Keep in mind that they sell DVDs and ask for donations, but that they don't provide a user mailing list! Very often Mint users can't get help by the Mint Forums and ask for help on Ubuntu mailing lists. While Ubuntu users are willing to help Mint users, it's often impossible to help, since from an Ubuntu user's point of view Mint packages are third party packages. IMO it's foolish to use Mint. What is the reason to prefer an Ubuntu derivative over an official Ubuntu flavour? "What is this list for? ubuntu-users is a mailing list staffed by volunteer community members to provide technical support to Ubuntu Users. Users of Ubuntu and officially supported derivatives (Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu [1]) can get support here. Users of derivatives (such as Backtrack and Linux Mint) are not officially supported." - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUsersListFAQ#FAQ1 [1] the list of Ubuntu flavours is incomplete, however, apart from the ubuntu-users mailing list, the flavours have their own mailing lists, for example Ubuntu Studio https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users.

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 08:33 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: That is something completely different, since 1. Ubuntu has a huge users base and provides quite good support, e.g. by mailing lists. Mint doesn't. 2. Take a look at the Debian tracker, for example https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ardour on the right side the Ubuntu link is available, Debian and Ubuntu do cooperate. There is no direct cooperation with Mint. 3. Ubuntu takes over responsibility, for example https://usn.ubuntu.com/ Note, I'm an Arch Linux user. I'm an advocate of official Ubuntu flavours, because Ubuntu IMO is a really good trade-off for those who need a helping hand.

On February 16, 2019 10:47:32 PM HST, Hermann Meyer <brummer-(a)web.de> wrote: I've had great results using Debian Testing and Xubuntu 18 + the kxstudio repositories on different machines. Recommended. -- David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 09:47:32 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: I never claimed that a derivative is bad per se. My argument always was and still is, that Ubuntu provides an infrastructure that AFAIK isn't provided by Mint. IMO the infrastructure provided by official Ubuntu flavours is way better, than what is provided by Mint. I might be mistaken, if so, somebody who knows better should chime in. I don't see anything polemic in my replies. Apart of a few Ubuntu Wiki entries I edited and being present on Ubuntu mailing lists, I'm not involved in Ubuntu's infrastructure and I'm absolutely not emotionally biased, since Ubuntu isn't the preferred distro of my choice. My (rational) reasoning is based upon the facts I'm aware of. I might miss some facts, if so, feel free to mention the facts pro Mint.

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 10:34 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: Ok, that's what you see. Perhaps the OP is more interested about your opinion regarding pros and cons of Mint, instead of your unexplained opinion about my replies. Do you actually recommend Mint? If so, why do you recommend Mint, if not, why don't you recommend Mint? To badmouth another opinion without providing facts is easy. It's not that easy to answer the OPs request by providing facs. Consider to answer the OP's request, providing facts con or pro Mint, too. At the moment all you do is trolling.

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 11:14 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: Actually you didn't contribute at all, you are just a Troll who didn't clarify anything. You replies are nothing but noise, irrelevant traffic.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 11:14:41 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: :D I never mentioned that derivatives are bad per se. I try to help the OP to make a decision pro or con Mint and I only explained why I'm against Mint. What has that does to do with my good, bad or ugly ego :D? Actually I just explained my reasoning for being con Mint and pro Ubuntu(/Debian). Don't ask, if you dislike to get a reply!

On 2/17/19 7:13 AM, David Runge wrote: I hate to jump into a derailed thread, but I looks to me like Ralf was attacked for voicing a realistic opinion. Should you use Mint for audio? I do. I recently switched to Mint after years of using Ubuntu because, for reasons I can't explain, Mint 19 is more stable than three flavors of Ubuntu 18 on my system. However, Ubuntu is clearly better for audio support. And while the two operating systems are nearly identical under the GUI, there are a few important differences that might confuse someone who would ask the question "Linux Mint for audio?"

Am 17.02.19 um 19:26 schrieb Chris Cannam: On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 08:33 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: So this is a attack of a realistic opinion? Come on, . .

Am 17.02.19 um 19:47 schrieb Chris Cannam: This point isn't about any support channel, it's just a polemic claim about what "is naturally" better than a other choice. That is what I'mcriticize. As well, I wrote that the other stances Ralf made been good, far better then just this one. Also, don't forget, Ralf haven't any experience with Mint, so all he wrote is just "from what I hear". To say the least, I'm as well ain't use Mint, my wife does, she's satisfied with it, but, she's ain't a musician.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019, 19:43 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net wrote: Well, I did use a Mint LTS for a number of years, and actually agree with much of what you said - I wouldn't use it again. A number of issues that were fixed in upstream Ubuntu never made it downstream, and it became quite frustrating. The much larger Ubuntu user base is reflected in a better user experience in my opinion. Best wishes, Neil

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:42:47 +0000, djdualcore(a)protonmail.com wrote: Mint could do the job without issues, but not necessarily does the job without issues. Ubuntu usually is easier to use by default, but as another subscriber already pointed out, 18.x releases of official Ubuntu flavours tend to cause issues on some machines. My opinion isn't based upon experiences with Linux Mint and installs of Ubuntu > 16.04, while on my machine Ubuntu 18.x live media are not without issues. It's just an opinion based upon my impression of the infrastructure, such as support channels, a security team etc.: IMO Ubuntu is very close to Mint, but I suspect that Ubuntu provides a more reliable infrastructure. If I wouldn't use Arch Linux, I most likely would use Ubuntu or Debian or even an RPM package management major distro such as Fedora or Suse, but most unlikely I would tend to migrate to Mint.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:01:54 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: That is most likely the only statement all of us are able to agree and if using Mint or another distro, you could expect help from almost all subscribers of this list. However, take a look at the Mint forums, as well as on e.g. Ubuntu support channels. You are the only one who could value if Mint fits to your skills as well as to your needs or if e.g. Ubuntu might be or might not be the better solution regarding your skills and needs.

On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 00:49 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Pff, really? You really guess that a common verbal "negative" "issue" isn't null and void for real humans who are aware of the context? Is this really your last resort? I am sorry for you!

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 01:07:30 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Du bist so versessen darauf mir eins reinzuwürgen, dass Du so einen belanglosen Fehler, wie er von Len gemacht wurde, der sich aber im Kontext selbst erklärt, heranziehst um klarzustellen, dass Du mehr drauf hast als ich? Ey, mir ist es vollkommen wurscht ob Du mehr drauf hast als ich oder nicht. Ich gewinne nichts dadurch das ich gerade besser dastehe als Du und ich würde auch nichts verlieren, wenn ich schlechter dastehen würde als Du. Bist Du Dir bewusst darüber, dass wir hier über eine Mailing Liste kommunizieren und dies absolut keine Relevanz hat, wie toll oder nicht toll wir sind?

David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> writes: [Nothing relevant for this list] I apologize for not checking the headers before sending that reply. Receiving a rant in German I just wrongly assumed that this was not sent to the list in general. I should have checked. Sorry for the noise. -- David Kastrup

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019, david wrote: My experience is that HT is ok at 64/2 but starts to have problems at lower latency. This doesn't matter for most recording where the audio can be run at 1024/2 but when using the computer as a live synth or guitar effects unit, it matters. My general thought is that if something matters at a lower latency... sooner or later it will bite with a "stray" xrun even at a higher latency. In recent intel chips with "Boost", Performance mode means set the cpu speed to rated speed. However, at higher cpu use the speed will still go up and down between the limmits of rated speed and max boost speed. Going up does not seem to be a problem, but going down does. Also, Boost is temperature controlled... this means that the cpu is running closer to the maximum temperature and if it gets too close the speed will go below rated speed to cool down. Temperature control uses cpu time... but the code is not controlled by the OS and over temperature events tend to do bad things to audio. So it is worth turning Boost off to give a steady clock frequency. (I have in the past found that setting speed to 800Mhz does better audio than "ondemand" at 1.6Ghz) By watching temperatures while running the cpu(s) at 100% (build Ardour for example) I have found that I could actually run at a higher speed than preformance by setting min/max speeds rither than a governor. However, I don't do this because I know that things like dust and wearing fans will change this over time and rated speed does give some headroom. Anyway, I set jack to 16/2 and tweak for (hopefully) no xruns or best case. Then I am pretty sure I have done the best I can do at higher latency. (I turn cron off too while recording) I have a PCI audio device, USB devices will not do 16/2... 16/3 maybe, probably 32/* is a better target for USB. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 23:12:20 -1000 david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote: The biggest problem I find with laptops is that they stick all USB ports on the same internal hub, even though the underlying system supports 5 or 6. Grrr! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

Xubuntu 18.04 + RT kernel + KXStudio repositories. Or Debian Testing + RT kernal + KXStudio. Debian Testing's a bit more tricky sometimes, so Xubuntu is probably better shoice. My laptop does audio, graphics, writing stories and poetry, general stuff like that. On 2/17/19 12:42 PM, djdualcore(a)protonmail.com wrote: -- David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:30:14 +0100, Michael Zoet wrote: Yes, more or less each Linux distro has got it pros and cons. Yes, it has to do with taste, but... ...no, it's not just a matter of taste, it also important to take skills and needs into account.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:26:00 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps I used a Mint live media, I can't say for sure :D. -- I still suspect that some people project their characters onto mine.

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 08:33 +0100, Hermann Meyer wrote: It certainly doesn't add to the conversation. It doesn't help OP. It draws unnecessary attention to another user's comments. You could have simply addressed OP with a contrary opinion or shown, in the nicest way possible, that Ralf was wrong (if you had any evidence). Just sayin'.