28 Jan
2007
28 Jan
'07
8:28 p.m.
6. Re: debian / ubuntu (Hartmut Noack)
nor has the Ubuntu-Stock-Kernel anymore, so there is
no big reason
anymore to prefer Ubuntu over Debian. There are some freindly tools in
Ubuntu, that try to help you out, if something is not set up OK during
Install but those do not help that much actually, as the Installer
finds and sets up everything the System knows so if you got a
problem, that is not solved by the Installer, your chances for easily
resolving it with Ubuntu-Tools is slim and by any means not much
better than on Debian.
Don't forget that Ubuntu is based on Debian "unstable". The nice things
in Ubuntu actually come from Debian - it's just that these things have
taken a little while to get through to Debian testing or stable. My
preference always lies at the sign of the red swirly thing, Ubuntu
always seems to have a problem somewhere (just my experience from a
while ago).
At the other Hand: a distro is as good as the softwarepackages that
can be installed upon and as one can install Debian-Packages on buntu
and vice versa, it turns out to be a matter of personal taste, what
becomes you best....
Debian & Ubuntu are *not* always compatible & interchangeable: Ubuntu is
based on Debian but many things are recompiled for Ubuntu. A friend of
mine trashed an Ubuntu installation by trying to add apps from Debian &
DeMuDi. I would have to say that you should always ask yourself the
following question if thinking of cross-installing Debian & Ubuntu
packages: the question is "do you feel lucky?"
Gavin.
29 Jan
29 Jan
5:37 a.m.
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Gavin Stevens schrieb:
Debian & Ubuntu are *not* always compatible &
interchangeable:
...
following question if thinking of cross-installing
Debian & Ubuntu
packages: the question is "do you feel lucky?"
True - not every Debian-kompatible repo can easily be used in Ubuntu and
vice-versa. But in the end near about every package, that is available
for one is availabe for the other also.
I had fairly good luck in 90% of the cases, when installing a
DEb-Package (as a file - not accessing its repo via synaptic/apt but via
dpkg).
Regarding the audio-question: the main thing is the Kernel and the sytem
setup. I use a third-Party-Kernel in Ubuntu Edgy Eft from a french team
called ttoine:
http://forum.ttoine.net/viewtopic.php?id=38
Works OK - not extreme hi performance but very good results with
realworld-usage-scenarios. The most apps I installed from official
universe repos, some (cinelerra) from third-party repos and some like
Audacity with dpkg.
Muse is build from source and so are some smaller tools like
oscrolloscope and fmit.
So I have modified the Standard-Ubuntu quite a lot and at the end of the
day, I think, if I would have had given the same treatments to Debian,
it would not be that much different.
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9:56 a.m.
Hallo,
Gavin Stevens hat gesagt: // Gavin Stevens wrote:
Don't forget that Ubuntu is based on Debian
"unstable".
Is it? I was under the impression that the packages in Ubuntu that
were directly taken from Debian, were more of the testing flavour. Of
course, packages going back from Ubuntu to Debian first show up in
unstable.
Ciao
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Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
3:14 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 02:41:44PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Gavin Stevens hat gesagt: // Gavin Stevens wrote:
No, definately based primarily on Debian SID (how else would the
Ubuntu packages be so bleeding edge??). See Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution)
"Ubuntu packages are generally based on packages from Debian's
unstable repository; however, they are not always compatible with
each other."
James
Don't forget that Ubuntu is based on Debian
"unstable".
Is it? I was under the impression that the packages in Ubuntu that
were directly taken from Debian, were more of the testing flavour.
30 Jan
30 Jan
7:07 a.m.
Hallo,
James Stone hat gesagt: // James Stone wrote:
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 02:41:44PM +0100, Frank
Barknecht wrote:
Well, Ubuntu packages aren't always that bleeding edge in my
experience. When I was running Ubuntu on my laptop (which now has been
converted to plain Debian again, thank god), a number of the packages
I use, notably blackbox, were actually lagging behind Debian testing
and had bugs that were already fixed in Debian testing. I apt-got them
from the respective Debian testing packages.
But probably it's not really sensible to compare Ubuntu and Debian
just from the release numbers. You're right: According to
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship Ubuntu indeed is based on a
snapshop of Debian unstable. But then it forks off while going for a
release. In the remaining time both trees will become out of sync, and
that may happen in both directions as it happend for my beloved
blackbox: Debian's unstable version moved on, was fixed and entered
testing while Ubuntu's snapshot-version was still from the older
snapshot. Maybe blackbox wasn't that important to Ubuntu at that time.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Hallo,
Gavin Stevens hat gesagt: // Gavin Stevens wrote:
No, definately based primarily on Debian SID (how else would the
Ubuntu packages be so bleeding edge??). Don't forget that Ubuntu is based on Debian
"unstable".
Is it? I was under the impression that the packages in Ubuntu that
were directly taken from Debian, were more of the testing flavour.
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