25 Feb
2012
25 Feb
'12
1:44 p.m.
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
That's a step in the wrong direction.
Regards,
Ralf
25 Feb
25 Feb
1:58 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only.
:p
what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
That's a step in the wrong direction.
Regards,
Ralf 
2:10 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
Am Samstag, den 25.02.2012, 13:58 +0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Absolutely true, but, for that case you didn't need a linux derivation
witch is mean as a development base. Simply select a stable branch for
that and be done. Then, you didn't need to know anything about linux to
use it.
So, your points may all be true, but, they all forget the point that
debian/sid isn't a distribution. If you like to use blending age
software, witch is clear stated as developer version, on a outdated
mobo, you have to count with problems.
Also, I wasn't able to found a single request on any official debian
site (bug report or wish liste) witch ask for get back the nv driver.
Stated out here on a Audio User liste about missing pieces, lead in the
wrong direction.
greets
hermann
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only.
:p
what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
That's a step in the wrong direction.
Regards,
Ralf
2:29 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 14:10 +0100, hermann wrote:
So, your points may all be true, but, they all forget
the point that
debian/sid isn't a distribution.
Regarding to Debian you're right :). It isn't true for Debian
derivatives.
Stated out here on a Audio User liste about missing
pieces, lead in the
wrong direction.
Yesno.
1. To cry on among like-minded people shoulders helps to calm down and
helps to reflect and then, if still needed to file a less pathetic bug
report or wish to the right address.
2. Electioneering is part of grassroots democracy. A community like the
"pro-"audio community has more weight than some single bug reports or
wishes.
3. At least it should be mentioned to use the vesa driver, since
offending the GPL is less good and de facto nouveau is a PITA until now.
Btw. DBUS became comfortable for many "pro-"audio users, but IMO it
didn't start painful, but PA and nouveau do so.
Regards,
Ralf
9:50 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
On 02/25/2012 03:10 AM, hermann wrote:
Am Samstag, den 25.02.2012, 13:58 +0100 schrieb Ralf
Mardorf:
The last time I filed an official bug report on Debian, the report was
closed with the message: "Upgrade and see if that fixes it." IOW, we're
not interested in fixing it, we're not going to fix it, we're not even
going to figure if we've unintentionally fixed it.
I get better response from bug reports on particular apps.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Absolutely true, but, for that case you didn't need a linux derivation
witch is mean as a development base. Simply select a stable branch for
that and be done. Then, you didn't need to know anything about linux to
use it.
So, your points may all be true, but, they all forget the point that
debian/sid isn't a distribution. If you like to use blending age
software, witch is clear stated as developer version, on a outdated
mobo, you have to count with problems.
Also, I wasn't able to found a single request on any official debian
site (bug report or wish liste) witch ask for get back the nv driver. On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only.
:p
what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
That's a step in the wrong direction.
Regards,
Ralf 
2:15 p.m.
New subject: OT : Linux have to be a part of changing the world [WAS : Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!]
Le 25/02/2012 13:58, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only.
:p
Hi Ralf,
I 100% agree with your willing of a free OS for free people.
Thought Debian Stable was this universal OS.
Is it not true ?
Have almost follow the exchange between Hermann and you, and the point
seems to be the Nvidia driver ? Are you sure than NGOs use this kind of
(expensive and 3D-gamer) material on their equipments ?
Cheers,
Fred
9:46 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
On 02/25/2012 02:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Sometimes it seems that Linux users have a choice: (1) use Linux to do
whatever they do with it (such as pro audio), and thereby raise the
(audio) world's general awareness of Linux - or (2) spend their time
debugging/developing Linux apps. If you're doing (1) for a client, it's
not fair to the client for you to be doing (2) on their dime.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
PS: Some people are willing to help unpaid for social projects. They
contribute by giving e.g. medical help to children in the Third World.
It would be nice if they don't need to use Apple or Microsoft, but
instead could use a Linux that works OOTB. They don't contribute by
maintaining Linux, they don't have knowledge how to maintain a tool such
as a computer, but they contribute to the human race.
Everything that goes around, comes around ;).
It's narrow-minded to limit the cycle to Linux only. what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
That's a step in the wrong direction.
Regards,
Ralf
9:42 p.m.
New subject: Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!
On 02/25/2012 02:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:00 +0000,
linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:
Yah, 3D DE stroke developer egos more. That's why I dropped KDE in favor
of XFCE. If I wanted an OS where I had to by new hardware everytime a
new release came out, I'd have bought Windows.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
what did you suspect here ?
Users are always welcome to give feedback, suggestions, or at least,
become a part of the project. That is what FLOSS is about. FLOSS isn't
about to present you a OS on a silver tablet, FLOSS will always force
you to make it work. It is community based. If you didn't help, the
community get a bit smaller, and a piece of work fail.
what did you think why a developer develop Free Open Software ?
And what did you think why a debian maintainer do what he do ?
Do you believe they do it to suite there ego's ?
I started the translation of Qtractor a month ago and due to issues such
as pulseaudio and the dropped nv driver (and some other issues) I can't
contribute, continue translating, but just fix issues, hence my only
contribution could be to set up machines for users who are willing to
learn, but are unable to learn all things at the same time, for their
first Linux install. At least distros shouldn't do a default install
with 3D effects enabled DEs and than install the nouveau driver by
default if a NVIDIA graphics was detected. A 2D desktop and the vesa
driver would allow beginners to get their first install working OOTB and
to learn how to maintain their own machine. Btw. some distros don't
install bryltty by default. Nowadays only 3D DEs count.
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