27 Jun
2014
27 Jun
'14
1:08 p.m.
I recently started writing jingles, because I need them for my podcast and
videos that our skeptic group produces. I did not want to use somebody
else's when I have the ability to write my own.
I found jingles to be a very complex and interesting material to work on.
So far I've written only one jingle that I am completely happy with and I
am presenting it to you here. It is a jingle that we use for our videos,
when the title of the video is shown and then the video proceeds to the
lecturer.
www.louigiverona.ru/files/TV_jingle_1.flac
Has anyone else had this experience?
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28 Jun
28 Jun
3:13 p.m.
Sure, but it will be out in a week. I can post here. Also - it will be in
Russian.
Right now also doing the graphics with OpenShot. I did not know it could do
quite a lot of stuff. It has various plugins that allow you to do rotation
and changing parameters of the clip, like blur something and make it go
from blur to clear, moving things and such. Not bad, although crashes a lot
if you have lots of things loaded into it, so you have to save your work
often.
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3:29 p.m.
Actually, I just finished making the intro sequence, so you can take a look
here:
http://youtu.be/OFE4fe_d4bw
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Nils <list(a)nilsgey.de> wrote:
On 28.06.2014 15:12, Louigi Verona wrote:
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Sure, but it will be out in a week. I can post
here. Also - it will be in
Russian.
That would be nice in any case. But I meant just the part where the jingle
can be heard.
Nils
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29 Jun
4:37 p.m.
2014-06-28 15:29 GMT+02:00 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>:
Actually, I just finished making the intro sequence,
so you can take a look
here:
http://youtu.be/OFE4fe_d4bw
I really like it, Louigi, and the synth bass sounds deep and full.
Very appropriate for an intro.
And the video it seems interesting. What is the vidcast/show is about?
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On 28.06.2014 15:12, Louigi Verona wrote:
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Sure, but it will be out in a week. I can post here. Also - it will be in
Russian.
That would be nice in any case. But I meant just the part where the jingle
can be heard.
Nils
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30 Jun
12:07 a.m.
Hey Carlos!
The video is about critical thinking and science.
The video is ready, you can take a look at how the jingle looks with the
rest of the video. Although OpenShot was killing me with its constant
crashes. It is such a pity Linux does not have stable video editors (yeah,
I tried kdenlive too, but at some point it stopped exporting audio for some
reason).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMcPcxzN70M
L.V.
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3:16 p.m.
2014-06-30 0:07 GMT+02:00 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hey Carlos!
The video is about critical thinking and science.
The video is ready, you can take a look at how the jingle looks with the
rest of the video. Although OpenShot was killing me with its constant
crashes. It is such a pity Linux does not have stable video editors (yeah, I
tried kdenlive too, but at some point it stopped exporting audio for some
reason).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMcPcxzN70M
L.V.
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Great, I'll watch it.
BTW, I'm helping a friend and talented multimedia artist that's made
the change to open tools and Linux coming from closed and captive
technologies. He's making really good progresses with Kdenlive and
Blender, for the moment he's quite happy and surprised by the quality
and versatility that now is available to him.
Maybe I can ask any specific question if you want.
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3:29 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
Sure, but it will be out in a week. I can post here.
Also - it will be in
Russian.
Right now also doing the graphics with OpenShot. I did not know it could do
quite a lot of stuff. It has various plugins that allow you to do rotation
and changing parameters of the clip, like blur something and make it go from
blur to clear, moving things and such.
That sounds a bit like you are trying to apply every LADSPA/LV2 plugin
out there to a single track :)
Alex
10:57 p.m.
No, not really. I had that problem even with very simple projects. And this
is very unfortunate, since Open Shot's possibilities are quite enough for
what I want and it is only it's instability which tires me and gives me
thoughts to stop this torment and do video with Windows.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoudine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
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Sure, but it will be out in a week. I can post
here. Also - it will be in
Russian.
Right now also doing the graphics with OpenShot. I did not know it could
do
quite a lot of stuff. It has various plugins that
allow you to do
rotation
and changing parameters of the clip, like blur
something and make it go
from
blur to clear, moving things and such.
That sounds a bit like you are trying to apply every LADSPA/LV2 plugin
out there to a single track :)
Alex
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11:23 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 00:57:22 +0400
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
No, not really. I had that problem even with very
simple projects.
And this is very unfortunate, since Open Shot's possibilities are
quite enough for what I want and it is only it's instability which
tires me and gives me thoughts to stop this torment and do video with
Windows.
I did this admittedly crappy little clip for a small game project using
openshot using a single track and extensive effects. I didn't count the
number of crashes, but there were many.
https://freeshell.de/~murks/public/Tallest.ogg
Regards,
Philipp
1 Jul
1 Jul
11:08 p.m.
This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot is a great editor.
In light of my increasing video editing, I am sorry to say that I am
beginning to contemplate switching to Windows for video. I spent the whole
day today exploring video editing tools for Linux and it was a total
disappointment.
1. Tried promising *Lightworks*. However, it doesn't have an ability to
synchronize audio to video on sub-frame level which makes lack of this one
little feature a show stopper for me - I record audio separately from video
and I need very precise sync later on. OpenShot does it easily and I always
am able to sync precisely (video camera does record audio as well and I am
able to perfectly sync audio and then mute camera audio track).
2. Tried promising *Blender Video Editor*. Unfortunately, it does not
support many video formats, at least on my machine and - most importantly -
it could not read or render the files that my camera shoots (normal mp4
files). Internet search revealed alleged problems working with mp4. Video
software that has problems with mp4... I just cannot rely on it and besides
I could find no solution whatsoever.
3. Tried *kdenlive*, hoping maybe it fixed its problems. What do you know -
it crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for
kdenlive - even the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
4. *OpenShot* works and I probably will have to use it for quick edits,
hoping it does not start randomly crashing. I did contact the developers,
but there have been numerous reports and I just don't think this is fixable
by one solution. I also am not sure I will receive a reply.
5. Tried *Avidemux* and some other video editor from the repos - both could
not even open an mp4 file properly.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Anyway, I am quite disappointed, as I am not looking forward to having a
dual boot or using an old laptop just for video editing and equally not
looking forward to fighting random OpenShot crashes. Linux definitely lacks
in terms of simple basic video editing, meaning that you are lucky if some
video software happens to work on your machine. Don't loose that luck -
don't upgrade, just stick to it if it works - you never know what bug an
upgrade will bring, a bug that might stay in there for years.
Happy hacking!
L.V.
2 Jul
2 Jul
12:15 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Whenever I've seen this claim made with any credibility, it refers to
in-house custom editing tools that are not distributed, but happen to run
on Linux because it is easy to throw huge amounts of compute power at the
problem very cheaply. I've never seen it credibly made about the sort of
Linux video tools that you or I could get out hands on.
2:46 a.m.
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 18:15 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Louigi Verona
<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux
is the best platform for high end video editing", I was just
astonished at the insolence of the claim. I mean, such
nerve...
Whenever I've seen this claim made with any credibility, it refers to
in-house custom editing tools [snip] I've never seen it credibly made
about the sort of Linux video tools that you or I could get out hands
on.
Or people confused NLVE with other video apps. Or they confuse
standalone gear, were perhaps just the display is handled by Linux, with
"Linux is used for professional video editing".
Even if there would be stable software, that provides everything that's
needed, available by the repos of Linux distros, most of us unlikely
have got the needed hardware, such as several monitors and crossfade
hand gear.
Software already was used with analog audio and video gear in the 80s.
When not using analog gear anymore, it doesn't mean that software can do
everything, it does mean that software can be used with digital gear
instead of analog gear. I wonder when and why it became a fashion to
believe that everything can be done by using software and a PC without
any additional gear.
Sure, for some needs it would be nice to have some free video apps
without the need to own special gear, that could compare to proprietary
solutions made for this purpose.
9:44 a.m.
2014-07-02 0:15 GMT+02:00 Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>om>:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
C
orollary
: linux video editing it's a pain.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Whenever I've seen this claim made with any credibility, it refers to
in-house custom editing tools that are not distributed, but happen to run
on Linux because it is easy to throw huge amounts of compute power at the
problem very cheaply. I've never seen it credibly made about the sort of
Linux video tools that you or I could get out hands on.
2:31 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Raffaele Morelli <raffaele.morelli(a)gmail.com
wrote:
C
orollary
: linux video editing it's a pain.
Explanatory axiom: video: it's a pain.
I have enough regrets about getting into nonlinear audio editing. I would
never in a million years go near video.
2:36 p.m.
And as the late and great Frank Zappa stated:
“Music is the best”
Em 02/07/2014, à(s) 09:31, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> escreveu:
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Raffaele Morelli <raffaele.morelli(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Corollary : linux video editing it's a pain.
Explanatory axiom: video: it's a pain.
I have enough regrets about getting into nonlinear audio editing. I would never in a
million years go near video.
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10:14 a.m.
On 02/07/14 17:44, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
2014-07-02 0:15 GMT+02:00 Paul
Davis<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>om>:
or "powerful video editing software is expensive on linux too"
Simon
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Louigi Verona<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
C
orollary
: linux video editing it's a pain.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Whenever I've seen this claim made with any credibility, it refers to
in-house custom editing tools that are not distributed, but happen to run
on Linux because it is easy to throw huge amounts of compute power at the
problem very cheaply. I've never seen it credibly made about the sort of
Linux video tools that you or I could get out hands on.
12:44 p.m.
2014-07-04 10:14 GMT+02:00 Simon Wise <simonzwise(a)gmail.com>om>:
On 02/07/14 17:44, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
AFAICT cinelerra is a great piece of software but lacks a wise guy in the
control room (eg. like Paul).
/r
2014-07-02 0:15 GMT+02:00 Paul
Davis<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>om>:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Louigi Verona<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
or "powerful video editing software is expensive on linux too"
Simon wrote:
Corollary
: linux video editing it's a pain.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the
insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Whenever I've seen this claim made with any credibility, it refers to
in-house custom editing tools that are not distributed, but happen to run
on Linux because it is easy to throw huge amounts of compute power at the
problem very cheaply. I've never seen it credibly made about the sort of
Linux video tools that you or I could get out hands on.
2 Jul
2 Jul
5:34 a.m.
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Louigi Verona wrote:
This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot is a
great editor.
2. Tried promising Blender Video Editor.
Unfortunately, it does not support many
video formats, at least on my machine and - most importantly - it could not read
In other words, step 1 transcode. Any article about linux video editors
agrees this is a problem. I haven't managed to figure out blender yet.
This sort of makes sense... though I don't know what the formats it
supports are. Think of it this way, would you want to use MP3 as an audio
editing format? Still, the import could do the transcode in the
application though the user might wonder why it took so long... Lots of
audio editors only use wav files.
3. Tried kdenlive, hoping maybe it fixed its problems.
What do you know - it
crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for kdenlive -
even
the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
This was the one that worked for me... But I do very little video. I have
had no problems adding clips or a series of jpgs as video (my son did a
(very) short lego animation all stop frame).
4. OpenShot works and I probably will have to use it
for quick edits, hoping it
does not start randomly crashing. I did contact the developers, but there have
been numerous reports and I just don't think this is fixable by one solution. I
also am not sure I will receive a reply.
I had crashes as well with openshot. I also found it harder to use than
kdenlive, but that is probably just me, lots of people like it.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that
"Linux is the best platform
for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence of the claim.
I mean, such nerve...
"high end" means "high end"... Like the shuttle control costs more
than
all of my equipment put together.
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5:58 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
I've had the best luck with kdenlive and even produced a training
video for my wife's company with it (including some basic compositing
and animated mouse pointers, and audio & music recorded and mixed with
Ardour). I had better luck building kdenlive from scratch from SVN,
using the latest ffmpeg and other libraries compiled from scratch. It
was certainly more stable than the packaged version and the dev team
even fixed a couple of bugs quickly that I had run into and could
patch into the SVN branch. My biggest gripe about kdenlive is the
reliance on KDE libraries, which makes it inherently resource hungry.
If they stripped it down and just used Qt (like what happened with
Rosegarden), I think it would run more smoothly and not choke on HD
video.
Lightworks I like a lot, I've just started using it, but has a bit of
a learning curve and has some performance issues with the realtime
effects (although they are working on addressing some of these
issues), but for basic video editing, it's fairly stable and
Lightworks has some very nice features for syncing multicamera video
tracks with audio... again, a bit of work getting used to the
Lightworks way of editing, but it's the only affordable commercial
video NLE on Linux. Hopefully when it goes open source it will really
take off.
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it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
3. Tried
kdenlive, hoping maybe it fixed its problems. What do you know -
it
crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for kdenlive
- even
the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
This was the one that worked for me... But I do very little video. I have
had no problems adding clips or a series of jpgs as video (my son did a
(very) short lego animation all stop frame).
8:02 a.m.
The site that made the claim about superior linux tools is just a random
linux praising blog and it shows off Cinelerra, Kdenlive and OpenShot.
Yeah, it is not very credible.
I did talk to Lightworks users and basically their reply to me is twofold:
1. Lightworks is for professional film and they use hardware that does the
sync, like timecode jamming.
2. You don't need that amount of accuracy.
While I personally cannot agree with the latter statement, I do see the
point made in the first. Indeed, as someone else pointed out, computers
were seen as help, not as standalone tools.
I did not review Cinilerra, btw. It's been a while since I used it. I think
it is pretty difficult to use, I remember doing something with it, but
quickly stopping. I will look at it again.
Additionally, just so that I am not unfair to OpenShot developers (and
maybe even Kdenlive), it uses melt, which is a video editor, afaiu, command
line. And it is this melt that is buggy and crashes all the time. OpenShot
and the like are just GUIs to this. Well, more than just GUIs, but melt is
at the heart of it.
Apparently, OpenShot 2.0 is coming up which will use a different library
and it should be seemingly more stable. I just hope it will work out. I
mean, I have seen stable video editors on Earth, it should be achievable.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Len Ovens
<len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
I've had the best luck with kdenlive and even produced a training
video for my wife's company with it (including some basic compositing
and animated mouse pointers, and audio & music recorded and mixed with
Ardour). I had better luck building kdenlive from scratch from SVN,
using the latest ffmpeg and other libraries compiled from scratch. It
was certainly more stable than the packaged version and the dev team
even fixed a couple of bugs quickly that I had run into and could
patch into the SVN branch. My biggest gripe about kdenlive is the
reliance on KDE libraries, which makes it inherently resource hungry.
If they stripped it down and just used Qt (like what happened with
Rosegarden), I think it would run more smoothly and not choke on HD
video.
Lightworks I like a lot, I've just started using it, but has a bit of
a learning curve and has some performance issues with the realtime
effects (although they are working on addressing some of these
issues), but for basic video editing, it's fairly stable and
Lightworks has some very nice features for syncing multicamera video
tracks with audio... again, a bit of work getting used to the
Lightworks way of editing, but it's the only affordable commercial
video NLE on Linux. Hopefully when it goes open source it will really
take off.
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it would overturn the world."
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> 3. Tried kdenlive, hoping maybe it fixed its
problems. What do you know
-
> it
> crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for
kdenlive
- even
the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
This was the one that worked for me... But I do very little video. I have
had no problems adding clips or a series of jpgs as video (my son did a
(very) short lego animation all stop frame).
10:34 a.m.
On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 10:02 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote:
1. Lightworks is for professional film and they use
hardware that does
the sync, like timecode jamming.
2. You don't need that amount of accuracy.
I know one German filmmaker who does everything using the computer
software, IOW he isn't using several monitors, crossfade
hand gear etc.. I don't remember, but he likely use a shuttle/jog wheel,
resp. he hires people doing it for him. The Mac does control several
professional Sony video recorders, so sync can be done in a completely
other way, then when using software only. Btw. he also still owns
something like this one:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmschnitt#mediaviewer/Datei:Fotothek_df_pk_0…
His thingy is a little bit smaller, for a smaller film format and it includes a screen.
Since Germany switched from analog to DVB-T, I haven't seen anything on
television that was lip-sync. Proper audio-video sync is dated here ;).
Likely it's lip-sync by the production, but seemingly the DVB-T
receivers are unable to sync audio and video.
So there's a little bit of truth in the statement "You don't need that
amount of accuracy", but it's still a bad attitude for a company.
10:43 a.m.
On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 10:34 +0200, I perhaps was mistaken with:
The Mac does control several professional Sony video
recorders
Perhaps everything is done inside of the computer, on the HDD. The
recorders at least have got all the needed sync features.
Btw. there are analog and digital versions available for those Sony
recorders. The way video is done didn't really changed that much. In the
80s the computer was used without a GUI, to edit event lists and today
there are GUIs that show tracks instead of event lists.
9:34 a.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
Hi Louigi,
On 02/07/2014 00:08, Louigi Verona wrote:
This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot is a
great editor.
In light of my increasing video editing, I am sorry to say that I am
beginning to contemplate switching to Windows for video. I spent the
whole day today exploring video editing tools for Linux and it was a
total disappointment.
1. Tried promising *Lightworks*.
[...]
5. Tried *Avidemux* and some other video editor from
the repos - both
could not even open an mp4 file properly.
I'm not sure if that included Cinelerra. Cinelerra community version [1]
has recently regained momentum with lots of stuff going on. You will
most probably have to compile it (but that's relatively easy on
Ubuntu/Debian see [2] for an excellent guide), and it won't import some
formats out of the box.. but in my opinion it's worth a try. I would
keep ffmpeg ('original' version, not avlib) and mencoder handy whichever
software you use.
Also I'm not sure what your workflow for the gingle was, but for audio
such as sound-track, sound effects and so on (i.e. audio which is not
part of the video takes and editing cuts), I think using ardour (or any
jacktransport application) with xjadeo is a really powerful workflow.
Have fun :-)
Lorenzo.
[1]: http://cinelerra-cv.org/
[2]: http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/compilation.html
11:42 a.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
Hey Lorenzo!
Thanks for reminding me about xjadeo - I should try if I can use that tool
to do the sync as well. Although Xjadeo does not play sound, right? Because
I usually use video camera audio as something that I am syncing the
external audio recording to.
I tried Cinelerra today from community PPA and the big problem with it is
that it does not read my format and I have no idea what to do here. Same
with Blender - it looks very promising and cool, but these encoding
problems are very tough. OpenShot may be unstable, but at least it rarely
has such troubles.
Maybe there is some way to make Cinelerra see all the formats?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Louigi,
On 02/07/2014 00:08, Louigi Verona wrote:
[...]
5. Tried *Avidemux* and some other video editor from the repos - both
> could not even open an mp4 file properly.
I'm not sure if that included Cinelerra. Cinelerra community version [1]
has recently regained momentum with lots of stuff going on. You will most
probably have to compile it (but that's relatively easy on Ubuntu/Debian
see [2] for an excellent guide), and it won't import some formats out of
the box.. but in my opinion it's worth a try. I would keep ffmpeg
('original' version, not avlib) and mencoder handy whichever software you
use.
Also I'm not sure what your workflow for the gingle was, but for audio
such as sound-track, sound effects and so on (i.e. audio which is not part
of the video takes and editing cuts), I think using ardour (or any
jacktransport application) with xjadeo is a really powerful workflow.
Have fun :-)
Lorenzo.
[1]: http://cinelerra-cv.org/
[2]: http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/compilation.html
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This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot
is a great editor.
In light of my increasing video editing, I am sorry to say that I am
beginning to contemplate switching to Windows for video. I spent the
whole day today exploring video editing tools for Linux and it was a
total disappointment.
1. Tried promising *Lightworks*.
6:04 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hey Lorenzo!
Thanks for reminding me about xjadeo - I should try if I can use that tool
to do the sync as well. Although Xjadeo does not play sound, right? Because
I usually use video camera audio as something that I am syncing the
external audio recording to.
I tried Cinelerra today from community PPA and the big problem with it is
that it does not read my format and I have no idea what to do here. Same
with Blender - it looks very promising and cool, but these encoding
problems are very tough. OpenShot may be unstable, but at least it rarely
has such troubles.
Maybe there is some way to make Cinelerra see all the formats?
Hi!
What format is your videon in? I find your comment strange because last
time i was using cinelerra, the quantity of supported formats strucked me
with surprise.
But hey!! Blender is a delicious NL-VSE !! Eventualy, exporting to vimeo's
compression guidline will force you to use ffmpeg (
http://vimeo.com/24111703 )
Here are tutorials on how to synch blender with ardour using jack :)
http://vimeo.com/16840441 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz0Quk4_LwE
the vimeo one is old, now blender is shipped with jack support, but i I
didn't find any in english. However, it's really not that complicated :)
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7:03 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
On 02/07/14 11:42, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey Lorenzo!
Thanks for reminding me about xjadeo - I should try if I can use that
tool to do the sync as well. Although Xjadeo does not play sound, right?
Because I usually use video camera audio as something that I am syncing
the external audio recording to.
No xjadeo is a video player synced to jack transport. I'm not sure if
you need to use the video camera audio for 1) editing the video itself
(e.g. dialogue) or 2) sync the music, fx etc. (i.e. stuff you would edit
in a music software).
1) obviously you need to do the video editing in your video editor, I
think cinelerra has among the best audio handling features (icluding
fader automation and audio plug-ins) out there..
2)
2.1 Extract just the audio of your edited video footage e.g. with
ffmpeg -i myvideo.mp4 only_audio.wav
2.2 Open only_audio.wav in e.g. ardour and add/mix, sync all the other
audio stuff
2.3 Open myvideo.mp4 (although check the xjadeo manual for best codecs
and options... in that case mencoder is your friend) and voilà...
I tried Cinelerra today from community PPA and the big problem with it
is that it does not read my format and I have no idea what to do here.
Same with Blender - it looks very promising and cool, but these encoding
problems are very tough.
Again I think ffmpeg is your friend (plus a bit of googling maybe and
the cinelerra-cv mailing list which now-a-days is rather active)
Lorenzo
OpenShot may be unstable, but at least it
rarely has such troubles.
Maybe there is some way to make Cinelerra see all the formats?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Lorenzo Sutton
<lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com <mailto:lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Louigi,
On 02/07/2014 00:08, Louigi Verona wrote:
This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot is a great editor.
In light of my increasing video editing, I am sorry to say that I am
beginning to contemplate switching to Windows for video. I spent the
whole day today exploring video editing tools for Linux and it was a
total disappointment.
1. Tried promising *Lightworks*.
[...]
5. Tried *Avidemux* and some other video editor from the repos -
both
could not even open an mp4 file properly.
I'm not sure if that included Cinelerra. Cinelerra community version
[1] has recently regained momentum with lots of stuff going on. You
will most probably have to compile it (but that's relatively easy on
Ubuntu/Debian see [2] for an excellent guide), and it won't import
some formats out of the box.. but in my opinion it's worth a try. I
would keep ffmpeg ('original' version, not avlib) and mencoder handy
whichever software you use.
Also I'm not sure what your workflow for the gingle was, but for
audio such as sound-track, sound effects and so on (i.e. audio which
is not part of the video takes and editing cuts), I think using
ardour (or any jacktransport application) with xjadeo is a really
powerful workflow.
Have fun :-)
Lorenzo.
[1]: http://cinelerra-cv.org/
[2]: http://www.g-raffa.eu/__Cinelerra/HOWTO/compilation.__html
<http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/compilation.html>
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8:31 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
On 07/02/2014 07:03 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 02/07/14 11:42, Louigi Verona wrote:
[..]
2) 2.1 Extract just the audio of your edited video
footage e.g.
with
ffmpeg -i myvideo.mp4 only_audio.wav
2.2 Open only_audio.wav in e.g. ardour and add/mix, sync all the
other audio stuff
2.3 Open myvideo.mp4 (although check the xjadeo manual for best
codecs and options... in that case mencoder is your friend) and
voilà...
Or simply use Ardour3 >= 3.2 It can do all those steps above (and
control xjadeo) and provides a video-timeline as well.
please see http://manual.ardour.org/video-timeline/ for further
information.
Cheers!
robin
11 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Linux non-linear video editors [WAS]: Writing jingles
On 07/02/2014 11:42 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:
Maybe there is some way to make Cinelerra see all the
formats?
I also found Cinelerra to be quite usable. Had some random luck with
Pitivi and Openshot too.
You mentioned the formats problem. What codecs does your camera use?
If you need to do non-linear editing on a format which Cinelerra doesn't
handle, you could first convert the video to a lossless format like
dv/pcm in an avi container. Probably any video editor will handle that.
You may also find that it will be more stable as it is an older and more
"standard" format than h264/aac in mp4.
I usually transcode videos with avidemux. It's a bit picky with some
h264 video streams. If it offers you a "safe mode" on opening those
files, you may find it's actually more stable without. Other than that,
I found it to be quite powerful. It handles a wide range of codecs in a
versatile way. You can choose for example to rencode just the audio or
just the video or to simply cut a chunk in both streams without
reencoding at all (very fast and preserves quality). I also use it to
burn subtitles in the video, crop, deinterlace, and some other small
effects. If it doesn't work on your file, you could try ffmpeg, avconv
or mencoder from commandline.
Good luck !
Victor
9:49 a.m.
2014-07-01 23:08 GMT+02:00 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>:
This is really a pity, because otherwise OpenShot is a
great editor.
In light of my increasing video editing, I am sorry to say that I am
beginning to contemplate switching to Windows for video. I spent the whole
day today exploring video editing tools for Linux and it was a total
disappointment.
1. Tried promising *Lightworks*. However, it doesn't have an ability to
synchronize audio to video on sub-frame level which makes lack of this one
little feature a show stopper for me - I record audio separately from video
and I need very precise sync later on. OpenShot does it easily and I always
am able to sync precisely (video camera does record audio as well and I am
able to perfectly sync audio and then mute camera audio track).
2. Tried promising *Blender Video Editor*. Unfortunately, it does not
support many video formats, at least on my machine and - most importantly -
it could not read or render the files that my camera shoots (normal mp4
files). Internet search revealed alleged problems working with mp4. Video
software that has problems with mp4... I just cannot rely on it and besides
I could find no solution whatsoever.
3. Tried *kdenlive*, hoping maybe it fixed its problems. What do you know
- it crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for
kdenlive - even the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
4. *OpenShot* works and I probably will have to use it for quick edits,
hoping it does not start randomly crashing. I did contact the developers,
but there have been numerous reports and I just don't think this is fixable
by one solution. I also am not sure I will receive a reply.
5. Tried *Avidemux* and some other video editor from the repos - both
could not even open an mp4 file properly.
And then when I saw on some site a blogger write that "Linux is the best
platform for high end video editing", I was just astonished at the insolence
of the claim. I mean, such nerve...
Anyway, I am quite disappointed, as I am not looking forward to having a
dual boot or using an old laptop just for video editing and equally not
looking forward to fighting random OpenShot crashes. Linux definitely lacks
in terms of simple basic video editing, meaning that you are lucky if some
video software happens to work on your machine. Don't loose that luck -
don't upgrade, just stick to it if it works - you never know what bug an
upgrade will bring, a bug that might stay in there for years.
Happy hacking!
for the sake of completeness you could have tried cinelerra, in spite of
everything is the best I've worked with
my 0.02€
10:13 a.m.
Hi Louigi,
On 1 July 2014 22:08, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
3. Tried kdenlive, hoping maybe it fixed its problems.
What do you know - it
crashes on my Xubuntu 12.04 when I click "Add clip". So much for kdenlive -
even the stock Ubuntu version does not work, simply incredible.
I used kdenlive from the KXStudio ppas on Ubuntu 12.04 for a while and
found it quite stable. Have recently upgraded to a new machine and
14.04 so not tried there yet - in fact not sure if there is a KXStudio
kdenlive on 14.04, but kdenlive also seem to have their own ppa. I
share your frustration with the lack of stability of lots of things in
the standard Ubuntu repositories. :-/
Also, PiTiVi seems to finally be making some progress - may be one to try.
Best wishes,
Neil
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10:57 a.m.
2014-06-27 13:08 GMT+02:00 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>:
I recently started writing jingles, because I need
them for my podcast and
videos that our skeptic group produces. I did not want to use somebody
else's when I have the ability to write my own.
I found jingles to be a very complex and interesting material to work on. So
far I've written only one jingle that I am completely happy with and I am
presenting it to you here. It is a jingle that we use for our videos, when
the title of the video is shown and then the video proceeds to the lecturer.
www.louigiverona.ru/files/TV_jingle_1.flac
Has anyone else had this experience?
I am going to do a set of screencast videos soon,
so I made a very simple introductory video for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhqK-Urz45Q
The workflow I used:
1. Create the animation in the browser using svg.js (www.svgjs.com)
2. Record the screen playing the animation using ffmpeg
3. Add music with Ardour3 (using MIDI in this particular case)
This could sound as an insane workflow, but it has benefits.
(not saying this is an elegant way of doing jingles).
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12:38 p.m.
2014-07-03 10:56 GMT+02:00 Carlo Ascani <carlo.ratm(a)gmail.com>om>:
2014-06-27 13:08 GMT+02:00 Louigi Verona
<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>:
I'm interested specially in the use of that JS lib for SVG. Most of my
lately projects and investigations go in the way of Open Web Apps
(HTML5/CSS/Javascript...). I see that lib is really light and has at
least basic functionality very useful, would be great if it could help
you to make node graphs/workflows.
I recently started writing jingles, because I
need them for my podcast and
videos that our skeptic group produces. I did not want to use somebody
else's when I have the ability to write my own.
I found jingles to be a very complex and interesting material to work on. So
far I've written only one jingle that I am completely happy with and I am
presenting it to you here. It is a jingle that we use for our videos, when
the title of the video is shown and then the video proceeds to the lecturer.
www.louigiverona.ru/files/TV_jingle_1.flac
Has anyone else had this experience?
I am going to do a set of screencast videos soon,
so I made a very simple introductory video for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhqK-Urz45Q
The workflow I used:
1. Create the animation in the browser using svg.js (www.svgjs.com)
2. Record the screen playing the animation using ffmpeg
3. Add music with Ardour3 (using MIDI in this particular case)
This could sound as an insane workflow, but it has benefits.
(not saying this is an elegant way of doing jingles).
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