5 Aug
2011
5 Aug
'11
10:56 a.m.
I'm thinking we can do something even more complete
than the planet feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
Aurélien
5 Aug
5 Aug
11:06 a.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we
want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
Advanced users of...? Do you know how puzzling it is for a Linux
newbie to figure out that a clean Ubuntu installation (which what they
usually will start from) is not good enough for audio production? That
there are at least half a dozen of specialized distributions? And the
list goes on :)
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be
overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
Yep
- A simple message
Yep
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or
not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
Indeed :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
7:54 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
We don't
really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
Advanced users of...? Do you know how puzzling it is for a Linux
newbie to figure out that a clean Ubuntu installation (which what they
usually will start from) is not good enough for audio production? That
there are at least half a dozen of specialized distributions? And the
list goes on :)
11:17 a.m.
I'm
thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet
feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action
though!
There is a lot that can be done to better present the content that we
already produce on a daily basis.
We have the following at our disposal:
linux-audio-announce
http://planet.linuxaudio.org
facebook - linux audio group
We also have these locations for media
soundcloud
ccmixter
bandcamp
myspace
youtube
http://linuxmusicvideos.com
There are also a few forums that we can pull content from:
I can't remember all of them.
http://linuxmao.org
http://linuxmusicians.com
We have radio feeds
Need some help to remember them all here please.
http://radio.linuxaudio.org
And there are various sites dedicated to documentation
http://apps.linuxaudio.org
http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org
http://www.linuxjournal.com/users/dave-phillips
We even have a google news feed
http://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&jfkl=true&cf=all&ned=u…
Pulling all that content alone into one single landing page will make a
good start for people who are new or experienced.
I can see a few ways to present it. One important consideration will be to
make sure that it is easy to add new links, feeds and sections. The other
is that is is easy to navigate and read. A third is that it works across
all platforms. It could even become a flibboard style meta journal in
html5.
The official http://journal.linuxaudio.org perhaps?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
11:29 a.m.
On 05.08.2011 11:17, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
For a social media campaign to get any momentum we will need to have a
nice landing page for people to view the message and tweet/post to make it
trend. I could think of a "meta-page" which includes short descriptions
of
linux audio programs along with screenshots and videos in a fancy
layout. And, what would be more important for me, informations about how
those applications can interact.
The other thing that is interesting for newbie is a recommendation for
hardware. Just recommend one or two device per category (usb, fw, pci..)
that are working well.
I would love such a page. And i don't speak about another forum here..
- Sebastian
I'm thinking we can do something even more
complete than the planet
feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it though.
Is that
really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
11:40 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 05.08.2011, 11:29 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Moors:
I could think of a "meta-page" which
includes short descriptions of
linux audio programs along with screenshots and videos in a fancy
layout. And, what would be more important for me, informations about
how
those applications can interact.
Hartmut Noack have just create such a page for the guitarix project,
designed to give newbies a first impress of what they can do with
guitarix on linux under jack.
http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=2&p_type=one
and
http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=6&p_type=gui
kudos to hartmut
11:49 a.m.
On 05.08.2011 11:17, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
For a social media campaign to get any momentum we will need to have a
nice landing page for people to view the message and tweet/post to make
it
trend. I could think of a "meta-page" which includes short
descriptions of
linux audio programs along with screenshots and videos in a fancy
layout. And, what would be more important for me, informations about how
those applications can interact.
The other thing that is interesting for newbie is a recommendation for
hardware. Just recommend one or two device per category (usb, fw, pci..)
that are working well.
I would love such a page. And i don't speak about another forum here..
- Sebastian
I wouldn't take much to add videos and screenshots to the
apps.linuxaudio.org pages. modifying hte layout will take a bit more
effort. Actually creating hte screenshots and videos is another thing
altogether though. That requires a motivated individual or some commitment
from devs to maintain their project pages on the apps wiki.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
I'm thinking we can do something even more
complete than the planet
feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
7 Aug
7 Aug
11:04 a.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
2011/8/5 Sebastian Moors <mauser(a)smoors.de>de>:
I could think of a "meta-page" which includes short descriptions of linux
audio programs along with screenshots ...
This one is nice:
http://blog.audiojungle.net/resources/29-music-making-apps-for-linux/
--
E.R.
8 Aug
8 Aug
6:05 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
Am 07.08.2011 11:04, schrieb Emanuel Rumpf:
2011/8/5 Sebastian Moors<mauser(a)smoors.de>de>:
It is full of apps, that are outdated and/or abandoned. This is a major
problem for most of these sites: to write one is easier than to
constantly update.
I could think of a "meta-page" which includes short descriptions of linux
audio programs along with screenshots ...
This one is nice:
http://blog.audiojungle.net/resources/29-music-making-apps-for-linux/
5 Aug
5 Aug
12:43 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
I am not a marketing expert, but words like 'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
Possible names for a centralized account:
OpenSourceAudio
OpenSourceMusic
OpenSourceMusicians
Linuxaudio
Linuxaudio.org
LinuxMusicians
Linuxmusicians.com
A account @twitter & @Identica to start with?
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
\r
I'm
thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it though.
Is that
really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, rosea grammostola <
rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
I cannot begin to describe how much I disagree with "rebranding" what is
being done to make it go big. Sure "open source" is a nice term, and
"create
commons" is too, but one should stand with what it is that your *actually
doing*, and dimming it down for people getting into the scene is not going
to improve the situation in the long run. Turning them into a veteran linux
audio guys: that's a better goal.
Restating: I disagree with the idea of "marketing" names for what we do.
People will be draw to the comunity *because* of what we do, not because of
*how we brand* what we do.
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
That's not a bad idea. And its being done already to some degree,
check @linuxsound,
it posts links to all LAU mails. If we done the same for the LAA list, that
might suffice for the "Grab it here" style messages?
1:06 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, rosea grammostola
<
rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If we are going to go to the effort of setting up a campaign we should be
prepared to attack every marketing vector to get the best metrics. Using
more widely accessible and optimised language increases the chances of
being picked up by a larger cross section of the internet. It also
increase SEO by having more keywords pointing our way.
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
I cannot begin to describe how much I disagree with "rebranding" what is
being done to make it go big. Sure "open source" is a nice term, and
"create
commons" is too, but one should stand with what it is that your *actually
doing*, and dimming it down for people getting into the scene is not going
to improve the situation in the long run. Turning them into a veteran
linux
audio guys: that's a better goal.
Restating: I disagree with the idea of
"marketing" names for what we do.
People will be draw to the comunity *because* of what we do, not because
of
*how we brand* what we do.
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
Was this feed ever announced on laa ?
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
That's not a bad idea. And its being done already to some degree,
check @linuxsound,
it posts links to all LAU mails. If we done the same for the LAA list,
that
might suffice for the "Grab it here" style messages?
1:11 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/05/2011 12:57 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com <mailto:rosea.grammostola@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am not a marketing expert, but words like 'Linux', 'FLOSS' might
be frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu'
(and
probably Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the
market'...
I cannot begin to describe how much I disagree with "rebranding" what
is being done to make it go big. Sure "open source" is a nice term,
and "create commons" is too, but one should stand with what it is that
your *actually doing*, and dimming it down for people getting into the
scene is not going to improve the situation in the long run. Turning
them into a veteran linux audio guys: that's a better goal.
To become a veteran
you have to become a newbie first. When we put
LinuxMusicians.com on air, we got the same replies. But I think
LinuxMusicians.com has proven to be a nice starting platform for newbies
who explore the possibilities of Linuxaudio. For some it's a nice
pre-step for the LAU mailinglist.
I think we could do both. Helping newbies and turning people into
veteran linuxaudio guys. But both aims needs a different approach.
Restating: I disagree with the idea of "marketing" names for what we
do. People will be draw to the comunity *because* of what we do, not
because of *how we brand* what we do.
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention
that account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms
#opensourceaudio @opensourceaudio'
That's not a bad idea. And its being done already to some degree,
check @linuxsound, it posts links to all LAU mails. If we done the
same for the LAA list, that might suffice for the "Grab it here" style
messages?
Messages @linuxsound and LAA are not very well suited for
'newbies'
imho. I would even avoid them on such a centralized twitter account.
\r
1:18 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, rosea grammostola <
rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
To become a veteran you have to become a newbie
first. When we put
LinuxMusicians.com on air, we got the same replies. But I think
LinuxMusicians.com has proven to be a nice starting platform for newbies who
explore the possibilities of Linuxaudio. For some it's a nice pre-step for
the LAU mailinglist.
I think we could do both. Helping newbies and turning people into veteran
linuxaudio guys. But both aims needs a different approach.
True, and I'm all in for making the learning curve less steep, but
rebranding things with names that are unassociated with them is IMO totally
the wrong way to go.
Don't hit people getting intrested with all the terminology, only use words
that they will probably understand, I get it. But calling it something that
its not *just so people will like it* is plain silly IMO.
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dale Powell <dj_kaza(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
As the OS in FLOSS stands for Open Source it's
hardly a rebranding though
is it? Why force people who may have never heard of it to search the
internet to find out what an acronym stands for when there is a nicer on the
eyes, ears and minds term that sums it up pretty much as well?
In that instance I'd have no problem, as you pointed out its not
*rebranding*, its making it easier to access for beginners and I'm all up
for that.
1:32 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/05/2011 01:18 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com <mailto:rosea.grammostola@gmail.com>> wrote:
To become a veteran you have to become a newbie first. When we put
LinuxMusicians.com on air, we got the same replies. But I think
LinuxMusicians.com has proven to be a nice starting platform for
newbies who explore the possibilities of Linuxaudio. For some it's
a nice pre-step for the LAU mailinglist.
I think we could do both. Helping newbies and turning people into
veteran linuxaudio guys. But both aims needs a different approach.
True, and I'm all in for making the learning curve less steep, but
rebranding things with names that are unassociated with them is IMO
totally the wrong way to go.
Don't hit people getting intrested with all the terminology, only use
words that they will probably understand, I get it. But calling it
something that its not *just so people will like it* is plain silly IMO.
I am not saying that we should use words which does describe what it is
in a wrong way... But that's not the case here imo.
A problem with the word OpenSource could make it harder to tweet about
Harrison Mixbus for instance though :) And those pieces of software
might be especially interesting for newbies...
Btw it wouldn't be a bad idea to also pay attention to OpenSource
software on Windows and Mac imo (Audacity, LinuxSampler etc.)
\r
1:11 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
>'FLOSS' might be frightening people.
'Opensource' (snip) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
I cannot begin to describe how much I disagree with
"rebranding" what is being done to make it go big. Sure "open source"
is a nice term,
As the OS in FLOSS stands for Open Source it's hardly a rebranding though is it? Why
force people who may have never heard of it to search the internet to find out what an
acronym stands for when there is a nicer on the eyes, ears and minds term that sums it up
pretty much as well?
7 Aug
7 Aug
1:33 a.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
People will be draw to the comunity *because* of what
we do, not because of
*how we brand* what we do.
Not both? Are you sure? :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
Le 07/08/2011 01:33, Alexandre Prokoudine a écrit :
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Harry van Haaren
wrote:
Probably the 2 of you are right here, but the question may be : do
people have time to :
1.do what they do, and increase the quality of their work
2.rebrand it all
And if there's only a question of time, probably everyone forgets the 2.
Fred
People will be draw to the comunity *because* of
what we do, not because of
*how we brand* what we do.
Not both? Are you sure? :)
5 Aug
5 Aug
1 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
This is the right idea.
I'm
thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet
feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
Possible names for a centralized account:
OpenSourceAudio
OpenSourceMusic
OpenSourceMusicians
Linuxaudio
Linuxaudio.org
LinuxMusicians
Linuxmusicians.com
A account @twitter & @Identica to start with?
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised meta
landing page server...
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost HArdware Ltd
1:16 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
It's *social* media. That means it works when you
interact with people.
A centralised meta landing page server, might be a good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Of course we could do that for such a account, but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is doing
nicely).
\r
On 08/05/2011
10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
This is the right idea.
I'm
thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet
feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
Possible names for a centralized account:
OpenSourceAudio
OpenSourceMusic
OpenSourceMusicians
Linuxaudio
Linuxaudio.org
LinuxMusicians
Linuxmusicians.com
A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised meta
landing page server...
1:35 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
It's *social* media. That means it works when you
interact with people.
Unless you only intend to interact with the same people who are on this
list we are going to need to get some more attention. One way to achieve
that is to have automated tweets so people can keep up to date and trend a
topic that catches their attention.
On
08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
This is the right idea.
> I'm thinking we can do something even
more complete than the planet
> feeds.
> Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
> though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
Possible names for a centralized account:
OpenSourceAudio
OpenSourceMusic
OpenSourceMusicians
Linuxaudio
Linuxaudio.org
LinuxMusicians
Linuxmusicians.com
A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised
meta
landing page server... A centralised meta landing page server, might be a
good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Sorry. A centralised location to access all the content that we are
producing is a bad thing?
Of course we could do that for such a account, but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is doing
nicely).
The social interaction will come when people start commenting on the news.
We need to feed people news and automating the news from the already
existing locations where people are posting is a handy tool.
Once we get people to notice the already existing content that we are
posting then we will get more social interaction.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
2:46 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 01:35 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
Assuming that all the docs will
be placed at Linuxaudio.org ... It might
be good to stick with the same name.
Account: twitter.com/LinuxAudio, hashtags #linuxaudio and/ or #flossaudio ?
But how do you prevent that the RT account will be abused? Isn't it
possible to RT messages from accounts you follow yourself only?
\r
On 08/05/2011
12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
It's *social* media. That means it works when you
interact with people.
Unless you only intend to interact with the same people who
are on this
list we are going to need to get some more attention. One way to achieve
that is to have automated tweets so people can keep up to date and trend a
topic that catches their attention.
On
08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
>> I'm thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet
>> feeds.
>> Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
>> though.
> Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
>
> When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
> wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
> audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
> for.
>
> I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
> honest they didn't tell me much.
>
> Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
> We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
> already know where to look.
> And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
>
> What I had in mind was this:
> - A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
> actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
> - A simple message
> - And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
>
> I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
>
>
If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
This is the right idea.
I am not a marketing expert, but words like
'Linux', 'FLOSS' might be
frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
Possible names for a centralized account:
OpenSourceAudio
OpenSourceMusic
OpenSourceMusicians
Linuxaudio
Linuxaudio.org
LinuxMusicians
Linuxmusicians.com
A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention that
account when posting a message.
'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
@opensourceaudio'
This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised
meta
landing page server... A centralised meta landing page server, might be
a good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Sorry. A
centralised location to access all the content that we are
producing is a bad thing?
Of course we could do that for such a account,
but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is doing
nicely).
The social interaction will come when people start commenting on the news.
We need to feed people news and automating the news from the already
existing locations where people are posting is a handy tool.
Once we get people to notice the already existing content that we are
posting then we will get more social interaction.
3:18 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 02:46 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
On 08/05/2011 01:35 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
Assuming that all the docs will
be placed at Linuxaudio.org ... It
might be good to stick with the same name.
Account: twitter.com/LinuxAudio, hashtags #linuxaudio and/ or
#flossaudio ?
But how do you prevent that the RT account will be abused? Isn't it
possible to RT messages from accounts you follow yourself only?
http://twitter.com/#!/linuxaudio
Not sure how effective it will be...
\r
On
08/05/2011 12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
Unless you only intend to interact with the same people who
are on this
list we are going to need to get some more attention. One way to achieve
that is to have automated tweets so people can keep up to date and
trend a
topic that catches their attention.
> On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond
wrote:
>>> I'm thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet
>>> feeds.
>>> Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
>>> though.
>> Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
>>
>> When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
>> wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
>> audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was
>> looking
>> for.
>>
>> I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and
>> to be
>> honest they didn't tell me much.
>>
>> Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
>> We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
>> already know where to look.
>> And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic
>> feed.
>>
>> What I had in mind was this:
>> - A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
>> actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
>> - A simple message
>> - And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
>>
>> I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
>>
>>
> If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known on
> social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
> Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
> might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
>
This is the right idea.
> I am not a marketing expert, but words like 'Linux', 'FLOSS' might
be
> frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu' (and
probably
> Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
>
> Possible names for a centralized account:
>
> OpenSourceAudio
> OpenSourceMusic
> OpenSourceMusicians
> Linuxaudio
> Linuxaudio.org
> LinuxMusicians
> Linuxmusicians.com
>
> A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
>
> The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention
> that
> account when posting a message.
>
> 'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
> @opensourceaudio'
>
> This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
>
If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised
meta
landing page server...
It's *social* media. That means it works when you
interact with people. A centralised meta landing page server, might be
a good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Sorry. A
centralised location to access all the content that we are
producing is a bad thing?
Of course we could do that for such a account,
but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is doing
nicely).
The social interaction will come when people start commenting on the
news.
We need to feed people news and automating the news from the already
existing locations where people are posting is a handy tool.
Once we get people to notice the already existing content that we are
posting then we will get more social interaction.
4:01 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 03:18 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
On 08/05/2011 02:46 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
E.g. the 'MuseScore-way' is an
effective way. Projects like Ardour could
do the same, there are opportunities there for sure and it will
possibility be far more effective and popular then a LinuxAudio twitter
account... But alas, http://twitter.com/#!/linuxaudio exists (and also
OpenSourceAudio could be a possibility) for a centralized account.
Patrick are you taking care of that RT account? E-mail me for the
account info.
\r
On 08/05/2011 01:35 PM,
pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
Assuming that all the docs will
be placed at Linuxaudio.org ... It
might be good to stick with the same name.
Account: twitter.com/LinuxAudio, hashtags #linuxaudio and/ or
#flossaudio ?
But how do you prevent that the RT account will be abused? Isn't it
possible to RT messages from accounts you follow yourself only?
http://twitter.com/#!/linuxaudio
Not sure how effective it will be... On
08/05/2011 12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
>> On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
>>>> I'm thinking we can do something even more complete than the
>>>> planet
>>>> feeds.
>>>> Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
>>>> though.
>>> Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
>>>
>>> When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
>>> wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
>>> audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was
>>> looking
>>> for.
>>>
>>> I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and
>>> to be
>>> honest they didn't tell me much.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
>>> We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users,
they
>>> already know where to look.
>>> And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic
>>> feed.
>>>
>>> What I had in mind was this:
>>> - A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
>>> actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
>>> - A simple message
>>> - And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
>>>
>>> I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
>>>
>>>
>> If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and
>> known on
>> social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
>> Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
>> might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
>>
> This is the right idea.
>
>> I am not a marketing expert, but words like 'Linux', 'FLOSS'
>> might be
>> frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu'
(and
>> probably
>> Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
>>
>> Possible names for a centralized account:
>>
>> OpenSourceAudio
>> OpenSourceMusic
>> OpenSourceMusicians
>> Linuxaudio
>> Linuxaudio.org
>> LinuxMusicians
>> Linuxmusicians.com
>>
>> A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
>>
>> The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention
>> that
>> account when posting a message.
>>
>> 'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
>> @opensourceaudio'
>>
>> This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
>>
> If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised
> meta
> landing page server...
It's *social* media. That means it works when you interact with
people.
Unless you only intend to interact with the same people who are on this
list we are going to need to get some more attention. One way to
achieve
that is to have automated tweets so people can keep up to date and
trend a
topic that catches their attention.
A centralised meta landing page server, might be
a good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Sorry. A
centralised location to access all the content that we are
producing is a bad thing?
Of course we could do that for such a account,
but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is
doing
nicely).
The social interaction will come when people start commenting on the
news.
We need to feed people news and automating the news from the already
existing locations where people are posting is a handy tool.
Once we get people to notice the already existing content that we are
posting then we will get more social interaction.
5:20 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 02:46 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Nice.
I have updated http://lau.linuxaudio.org with some of the ideas from this
discussion so far.
I'll need a few days or some contributions to get the live streams kicking
in. Anyway lots of good ideas so far.
Lets not loose momentum.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On 08/05/2011 01:35 PM,
pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
Assuming that all the docs will
be placed at Linuxaudio.org ... It
might be good to stick with the same name.
Account: twitter.com/LinuxAudio, hashtags #linuxaudio and/ or
#flossaudio ?
But how do you prevent that the RT account will be abused? Isn't it
possible to RT messages from accounts you follow yourself only?
http://twitter.com/#!/linuxaudio
Not sure how effective it will be...
On
08/05/2011 12:59 PM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
>> On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
>>>> I'm thinking we can do something even more complete than the
>>>> planet
>>>> feeds.
>>>> Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it
>>>> though.
>>> Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
>>>
>>> When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
>>> wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
>>> audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was
>>> looking
>>> for.
>>>
>>> I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and
>>> to be
>>> honest they didn't tell me much.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
>>> We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users,
they
>>> already know where to look.
>>> And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an
automatic
>>> feed.
>>>
>>> What I had in mind was this:
>>> - A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
>>> actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
>>> - A simple message
>>> - And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
>>>
>>> I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
>>>
>>>
>> If only the project Ardour would manage to become active and known
>> on
>> social media (twitter, youtube channel), then you are almost there.
>> Other projects are too small likely to get much attention. A chance
>> might be to have a centralized account for such small projects.
>>
> This is the right idea.
>
>> I am not a marketing expert, but words like 'Linux', 'FLOSS'
might
>> be
>> frightening people. 'Opensource', 'Ardour' and 'Ubuntu'
(and
>> probably
>> Creative Commons) are words which lay much better in 'the market'...
>>
>> Possible names for a centralized account:
>>
>> OpenSourceAudio
>> OpenSourceMusic
>> OpenSourceMusicians
>> Linuxaudio
>> Linuxaudio.org
>> LinuxMusicians
>> Linuxmusicians.com
>>
>> A account @twitter& @Identica to start with?
>>
>> The guys from LMMS for example (as other projects), could mention
>> that
>> account when posting a message.
>>
>> 'LMMS 0.9 is out! Grab it at http://lmms.org #lmms #opensourceaudio
>> @opensourceaudio'
>>
>> This message can then be retweeted by the centralized account.
>>
> If you set up the account I can setup the retweet on the centralised
> meta
> landing page server...
It's *social* media. That means it works when you interact with
people.
Unless you only intend to interact with the same people who are on this
list we are going to need to get some more attention. One way to
achieve
that is to have automated tweets so people can keep up to date and
trend a
topic that catches their attention.
A centralised meta landing page server, might be
a good example what
doesn't work. It's technically great, but socially very bad. :)
Sorry. A
centralised location to access all the content that we are
producing is a bad thing?
Of course we could do that for such a account,
but then social
interaction should be done by project accounts (like MuseScore is
doing
nicely).
The social interaction will come when people start commenting on the
news.
We need to feed people news and automating the news from the already
existing locations where people are posting is a handy tool.
Once we get people to notice the already existing content that we are
posting then we will get more social interaction. 
9:18 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
I have updated http://lau.linuxaudio.org with some of
the ideas from this
discussion so far.
I'll need a few days or some contributions to get the live streams kicking
in. Anyway lots of good ideas so far.
Lets not loose momentum.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much like what you seem to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org
maybe you should have a look here : http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
bon courage
olivier
9:27 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/05/2011 09:18 PM, olivier wrote:
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much
like what you seem to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong :http://www.linuxmao.org
maybe you should have a look here :http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
bon courage
olivier
Basically Linuxmao is spot on. If it had an English counterpart it'd be
awesome as it is by far the most complete source for Linux music
production that exists. Haven't been there in a while (je suis désolé
Olivier...) but maybe it's good to get in contact again!
Best,
Jeremy
9:36 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/05/2011 09:27 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 08/05/2011 09:18 PM, olivier wrote:
Is Linuxmao on Twitter
or other Social Media yet?
\r
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but
much like what you
seem to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people
to share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong :http://www.linuxmao.org
maybe you should have a look here :http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
bon courage
olivier
Basically Linuxmao is spot on. If it had an English counterpart it'd
be awesome as it is by far the most complete source for Linux music
production that exists. Haven't been there in a while (je suis désolé
Olivier...) but maybe it's good to get in contact again!
10:18 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
I have updated
http://lau.linuxaudio.org with some of the ideas from
this
discussion so far.
I'll need a few days or some contributions to get the live streams
kicking
in. Anyway lots of good ideas so far.
Lets not loose momentum.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much like what you seem
to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to
share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org maybe you should have a look here :
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
That link is already included on the lau.linuxaudio.org site.
I'm thinking of providing a one stop location where *all* the various
Linux Audio content is presented/accessible on one page.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
6 Aug
6 Aug
5:16 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
hi
the link on lau.linxaudio.org for planet.linuxaudio.org actually links
to planet.linux.audio.org
guerrier
7:39 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much like what you seem
to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to
share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org
Works for me. What is the problem? maybe you should have a look here :
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
That link is already included on the lau.linuxaudio.org site.
Not a problem really, just suggesting you add that 'www.' so our users can
auto-connect, and additionally to create an "other languages" section in the
"community" box, where you can add some new content from
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
olivier
7 Aug
7 Aug
10:25 a.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much like what you
seem
to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to
share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org
Works for me. What is the problem? maybe you should have a look here :
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
That link is already included on the lau.linuxaudio.org site.
Not a problem really, just suggesting you add that 'www.' so our users
can
auto-connect, and additionally to create an "other
languages" section in
the
"community" box, where you can add some new content from
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
I would like to do soe automated feeds with that idea. Do you have any
suggestions?
I will work on integrating twitter, facebook and google news feeds next.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
9 Aug
9 Aug
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/07/2011 10:25 AM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com wrote:
Not a problem really, just suggesting you add that 'www.' so our users
can
auto-connect, Done. I also changed the layout to be more like a magazine format
which I
hope is more accessible for mobile devices especially tablets.
I think in
general, people doesn't like if you post too many
information/ tweets on Social Media like Twitter... Look careful at what
is useful to twitter and what not.
\r
One thing :
Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but much like what you
seem
to
be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people to
share
their songs and other programing ideas
also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org
Works for me. What
is the problem?
maybe you should have a look here :
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
That link is already included on the lau.linuxaudio.org site.
and additionally to create an "other
languages" section in
the
"community" box, where you can add some new content from
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
I would like to do soe automated feeds with that idea. Do you have any
suggestions?
I will work on integrating twitter, facebook and google news feeds next.
10:37 p.m.
New subject: Subject=Re: community pages
On 08/07/2011 10:25 AM, pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
Done. I also changed the layout to be more like a magazine format
which
I
hope is more accessible for mobile devices especially tablets.
I think
in general, people doesn't like if you post too many
information/ tweets on Social Media like Twitter... Look careful at what
is useful to twitter and what not.
I was meaning to integrate them into the lau.linuxaudio.org portal. I
don't see any need to merge all the stream together into one.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
> One thing : Linuxmao.org is not just a forum, but
much like what you
seem
> to
> be trying to accomplish now (only in french).
> It is first a huge wiki for LA artists, and welcome a lot of people
> to
> share
> their songs and other programing ideas
> also, the url on your page is wrong : http://www.linuxmao.org
Works for me. What is the problem?
maybe you should have a look here :
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
That link is already included on the lau.linuxaudio.org site.
Not a problem really, just suggesting you add that 'www.' so our users
can
auto-connect, and additionally to create an "other
languages" section in
the
"community" box, where you can add some new content from
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/start
I would like to do soe automated feeds with that idea. Do you have any
suggestions?
I will work on integrating twitter, facebook and google news feeds next.
5 Aug
5 Aug
2:05 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
Aurélien
Centralization would be a good thing I think, information is now too
scattered. It would be very nice if there would be a single portal site
that would contain at least links to all the relevant information.
Only... this is a huge task I fear. And we'd need a good CMS for that
with a ditto good CSS template. And as Patrick pointed out regarding a
centralized account, it also needs a name, personally I think
LinuxAudio.org is the right place for such a site (if only because it's
a self-maintained site, so not hosted by a commercial hosting service).
I'm not very much in favor of widening the scope to all open source
audio related information, that would drastically increase the workload
for those maintaining such a site.
Best,
Jeremy
2:14 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 02:05 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 08/05/2011 10:56 AM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
It would be good if the
LinuxMusicians WIKI would be merged into the
Linuxaudio WIKI and have one instead probably ...
Is that really what we want though? Automatic
feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
Aurélien
Centralization would be a good thing I think, information is now too
scattered. It would be very nice if there would be a single portal
site that would contain at least links to all the relevant
information. Only... this is a huge task I fear. And we'd need a good
CMS for that with a ditto good CSS template. And as Patrick pointed
out regarding a centralized account, it also needs a name, personally
I think LinuxAudio.org is the right place for such a site (if only
because it's a self-maintained site, so not hosted by a commercial
hosting service). I'm not very much in favor of widening the scope to
all open source audio related information, that would drastically
increase the workload for those maintaining such a site.
2:17 p.m.
On 08/05/2011 02:14 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
It would be good if the LinuxMusicians WIKI would be
merged into the
Linuxaudio WIKI and have one instead probably ...
Oh yeah, I'm definitely in favor of that. And that's not a lot of work I
reckon, their both DokuWiki's. Not sure though if DokuWiki has an
export/import function like MediaWiki has. And if so one would need
administrative rights on both Wiki's.
Best,
Jeremy
5:44 p.m.
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:05:32 +0200
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
Centralization would be a good thing I think,
information is now too
scattered. It would be very nice if there would be a single portal
site that would contain at least links to all the relevant
information. Only... this is a huge task I fear. And we'd need a good
CMS for that with a ditto good CSS template. And as Patrick pointed
out regarding a centralized account, it also needs a name, personally
I think LinuxAudio.org is the right place for such a site (if only
because it's a self-maintained site, so not hosted by a commercial
hosting service). I'm not very much in favor of widening the scope to
all open source audio related information, that would drastically
increase the workload for those maintaining such a site.
I think this is a good point - for this whole thing to not become too
disperse and hard to maintain by a few persons in their spare time, it
has to be very focused. If the intent is to pubblicize and help
migration of audio users to linux systems, I think the focus should be
kept on few bigger applications - ardour, hydrogen and then some else -
that provide a basic, solid, all round setup for a new user. A
working setup should be provided/documented very well for those - then
if someone wants to experiment more, he'll find by himself seq24 and
ams - for example.
Also this would maybe help the ethical issue of rebranding that Harry
is posing (if I understood it right) - rebranding and pubblicization
efforts would only be spent on the bigger apps, while smaller ones
which have a small team of devs (or just one in many cases) wouldn't be
burdened by this, while still having the benefits of a larger user
base.
my 2¢ ;)
renato
7:50 p.m.
Le 05/08/2011 10:56, Aurélien Leblond a écrit :
Maybe this plan should be done in 2 steps :
- centralize "somewhere" all the links to video or text howtos, applis
sites, user lists, community blogs, and everything relateed to audioLinux
- then tease people to go "somewhere"
Maybe step 0 should be to find "somewhere" ?
My 2 cents,
Fred
I'm
thinking we can do something even more complete than the planet feeds.
Definitely automated updates on content will be a big part of it though.
Is that really what we want though? Automatic feeds?
When I started to use Linux few years back to produce music, what I
wanted to know is: what software to use, what can they do, few
audio/video examples to judge by myself if that was what I was looking
for.
I stumbled accross a few of these automatic generated feeds, and to be
honest they didn't tell me much.
Shouldn't we start by deciding the audience we want to reach?
We don't really want to "advertise" to the advanced users, they
already know where to look.
And I'm afraid the "newbe" would be overwhelmed by an automatic feed.
What I had in mind was this:
- A single campaign on facebook/twitter/google+ around the major
actors of FOSS music software (like Ardour, LMMS, Hydrogen, etc...)
- A simple message
- And see how that goes to repeat the experience (or not!)
I still agree that we should centralize the action though!
Aurélien
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guerrier -
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hermann -
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olivier -
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Renato -
rosea grammostola -
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