19 Oct
2007
19 Oct
'07
3:39 p.m.
Hello!
Does anyone know some nice internet literature on composition? to be more
precise I'm looking for a book/guide to arrangements/harmony. I found a
practical book on composition, as used in German, the act of creating a piece,
general temporal structure, musical figures and gestures, but it seems to lack
the special aspect I'm looking for.
If anyone knows something helpful, please tell me.
Kindest regards
Julien
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19 Oct
19 Oct
9:37 p.m.
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 07:39:49PM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hello!
Does anyone know some nice internet literature on composition? to be more
precise I'm looking for a book/guide to arrangements/harmony. I found a
practical book on composition, as used in German, the act of creating a piece,
general temporal structure, musical figures and gestures, but it seems to lack
the special aspect I'm looking for.
If anyone knows something helpful, please tell me.
Kindest regards
Julien
I'm slowly working my way through this booK:
http://www.amazon.com/Composing-Music-Approach-William-Russo/dp/0226732169
It seems quite good so far, and the exercises are satisfyingly brain-stretching.
I am largely self-taught and have very little formal training, so I'm finding
the book very useful.
- -ken
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20 Oct
20 Oct
4:16 a.m.
Hi Ken!
As I saw this is a real printed book. I had a good reason asking for
"online" literature, and that is, that I am blind. So printed books are
difficult for me. But thanks anyway for the quick response.
Kindest regards
Julien
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5:12 p.m.
>>>> "J" == Julien Claassen
<julien(a)c-lab.de> writes:
J> Hi Ken! As I saw this is a real printed book. I had a good
J> reason asking for "online" literature, and that is, that I am
J> blind. So printed books are difficult for me. But thanks anyway
J> for the quick response. Kindest regards Julien
One of my favourite books on harmony is available online at
http://www.questia.com: Persichettis's "Twentieth Century Harmony".
(In case you're not familiar with questia.com, its a large online
library, where titles are available page by page as frames with text
in your web-browser, together with facilities for setting up private
bookshelfs with titles you are reading, bookmarks in the books you are
reading, searches etc.)
21 Oct
21 Oct
2:01 a.m.
andersvi(a)extern.uio.no wrote:
You might contact a local college and ask about basic music theory and
similar textbooks. A lot of such books are available as audiobooks or in
Braille.
>>>> "J" == Julien Claassen <julien(a)c-lab.de> writes:
J> Hi Ken! As I saw this is a real printed book. I had a good
J> reason asking for "online" literature, and that is, that I am
J> blind. So printed books are difficult for me. But thanks anyway
J> for the quick response. Kindest regards Julien
One of my favourite books on harmony is available online at
http://www.questia.com: Persichettis's "Twentieth Century Harmony". (In case you're not familiar with questia.com, its
a large online
library, where titles are available page by page as frames with text
in your web-browser, together with facilities for setting up private
bookshelfs with titles you are reading, bookmarks in the books you are
reading, searches etc.)
Not cheap, that Questia subscription!
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27 Oct
27 Oct
4:06 p.m.
On 10/20/07, andersvi(a)extern.uio.no <andersvi(a)extern.uio.no> wrote:
My university theory teacher helped write that! He was Persichetti's
student many years ago. I never checked out the book, as I never got into
20th Century harmony, but if you say it's good I'll have to check it out.
-Chuckk
(In case you're not familiar with questia.com, its a large online
>>>> "J" == Julien Claassen
<julien(a)c-lab.de> writes:
J> Hi Ken! As I saw this is a real printed book. I had a good
J> reason asking for "online" literature, and that is, that I am
J> blind. So printed books are difficult for me. But thanks anyway
J> for the quick response. Kindest regards Julien
One of my favourite books on harmony is available online at
http://www.questia.com: Persichettis's "Twentieth Century Harmony". library, where titles are available page by page as
frames with text
in your web-browser, together with facilities for setting up private
bookshelfs with titles you are reading, bookmarks in the books you are
reading, searches etc.)
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5:43 p.m.
Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
On 10/20/07, *andersvi(a)extern.uio.no
<mailto:andersvi@extern.uio.no>*
<andersvi(a)extern.uio.no <mailto:andersvi@extern.uio.no>> wrote:
One of my favourite books on harmony is available online at
http://www.questia.com: Persichettis's "Twentieth Century Harmony".
My university theory teacher helped write that! He was Persichetti's
student many years ago. I never checked out the book, as I never got
into 20th Century harmony, but if you say it's good I'll have to check
it out.
Once upon a time long ago I sequenced every example in that book. I
still have the MIDI files if anyone wants them.
Best,
dp
6:28 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:43:12 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
I would be interested, if it's not too much trouble
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On 10/20/07, *andersvi(a)extern.uio.no
<mailto:andersvi@extern.uio.no>*
<andersvi(a)extern.uio.no <mailto:andersvi@extern.uio.no>> wrote:
One of my favourite books on harmony is available online at
http://www.questia.com: Persichettis's "Twentieth Century Harmony".
My university theory teacher helped write that! He was Persichetti's
student many years ago. I never checked out the book, as I never got
into 20th Century harmony, but if you say it's good I'll have to check
it out.
Once upon a time long ago I sequenced every example in that book. I
still have the MIDI files if anyone wants them.
Best,
dp
20 Oct
20 Oct
9:42 a.m.
To really understand the process of being affected by music, I recommend
this subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology
Some of the illustrations there are very educational; the same processes all
apply to auditory stimuli, and are key to understanding the experience of
expectation, surprise, familiarity, resolution, etc. in people listening to
music. Or google "law of pragnanz" or "gestalt perception".
I also highly recommend Harry Partch's 'Genesis of a Music', which will
explain to you the significance of all of the intervals in modern music.
It's impossible to really understand what you're doing without some idea of
why different intervals have different effects, different levels of
consonance, etc. There are some fragmented resources online, if you search
for "musical interval", "frequency ratio", "just
intonation", or some
combination of those things. Just knowing B flat, F sharp, D sharp, etc.
doesn't help you understand much.
If you like, you can then apply this knowledge to the ABC's and treble clef
stuff, but learning that system alone doesn't tell you much about what's
really happening. Most "music theory" books and classes focus on the
vocabulary, rather than the theory.
-Chuckk
On 10/19/07, Julien Claassen <julien(a)c-lab.de> wrote:
Hello!
Does anyone know some nice internet literature on composition? to be
more
precise I'm looking for a book/guide to arrangements/harmony. I found a
practical book on composition, as used in German, the act of creating a
piece,
general temporal structure, musical figures and gestures, but it seems to
lack
the special aspect I'm looking for.
If anyone knows something helpful, please tell me.
Kindest regards
Julien
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
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======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de
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9:46 a.m.
Sorry, Julien, I read your response after posting mine. I guess the Harry
Partch book won't help you much, but I know there is some good info about
musical interval ratios online. I'll let you know if I turn up anything.
-Chuckk
On 10/20/07, Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
To really understand the process of being affected by music, I recommend
this subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology
Some of the illustrations there are very educational; the same processes
all apply to auditory stimuli, and are key to understanding the experience
of expectation, surprise, familiarity, resolution, etc. in people listening
to music. Or google "law of pragnanz" or "gestalt perception".
I also highly recommend Harry Partch's 'Genesis of a Music', which will
explain to you the significance of all of the intervals in modern music.
It's impossible to really understand what you're doing without some idea of
why different intervals have different effects, different levels of
consonance, etc. There are some fragmented resources online, if you search
for "musical interval", "frequency ratio", "just
intonation", or some
combination of those things. Just knowing B flat, F sharp, D sharp, etc.
doesn't help you understand much.
If you like, you can then apply this knowledge to the ABC's and treble
clef stuff, but learning that system alone doesn't tell you much about
what's really happening. Most "music theory" books and classes focus on
the
vocabulary, rather than the theory.
-Chuckk
On 10/19/07, Julien Claassen <julien(a)c-lab.de> wrote:
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Hello!
Does anyone know some nice internet literature on composition? to be
more
precise I'm looking for a book/guide to arrangements/harmony. I found a
practical book on composition, as used in German, the act of creating a
piece,
general temporal structure, musical figures and gestures, but it seems
to lack
the special aspect I'm looking for.
If anyone knows something helpful, please tell me.
Kindest regards
Julien
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
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======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de
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12:33 p.m.
Hi Chuck!
Thanks for telling me all this. I'll try to find a bit about the Harry P.
book you mentioned. Perhaps it is, what I'm looking for. But I'm not
completely sure. But it's a start.
Kindest regards
Julien
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
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======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
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12:58 p.m.
Julien Claassen wrote:
Thanks for telling me all this. I'll try to find
a bit about the Harry P.
book you mentioned. Perhaps it is, what I'm looking for. But I'm not
completely sure. But it's a start.
Hi Julien,
I wouldn't recommend Partch's book to a student looking for a starting
text on typical theory/composition. Harry Partch was an amazing and
idiosyncratic composer who designed his own instruments and trained
musicians on them in order to get his music heard at all (shades of Don
Van Vliet), he was pretty far from the mainstream.
Wendy Carlos has some interesting commentary on Partch's contributions.
She notes particularly that Partch's instruments were perhaps not the
best designs for projecting harmonies based on just and other
intonations (HP's instruments were mostly percussive, with not much
sustain).
Julien, can screen readers deal with PDF files ? If so, there are a lot
of things available in that format.
Best,
dp
1:20 p.m.
On 10/20/07, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
I wouldn't recommend Partch's book to a
student looking for a starting
text on typical theory/composition. Harry Partch was an amazing and
idiosyncratic composer who designed his own instruments and trained
musicians on them in order to get his music heard at all (shades of Don
Van Vliet), he was pretty far from the mainstream.
I actually wouldn't recommend Partch at all for composition, now that I
think of it. I would highly recommend him for understanding the intervals
and consonance and dissonance (i.e. a guide to harmony), which I think is
more valuable than all the ABC "theory" in the world. There really is no
other way to understand those things but to deal with the frequency ratios
and tonalities. Anything else amounts to "you can play this chord before
this chord, and a lot of people find that sound interesting, or some people
like to play this chord before this chord, or this scale, or this key
change". Beginning students have such a hard time understanding the ABC
theory precisely because it is arbitrary.
Wendy Carlos has some interesting commentary on Partch's contributions.
She notes particularly that Partch's instruments
were perhaps not the
best designs for projecting harmonies based on just and other
intonations (HP's instruments were mostly percussive, with not much
sustain).
I never heard of her observations before, but this is one of the things
(note: one of) I can't stand about Partch's music. Why would you devise a
system based on exact tuning of natural harmonics and then use nothing but
instruments with highly inharmonic timbres to realize it?
-Chuckk
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2:12 p.m.
Hi!
Perhaps I should tell you a few things about me: I'm playing and composing
music for about 14 years now. At the moment I play mostly Bach (Well-temper
Klavier, goldberg Variations) and I understand a fair deal about harmonics. I
also have SOME basic knowledge about counter punctual composition. but I lack
some good practical/theoretical advise about some things:
1. If I have a melody and perhaps a bassline/chords I wanna play, how to write
a four voice construct from it? Perhaps some advanced things about
chord-progressions/chord substitutions. The music I write is mostly progrock,
with some jazz/ some classic/baroque, some pop and a few other elements. I'd
also perhaps need some more about transional techniques and standard figures.
that sort of thing, is what I'm roughly looking for. I'm not afraid of theory,
if I don't get it, there are always people to discuss with here around my home
and probably on this list or other internet platforms.
One last thing: Yes I can sometimes read pDF, depends on how well the pdf
was made. But I have to see them, usually it's ok.
Kindest regards and thanks
Julien
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22 Oct
22 Oct
2:36 p.m.
Hallo,
Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote:
I wouldn't recommend Partch's book to a
student looking for a starting
text on typical theory/composition. Harry Partch was an amazing and
idiosyncratic composer who designed his own instruments and trained
musicians on them in order to get his music heard at all (shades of Don
Van Vliet), he was pretty far from the mainstream.
Wendy Carlos has some interesting commentary on Partch's contributions.
She notes particularly that Partch's instruments were perhaps not the
best designs for projecting harmonies based on just and other
intonations (HP's instruments were mostly percussive, with not much
sustain).
While we're at Wendy Carlos: She has a lot of stuff written on here
website: http://www.wendycarlos.com/ and I like her writing better
than that of Partch. (Being half trained as a mathematician, I have a
hard time following Partch's idiosyncratic way of talking about math
issues. I think he makes simple things much harder to follow than they
really are. Wendy is much better in that regard.)
Ciao
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