequencer client for input as well
_and_ as a jack-audio client for output, which you already did. maybe you're
missing a command line option, say "-iA" ?
2:38 p.m.
On Viernes, Noviembre 28, 2008, robert lazarski wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Rui Nuno Capela
<rncbc(a)rncbc.org> wrote:
Ah, I've just understood now what you want. You said "piano roll" (1), but
you
meant "pianola" or "piano player" (2). Right?
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_roll
(2) http://www.pianola.org/history/history_pianoplayers.cfm
I think that you can't tell Timidity to use GUI and ALSA interfaces at the
same time, Sorry. Maybe you want to try a different program?
VMPK can highlight the keys on a piano keyboard, according to the played MIDI
notes from another program like Rosegarden. But only one channel each time.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmpk/
Another program that you may want to try is kmid. It is a MIDI/karaoke player:
http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/kmid.html
Regards,
Pedro
robert lazarski wrote:
Well I'm almost there. I ran this:
timidity -iA -B2,8 -Oj -EFreverb=0
And can connect RG to both my korg and timidity. I still have two problems:
1) "timidity -iA" doesn't have an user interface, what I really want
is to add "-iat" to get a piano role. If I run:
timidity -iA -B2,8 -Oj -EFreverb=0 -iat
Then its not started in in "ALSA server mode" . Is there no way to launch
timidity to be both in "ALSA server mode" and with a UI?
2) The sound coming from timidity when connected to RG is like a
staticy echo tunnel. I usually will have timidity muted as I just need
its piano roll, but it'd be nice to figure out the problem. I started timidity with "-Oj" , but
don't hava timidity in the alsa
pane.
you need to start timidity as an alsa-sequencer client for input as well
_and_ as a jack-audio client for output, which you already did. maybe
you're missing a command line option, say "-iA" ?
29 Nov
29 Nov
12:31 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Viernes, Noviembre 28, 2008, robert lazarski
wrote:
Yeah, that's what I meant. RG's great for me but it doesn't have a 16
channel "pianola" like timidity does,
timidity -iA -B2,8 -Oj -EFreverb=0 -iat
Then its not started in in "ALSA server mode" . Is there no way to launch
timidity to be both in "ALSA server mode" and with a UI?
Ah, I've just understood now what you want. You said "piano roll"
(1), but you
meant "pianola" or "piano player" (2). Right?
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_roll
(2) http://www.pianola.org/history/history_pianoplayers.cfm
I think that you can't tell Timidity to use GUI
and ALSA interfaces at the
same time, Sorry. Maybe you want to try a different program?
VMPK can highlight the keys on a piano keyboard, according to the played MIDI
notes from another program like Rosegarden. But only one channel each time.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmpk/
I tried for about an hour to get the output of RG into vmpk, but I had
no luck. I tried about every connection possible in qjackctl. I can
connect RG to timidity and get sound easily - though the sound it
horribly distorted - so something isn't right with vmpk or how I'm
using it. Has anyone conected RG to vmpk? What output/inputs worked?
Another program that you may want to try is kmid. It
is a MIDI/karaoke player:
http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/kmid.html
The kmid UI actually has a better "pianola" for me than tiimidity,
thanks. Unfortunately I don't think it accepts an input like from RG,
otherwise it'd be perfect . At least I looked hard and couldn't find
any inputs. I was able to connect kmid to my Korg though, so its at
least an alternative to RG for me if it indeed doesn't have any
inputs.
Thanks for the ideas,
Robert
6:57 p.m.
robert lazarski wrote:
There is some bug in vmpk triggered when Rosegarden connects and disconnects
its ports, that renders vmpk input unusable. Please fill a bug report in vmpk
tracker, so I will keep you informed when it is fixed.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1100307&group_id=236429
Meanwhile, here is temporal recipe.
1. Start vmpk alone, and open the connections dialog. Select the "Enable MIDI
input" checkbox, and also "Enable MIDI Thru on MIDI output". On "Input
MIDI
Connection", select "Midi Through:0". The Output MIDI Connection should be
your external MIDI synth. The Midi Through port is a special ALSA device
(load it with "modprobe snd_seq_dummy" as root if you don't see this
device).
Close vmpk to automatically save its configuration.
2. Start Rosegarden, and load the song you want. Use the "studio" dialog to
prepare a device connected to "14:0 Midi Through Port-0", and give it a
meaningful name. The banks/programs names don't matter, but you can load for
this device the rgd corresponding to your external synth. Assign this device
to the tracks you want to display in vmpk, verifying the correct channel
number.
3. Now, start vmpk again. The configuration should be remembered since the
last run. Don't change anything. Press play in Rosegarden and enjoy.
If you load another song, or change something in Rosegarden studio or in vmpk
connections, it is possible to trigger the bug. In this case, the only
solution is to close vmpk and restart it again.
If you want to try a replacement for vmpk, google "jack-keyboard".
kmid has no input ports. It is only a player.
Regards,
Pedro
I think that
you can't tell Timidity to use GUI and ALSA interfaces at
the same time, Sorry. Maybe you want to try a different program?
VMPK can highlight the keys on a piano keyboard, according to the played
MIDI notes from another program like Rosegarden. But only one channel
each time. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmpk/
I tried for about an hour to get the output of RG into vmpk, but I had
no luck. I tried about every connection possible in qjackctl. I can
connect RG to timidity and get sound easily - though the sound it
horribly distorted - so something isn't right with vmpk or how I'm
using it. Has anyone conected RG to vmpk? What output/inputs worked? Another
program that you may want to try is kmid. It is a MIDI/karaoke
player: http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/kmid.html
The kmid UI actually has a better "pianola" for me than tiimidity,
thanks. Unfortunately I don't think it accepts an input like from RG,
otherwise it'd be perfect . At least I looked hard and couldn't find
any inputs. I was able to connect kmid to my Korg though, so its at
least an alternative to RG for me if it indeed doesn't have any
inputs.
30 Nov
30 Nov
11:02 a.m.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There is some bug in vmpk triggered when Rosegarden
connects and disconnects
its ports, that renders vmpk input unusable. Please fill a bug report in vmpk
tracker, so I will keep you informed when it is fixed.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1100307&group_id=236429
Meanwhile, here is temporal recipe.
I got that to work, thanks! Here's the bug report:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2364787&gr…
Displaying more than one pianola channel and having all 88 keys fit in
one screen would be nice, but vpmk looks promising and I'm going to
try working with it and see how I can get,
- R
12:54 p.m.
robert lazarski wrote:
Thanks! Fixed now. Available a new release 0.2.3
ChangeLog
2008-11-30 0.2.3
* fix for bug #2364787 Rosegarden renders vmpk input unusable
* optimization for Linux: do not create an ALSA queue
I've uploaded new source and openSUSE RPM packages.
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vmpk/vmpk-0.2.3.tar.bz2
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vmpk/vmpk-0.2.3.tar.gz
http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=ALL&p=1&q=vmpk
There is some
bug in vmpk triggered when Rosegarden connects and
disconnects its ports, that renders vmpk input unusable. Please fill a
bug report in vmpk tracker, so I will keep you informed when it is fixed.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=1100307&group_id=236429
Meanwhile, here is temporal recipe.
I got that to work, thanks! Here's the bug report:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2364787&gr…
36429&atid=1100307 Displaying more than one pianola channel and having
all 88 keys fit in
one screen would be nice, but vpmk looks promising and I'm going to
try working with it and see how I can get,
Menu: Edit->Preferences. Set "Number of octaves" to 8 and also "Base
octave"
to 2 or less. With so many keys in the screen the size of the keyboard shall
decrease accordingly. About the other question: you can run more than one
instance of the program at a time, but I think it is not very comfortable.
Maybe you want to open some feature requests at SourceForge? ;-)
BTW: everybody is welcome to contribute with feedback, bug reports, feature
requests, code, patches, ohloh stack entries, comments...
Regards,
Pedro
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