28 Oct
2011
28 Oct
'11
8:05 p.m.
I made a little explosion sound effect generator, the idea being to help out people
looking for such things for making video games, and so on. It relies on portaudio,
libsndfile, and gtk2.
I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to DSP, so probably some of you
will laugh when you see my algorithms. But it does more or less make explosion sounds.
It's here:
http://smcameron.github.com/explodomatica
Enjoy
-- steve
29 Oct
29 Oct
4:09 a.m.
Very cool. I was playing around with it. I do have one suggestion though:
It seems you are introducing unwanted artifacts due to clipping.
First, you probably don't want clipping. However, it is showing up, even in
your demo samples.
Second, you might want clipping (Probably we've ingrained digital clipping
in our perception of explosion sounds), but if you do, you're not clipping
in the right way. I haven't looked at your code, but because I had the
exact same symptoms while using libsndfile, I'm guessing that what you are
doing is feeding libsndfile floats with values >1 or <-1. If you want
proper clipping, these samples would be pulled to the closest value within
the range [-1,1]. However, due to performance reasons (I'm guessing), this
is not what libsndfile does, but instead it wraps around. So 1.1 will be
interpreted as the amplitude of -0.9.
Here's what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/sselM.png
That image is from demo0.wav. This causes the "clicking" artifacts you hear
in the file. In order to fix this, just go through and find any samples > 1
and replace them with 1, and similarly with -1, right before you write the
data out with libsndfile. This should give you proper "chopped peaks"
clipping. Or, if you don't want clipping at all, just calculate the max
amplitude and divide every sample by it before outputting.
Good luck and thanks,
Jeremy
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
I made a little explosion sound effect generator, the idea being to help
out people looking for such things for making video games, and so on. It
relies on portaudio, libsndfile, and gtk2.
I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to DSP, so probably some
of you will laugh when you see my algorithms. But it does more or less make
explosion sounds.
It's here:
http://smcameron.github.com/explodomatica
Enjoy
-- steve
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7:11 a.m.
Yeah, I know there's a bit of clipping.
I think it's because I'm summing what amount to a bunch of normalized
random data -- so some of those sums end up outside -1 < x < +1,
though I do normalizing steps between sums, so... I don't know exactly
where the clipping is coming from -- I think it's coming from my "poor
man's reverb" effect, which, that thing should probably be replaced with
something better and faster, but... like I said, I don't know JACK
about DSP, I'm just playing around with my computer and my compiler and
my soundcard.
Best thing ever would be to send me a patch!
-- steve
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To: Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LAU] Explodomatica - explosion sound effect generator
Very cool. I was playing around with it. I do have one suggestion though: It seems you
are introducing unwanted artifacts due to clipping.
First, you probably don't want clipping. However, it is showing up, even in your demo
samples.
Second, you might want clipping (Probably we've ingrained digital clipping in our
perception of explosion sounds), but if you do, you're not clipping in the right way.
I haven't looked at your code, but because I had the exact same symptoms while using
libsndfile, I'm guessing that what you are doing is feeding libsndfile floats with
values >1 or <-1. If you want proper clipping, these samples would be pulled to the
closest value within the range [-1,1]. However, due to performance reasons (I'm
guessing), this is not what libsndfile does, but instead it wraps around. So 1.1 will be
interpreted as the amplitude of -0.9.
Here's what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/sselM.png
That image is from demo0.wav. This causes the "clicking" artifacts you hear in
the file. In order to fix this, just go through and find any samples > 1 and replace
them with 1, and similarly with -1, right before you write the data out with libsndfile.
This should give you proper "chopped peaks" clipping. Or, if you don't want
clipping at all, just calculate the max amplitude and divide every sample by it before
outputting.
Good luck and thanks,
Jeremy
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I made a little explosion sound effect generator, the idea being to help out people
looking for such things for making video games, and so on. It relies on portaudio,
libsndfile, and gtk2.
I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to DSP, so probably some of you
will laugh when you see my algorithms. But it does more or less make explosion sounds.
It's here:
http://smcameron.github.com/explodomatica
Enjoy
-- steve
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10:57 p.m.
At the end of the day, you are only getting clipping when you pass the
audio back to libsndfile. Go to the part of the code right before you call
the libsndfile function to write the audio to the file. If at that point,
you loop through all the samples, and find the one with the biggest
absolute value, and then loop through again and divide every sample by that
value, you will remove any clipping. Or you could hard clip it and
instead just set any value >1 to 1. The fact that you wrote this program
in the first place clearly shows that you have enough understanding to do
either one of these things.
You don't need to know any more about DSP than what I'm telling you now
(and you don't need to know anything about jack):
1. All the samples passed to libsndfile should be between -1<x<+1.
2. If you divide all the samples by the same value, this will make all the
samples lie within a smaller range, and will lower the volume of the audio.
If you're interested in playing around with your computer some more, you
could add code to write out the sound from the intermediate steps, so that
you could see precisely where it is inserted. But this is not necessary at
all, as clipping can be removed easily at any point up until it is written
to file. All you need it two "for" loops.
Jeremy
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Yeah, I know there's a bit of clipping.
I think it's because I'm summing what amount to a bunch of normalized
random data -- so some of those sums end up outside -1 < x < +1, though I
do normalizing steps between sums, so... I don't know exactly where the
clipping is coming from -- I think it's coming from my "poor man's
reverb"
effect, which, that thing should probably be replaced with something better
and faster, but... like I said, I don't know JACK about DSP, I'm just
playing around with my computer and my compiler and my soundcard.
Best thing ever would be to send me a patch!
-- steve
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*From:* Jeremy Salwen <jeremysalwen(a)gmail.com>
*To:* Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com>
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linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2011 9:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [LAU] Explodomatica - explosion sound effect generator
Very cool. I was playing around with it. I do have one suggestion
though: It seems you are introducing unwanted artifacts due to clipping.
First, you probably don't want clipping. However, it is showing up, even
in your demo samples.
Second, you might want clipping (Probably we've ingrained digital clipping
in our perception of explosion sounds), but if you do, you're not clipping
in the right way. I haven't looked at your code, but because I had the
exact same symptoms while using libsndfile, I'm guessing that what you are
doing is feeding libsndfile floats with values >1 or <-1. If you want
proper clipping, these samples would be pulled to the closest value within
the range [-1,1]. However, due to performance reasons (I'm guessing), this
is not what libsndfile does, but instead it wraps around. So 1.1 will be
interpreted as the amplitude of -0.9.
Here's what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/sselM.png
That image is from demo0.wav. This causes the "clicking" artifacts you
hear in the file. In order to fix this, just go through and find any
samples > 1 and replace them with 1, and similarly with -1, right before
you write the data out with libsndfile. This should give you proper
"chopped peaks" clipping. Or, if you don't want clipping at all, just
calculate the max amplitude and divide every sample by it before outputting.
Good luck and thanks,
Jeremy
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Cameron <smcameron(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
I made a little explosion sound effect generator, the idea being to help
out people looking for such things for making video games, and so on. It
relies on portaudio, libsndfile, and gtk2.
I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to DSP, so probably some
of you will laugh when you see my algorithms. But it does more or less
make explosion sounds.
It's here:
http://smcameron.github.com/explodomatica
Enjoy
-- steve
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1 Nov
1 Nov
5:34 p.m.
Hey there,
Thanks for this fun little programme. I played around with it last night
and here are some thoughts/reports:
- BUG: If nlayers is 14, the programme segfaults, any value above 14
causes the programme to consume memory until killed.
- The clipping issue is definitely annoying.
- I think a better reverb algorithm would definitely help the realism a
great deal.
- Overall, I thought the programme was better at simulating gunshots,
fireworks and firecrackers than out-and-out bomb blasts, not that I've
ever been privileged (???) to hear any close up. In particular, a
way to control the amount of bass (rumble) would be nice.
Thanks again for allowing the geeky kid in me to have a blast (bad pun
totally intended).
Cheers,
S.M.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:05:13AM -0700, Stephen Cameron wrote:
I made a little explosion sound effect generator, the idea being to help out people
looking for such things for making video games, and so on. It relies on portaudio,
libsndfile, and gtk2.
I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to DSP, so probably some of you
will laugh when you see my algorithms. But it does more or less make explosion sounds.
It's here:
http://smcameron.github.com/explodomatica
Enjoy
-- steve
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