4 Sep
2006
4 Sep
'06
2:03 p.m.
... but on the bright side, I got some things working, so it's nice to
know that things do work to some extent using the hardware (M-Audio
1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom power) I bought and
the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce
6600) I got.
To get it working I tried some distros since the SuSE Nerd 3 page on
how to install a Jacklab system has not the right URLs for YaST. So I
tried the 64Studio. This one would not boot after install. I still
have to look into that but I want results first, so that's for later.
I also tried Musix GNU+Linux Live CD but this one did not recognize
the sound card. Results first, so this one is out the door.
Then I tried CCRMA. So I downloaded and installed Fedora 5, x86_64
version. Wrong. CCRMA does not seem to have and x86_64 packages. At
least not in the mainstream docs. Go back to get another DVD.
Luckily, the line has good throughput.
So I installed Fedora 5 i386 and followed the CCRMA steps. This
finally gives results, I can run jack and connect some ins/outs, make
drum beats with Hydrogen, make one sound with this zyn[...] soft synth.
MuSE will run, and so Ardour. So basically now all I have to do is to
learn how to use this stuff (and connect a MIDI keyboard and connect my
preamped accoustic bass guitar).
It would be that if only Fedora would have nice fonts. It does not.
The screen feeling is set a few years back. Then it tells me that the
screen is 1600x1200 but the other screen resolution app is right: it's
only 1024x768. Even tough it knows the right monitor model. No way to
easily throw this one in 1600x1200.
So I want to boot back into my main SuSE system. And although I've
taken care to tell the Fedora installer about the other boot
partitions, it throws the system into the grub prompt when trying to
boot SuSE. So it's back to booting from the SuSE DVD, chroot into the
right partition and re-initialize grub.
I'd thought that by 2006, big guys like the Fedora team would have
resolved this. SuSE certainly did (64Studio not !). It's this feeling
about systems and flakiness that I almost forgotten not working with
Windows for several years.
So for now 1024x768 will do so that I learn a bit more about actually
how to work with audio (as opposed to configuring systems and
software packages) and perhaps derive a bit of fun in the process, but
this is certainly not a long term solution.
Al
4 Sep
4 Sep
3:38 p.m.
--- lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
... but on the bright side, I got some things
working, so it's nice to
know that things do work to some extent using the
hardware (M-Audio
1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom
power) I bought and
the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI
mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce
6600) I got.
You've got very nice system specs. Give it some time,
don't give up. All the ingredients are out there to
make one helluva audio system - you just need to learn
how to cook :)
I built LFS (Linux from scratch) system. It took some
serious interest to learn how to get it all together,
but it's been worth it in every possible way. I have
near perfect desktop audio system here with me right
now - I couldn't imagine it being much better no
matter what OS. This system delivers what Windows
system could not deliver. This is the environment I
feel at home - this is where I'm most productive.
But like I said - it required a lot of work. It
doesn't have to be like that for most of you.
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4:53 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
Drucer Ninetynine <drucer99(a)yahoo.com> écrivait:
you just need to learn how to cook :)
Yep. Just re-installed 64Studio and it works. Everything seems to
work right away. I have to learn how to connect the external
MIDI keyboard to, say, the Zyn[...] synth and/or Hydrogen as it does
not seem as straightforward as plugging the MIDI out of the kyb to the
MIDI In of the M-Audio 1010LT and then 'connect' using Jack the 1010LT
MIDI to the Zyn MIDI port. Somethign else had to be done. Same with
Hydrogen.
I don't even want to thin about sound quality at this moment ! ;-)
I built LFS (Linux from scratch) system. It took some
serious interest to learn how to get it all together,
but it's been worth it in every possible way. I have
near perfect desktop audio system here with me right
now - I couldn't imagine it being much better no
matter what OS.
I use to build LFS systems that I've used at home and at work for a
few years. In fact, I built my own set of scripts to configure and
install such a system. One of these days I want to build a LFS system
for the x86_64 platform but I have no idea at how the 32/64 libs are
handled.
Earlier last year I decided to use a commercial distro to see what is
the state of Linux when you pay for it. So I bought SuSE 9.3 and then
10.0 for both home and work. Initially I was pleasantly surprised, but
then I saw some 'little things' here and there, like SuSE 10.0 not
being able to give 1600x1200 while 9.3 did. Or having trouble using
the network adapters.
First time I tried MuSE was on a LFS system I built. I was running
WindowMaker and that was a few years ago. It took some hacks to make
MuSE work (many thanks to excellent mailing list support !) and to
actually used it, but I finally made a couple of tunes for fun with it.
So eventually I'd dearly like to be on the LFS bandwagon again
(recently I tried nALFS from the live CDROM and it works great on 386
systems), revamping my scripts and perhaps even adding a GUI interface.
The point is, I don't mind spending the time as that's where my
professional interest lies, but in parallel, I find it deceiving that
in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship
distros. For instance, why is SuSE bundling Jack (and MuSE and
Ardour, etc...) when there are no instructions on how to make all this
work. In fact, even the SuSE kernel has no realtime in it or as
modules. Or Fedora telling me that my screen is 1600x1200 when it's
clearly not.
Ah well.
Cheers,
Al
5:06 p.m.
I find it deceiving that
in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship
distros.
whoever said SuSE and FEdora were flagship? flagship distros are debian, gentoo, and
ubuntu, with arch and mandriva rounding out the top 5. or REdHat/Novell in the corporate
world. Fedora is just redhat's lame attempt to offload work on RedHat to others by
emulating the debian model unsuccessfuly.
work. In fact, even the SuSE kernel has no realtime
in it or as
modules. Or Fedora telling me that my screen is 1600x1200 when it's
clearly not.
nobody said you had to try Studio64, Musix, Agnula, Demudi, StudioToGo, PCLinuxOS,
UbuntuStudio, or wahtever 'derived from another distro and improved but still proably
not fully working \'music out-of-the-box\' support'. the big picture requires
a maintenance team that can keep things fresh (so that your hardware is supported), and
parts functional with eachother (so that your udev loads your sound drivers, your screen
works at 1440x960 instead of 1024x768...) and this is much more likely to be the case with
gentoo or ubuntu than anbything else. music software being preinstalled is secondary to
this really
Earlier last year I decided to use a commercial distro
to see what is
the state of Linux when you pay for it
i had to pay a bit for gentoo. in the form of my time, to learn how stuff in /etc/portage
works (mainly unmasking -9999 audio packages in the proaudio overlay). i find it was a
good return on the investment. surely more than the one time a coworker bought a boxed
copy of RedHat without consulting the rest of us first..
5 Sep
5 Sep
7:33 a.m.
On Monday 04 September 2006 20:05, carmen was like:
(Ianas originally said:)
In your opinion.
The term 'flagship distro' isn't really common parlance, so it doesn't
really
make sense arguing the point. There are plenty of people on this list happily
using SuSE and Fedora+PlanetCCRMA to make music. Your reasoning sucks.
I find it
deceiving that
in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship
distros.
whoever said SuSE and FEdora were flagship? flagship distros are debian,
gentoo, and ubuntu, with arch and mandriva rounding out the top 5. or
REdHat/Novell in the corporate world. Fedora is just redhat's lame attempt
to offload work on RedHat to others by emulating the debian model
unsuccessfuly. nobody said you had to try Studio64, Musix, Agnula,
Demudi, StudioToGo,
PCLinuxOS, UbuntuStudio, or wahtever 'derived from another distro and
improved but still proably not fully working \'music out-of-the-box\'
support'.
You are not comparing like with like here at all. DeMuDi and UbuntuStudio are
simply methods of installing and configuring Debian and Ubuntu respectively
for multimedia use - Musix and Studio to Go! are live CDs AFAIA. 64studio is
a Debian derived distro specifically aimed at 64bit architecture, but it has
not been declared stable yet, so it deserves to be given a bit more slack.
Ubuntu is also a Debian derived distro. Agnula, incidentally, is not a distro
at all, it's a European free software consortium, which currently maintains
DeMuDi.
Off-the-wall misinformation doesn't help anyone come to an informed decision.
None of the major distros provide a low-latency kernel or realtime security
model that works out of the box, hence the development of DeMuDi,
PlanetCCRMA, UbuntuStudio, Gentoo's pro-audio overlay and the proliferation
of various derived distributions and live CDs. These approaches are
frequently recommended by people on this list, because we tried them and they
worked for us. None of this software comes with any guarantees and the
developers are often not working to any kind of mutually agreed timeline,
which means that distro maintainers frequently have to juggle applications in
varying states of compatibility. For this reason, most stable software
collections use older versions of applications, which don't have all the
latest features and may still contain bugs which are considered non-critical.
Linux is essentially a DIY approach to computing, what you don't pay for in
money, you pay for in time, effort and reading. I think it's a fair deal. The
other payback is that we on this list learn to become efficient beta-testers
and submit useful bug reports rather than making unqualified complaints.
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
10:48 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 12:03 -0400, lanas wrote:
... but on the bright side, I got some things working,
so it's nice to
know that things do work to some extent using the hardware (M-Audio
1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom power) I bought and
the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce
6600) I got.
[MUNCH]
So I installed Fedora 5 i386 and followed the CCRMA steps. This
finally gives results, I can run jack and connect some ins/outs, make
drum beats with Hydrogen, make one sound with this zyn[...] soft synth.
MuSE will run, and so Ardour. So basically now all I have to do is to
learn how to use this stuff (and connect a MIDI keyboard and connect my
preamped accoustic bass guitar).
It would be that if only Fedora would have nice fonts. It does not.
The screen feeling is set a few years back. Then it tells me that the
screen is 1600x1200 but the other screen resolution app is right: it's
only 1024x768. Even tough it knows the right monitor model. No way to
easily throw this one in 1600x1200.
I'm not sure I follow which is which. It tries to send 1600x1200 to a
1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you
refering to?
-- Fernando
6 Sep
6 Sep
8:31 a.m.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:48:42 -0700
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> écrivait:
I'm not sure I follow which is which. It tries to
send 1600x1200 to a
1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you
refering to?
I am using SuSE presently for writing this, so I can't refer to the
actual Fedora menus and apps dorectly, but I'll try to describe.
In Fedora there are two ways to see and change the screen resolution.
The first is called 'Screen Resolution' and does not require root
access. The other is called something else and asks you the root
password before proceeding.
#1 will say the screen is 1024x768, which is quite right, but will
offer no other, higher, screen resolutions.
#2 will report that the screen is 1600x1200 (which is not). I've
configured this one for the proper monitor, which is a Viewsonic VP211B
21.3" TFT.
Graphic card is a GeForce 6600. Apart from editing the xorg.conf file
directly, I do not see how to get a higher screen resolution than the
1024x768 since the system thinks it has 1600x1200 and offers nothing
more than 1024x768.
Also, is there any 64-bit version of CCRMA ?
Cheers,
Al
8:16 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 06:30 -0400, lanas wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:48:42 -0700
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> écrivait:
What I'd try (just a workaround, of course) is to select the "LCD Panel
1600x1200" monitor type instead of the "proper" model. At least that's
what I did in my laptop as it did not automagically detect the max
resolution (I don't remember exactly what I did but that's what is
selected right now).
I'm not sure I follow which is which. It
tries to send 1600x1200 to a
1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you
refering to?
I am using SuSE presently for writing this, so I can't refer to the
actual Fedora menus and apps dorectly, but I'll try to describe.
In Fedora there are two ways to see and change the screen resolution.
The first is called 'Screen Resolution' and does not require root
access. The other is called something else and asks you the root
password before proceeding.
#1 will say the screen is 1024x768, which is quite right, but will
offer no other, higher, screen resolutions.
#2 will report that the screen is 1600x1200 (which is not). I've
configured this one for the proper monitor, which is a Viewsonic VP211B
21.3" TFT. Graphic card is a GeForce 6600. Apart from editing
the xorg.conf file
directly, I do not see how to get a higher screen resolution than the
1024x768 since the system thinks it has 1600x1200 and offers nothing
more than 1024x768.
Also, is there any 64-bit version of CCRMA ?
Sorry, no, not yet.
I have more plans than time to carry them out...
-- Fernando
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