[Bob van der Poel] [...] Besides (and in addition to) looping, time-stretching can also be a great help in transcribing manually from an audio recording. Completely automatic music transcription is an active area of research, but the problem seems to remain somewhat thorny so far. It appears that some proprietary solutions are already marketed but I have no idea what quality can be expected (but if I had to make a guess, it would be a very conservative one). If you'll excuse the boldness, I'd like to recommend manual transcription as an invaluable tool to build your musicianship and your understanding of a particular piece. And for most contemporary songs, getting the chord progression right is all it takes to create a credible reinterpretation. Good Luck, Tim

Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 17:50:17 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: 1. David is right in that the song is in B-minor 2. I guess Philipp can work out the structure of the song and is not so much concerned about repeat signs or B<->H (the tab page i posted is written in english, for an international audience, I assume) 3. F# is correct, the dominant to Bm just like E is the dominant to Am 4. I listened to the song on YT now and i hear that the pianist uses a lot of additional notes inside the chords, mainly the ninth in Bm and D, as well as "walking thirds" like a-c#, b-d, c#-e at the transition from Bm to D, so that the Bm and D chords end up sounding with additional notes - Edgar

Le 22/12/2013 18:09, Edgar Aichinger a écrit : Apologies to hijack the thread but seeing your name i remembered of an Allegro by Haendel you recorded with the guitar. Title: Allegro 1 Album: Suiten und Sonaten Genre: Early Music Despite searches I never get what are the complete reference for this piece. I think it's an arrangement from harpsichord work. Do you mind to send me the complete reference if possible? Phil.

Le 22/12/2013 23:23, Edgar Aichinger a écrit : Thanks very much for your kindness. I've found a score on IMSLP: Recorder_Sonata_in_A_minor,_HWV_362 which fits my expertise. I'm a keyboardist. I enjoy the Allegro and your recording. All the best. Phil.

On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 16:27 +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Assumed the author didn't confuse the tuning, something that often happens for generation x music, when they miss to care about dropped D tunings, a tablature is read like this: For example, if at the beginning there is an A, the 3 does mean A + 3 semi steps, IOW it's a C. d + 2 IOW is a E etc..

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:46:42 +0100 Ralf Mardorf &lt;ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net&gt; wrote: Thanks, I never played the guitar, so tabs are just gibberish to me. It turns out the English Wikipedia page is detailed enough to let me translate this thing to something I understand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar#Standard I guess there's not much timing information in there. The distance (or number of dashes) may mean something, but hard to say what exactly. Regards, Philipp

Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 16:27:19 schrieb Philipp Überbacher: Well, on the left side of each horizontal line (representing guitar strings) you see a note name for the open string. A=440 is 5th fret on 1st (topmost) string. At any time location the numbers show at which fret the string has to be stopped; so just add the number you see, in semitones, to the open string note and you know the resulting pitch/musical note. The only thing not shown is the rhythm, for whatever reason - modern guitarists seem to be fine with that, probably because tabs usually are printed in parallel to musical score... Edgar

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013, at 03:39 PM, Joe Hartley wrote: Or try the Chordino Vamp plugin in Sonic Visualiser. (http://code.soundsoftware.ac.uk/projects/nnls-chroma) Chris

Quoting Joe Hartley &lt;jh(a)brainiac.com&gt;om>: And then there's Clam Chordata, too: http://clam-project.org/wiki/Chordata_tutorial -- raine(a)iki.fi http://www.mikseri.net/radioproject

On 12/22/2013 07:36 AM, Raine M. Ekman wrote: I'll have to try that, just for fun. Back on the original topic, several years ago, I tested a commercial Windows audio-to-midi converter. It did a fine job recognizing every note in a commercial song with multiple instruments and a full orchestra. It put all the notes on the same track, making the results completely useless. -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

On 12/23/2013 05:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Well, a good score is an indication of how something should be played, not every single little detail. It leaves such important components up to the individual performer. I'm really disappointed by a number of people who've learned to play by listening to others' performances; they seem to have difficulty coming up with their own sound, or show a strong propensity for sounding just like the performer they "learned" from. Most commercial pop music seems to think that's the way it's supposed to be, though. -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 22:41 -1000, david wrote: David, I only half agree, you're right, but there's a good reason for not playing music your own style. Usually they do it, because they want feedback, they don't get with their own sound. If you do something new, less people understand this, if you imitate something, people are able to understand what you do. Imagine when you was young. Go tell your parents that you want to become a professional musician, you need an evidence to show them that you are able to be a professional musician. If you tell your parents that you want to become a banker no evidence is needed. However, you can't play your own compositions, you need to play music from musicians that are known to be geniuses. Musical evolution is much slower than other evolutions, because some people won't eat anything they've never seen before. A prophet has no honor in his own country. If you tell your parents, teachers etc. that you want to become a painter (artist), they recommend to become a house-painter and decorator or car varnisher instead. It's a long and hard way before you are allowed to make your own music, to paint your own pictures. Regards, Ralf