20 Jan
2010
20 Jan
'10
9:32 p.m.
Hello all,
With all the Linux audio tools around, is there a way to have
the type of sequences/arpeggios like Tangerine Dream was using ? A
simple example would be ZynAddSubFx's 'Sequence 2' patch. I wonder
how Tangerine Dream were doing these sequences and arpeggios. Like for
instance the beautiful sequenced synth right after the piano intro on
'Ricochet'. In those times they surely did not have powerful
sequencers to store all of these for live concerts. They must have
relied on some programmable arpeggio type of function. Is there a way
to have such a flexibility to create similar things in Linux and if so,
which tools ?
Thanks.
20 Jan
20 Jan
9:57 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:32 PM, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Hello all,
With all the Linux audio tools around, is there a way to have
the type of sequences/arpeggios like Tangerine Dream was using ? A
simple example would be ZynAddSubFx's 'Sequence 2' patch. I wonder
how Tangerine Dream were doing these sequences and arpeggios. Like for
instance the beautiful sequenced synth right after the piano intro on
'Ricochet'. In those times they surely did not have powerful
sequencers to store all of these for live concerts. They must have
relied on some programmable arpeggio type of function. Is there a way
to have such a flexibility to create similar things in Linux and if so,
which tools ?
There are midi files here to get you started:
http://www.tadream.net/midi.htm
Any linux sequencer like seq24 and rosegarden will play those. I've
never seen a midi file for 'Ricochet' , that'd be kool. Lots of synths
of that era had built in sequencers, and analog sequencers then also
did exist, so they used that I believe when possible.
HTH,
- R
5 Feb
5 Feb
8:59 p.m.
Le Mercredi, 20 Janvier 2010 22:57:10 -0300,
robert lazarski <robertlazarski(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:32 PM, lanas
<lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
That's not it I think. Using a sequencer for that is like painting the
Mona Lisa by number. Tangerine Dream surely have used some sequencers
but a large part of their work resided in the capability to modify in
real time what sound like 'sequences' by turning knobs and plugging
wires as sounds were made. As such, it was really a performance, more
than we could think in general. So I think rather they were using
complex arpeggiators. Today we can listen to that and write it down in
a MIDI file, but that's not what I'm looking for.
Recently I got the latest by Ozric Tentacles (Yum-yum Tree) and they
also are using some of those real-time modifiable pseudo-'sequences' so
I guess some synths are sold with that capability.
I had the suggestion that qmidiarp could do something similar, so I'll
check it out soon. Using too much of that could be unnerving (a
critiscm I make towards the Ozrics sometimes) but by itself it sure
sounds fun to groove to. I like the 'Sequence 2' in zynaddsubfx for
starters.
Cheers.
With all the Linux audio tools around, is there
a way to have
the type of sequences/arpeggios like Tangerine Dream was using ? A
simple example would be ZynAddSubFx's 'Sequence 2' patch. I wonder
how Tangerine Dream were doing these sequences and arpeggios. Like
for instance the beautiful sequenced synth right after the piano
intro on 'Ricochet'. In those times they surely did not have
powerful sequencers to store all of these for live concerts. They
must have relied on some programmable arpeggio type of function.
Is there a way to have such a flexibility to create similar things
in Linux and if so, which tools ?
There are midi files here to get you started:
http://www.tadream.net/midi.htm
Any linux sequencer like seq24 and rosegarden will play those. I've
never seen a midi file for 'Ricochet' , that'd be kool. Lots of synths
of that era had built in sequencers, and analog sequencers then also
did exist, so they used that I believe when possible. 
6 Feb
6 Feb
4:51 a.m.
lanas wrote:
Le Mercredi, 20 Janvier 2010 22:57:10 -0300,
robert lazarski <robertlazarski(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
You could also try PHASEX which has the possibility to generate
arpeggios that can be modified. Or a tool like Arpage, a MIDI arpeggiator.
PHASEX: http://sysex.net/phasex/
Arpage: https://sourceforge.net/projects/arpage/
Best,
Jeremy
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:32 PM, lanas
<lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
That's not it I think. Using a sequencer for that is like painting the
Mona Lisa by number. Tangerine Dream surely have used some sequencers
but a large part of their work resided in the capability to modify in
real time what sound like 'sequences' by turning knobs and plugging
wires as sounds were made. As such, it was really a performance, more
than we could think in general. So I think rather they were using
complex arpeggiators. Today we can listen to that and write it down in
a MIDI file, but that's not what I'm looking for.
Recently I got the latest by Ozric Tentacles (Yum-yum Tree) and they
also are using some of those real-time modifiable pseudo-'sequences' so
I guess some synths are sold with that capability.
I had the suggestion that qmidiarp could do something similar, so I'll
check it out soon. Using too much of that could be unnerving (a
critiscm I make towards the Ozrics sometimes) but by itself it sure
sounds fun to groove to. I like the 'Sequence 2' in zynaddsubfx for
starters.
Cheers.
With all the Linux audio tools around, is there
a way to have
the type of sequences/arpeggios like Tangerine Dream was using ? A
simple example would be ZynAddSubFx's 'Sequence 2' patch. I wonder
how Tangerine Dream were doing these sequences and arpeggios. Like
for instance the beautiful sequenced synth right after the piano
intro on 'Ricochet'. In those times they surely did not have
powerful sequencers to store all of these for live concerts. They
must have relied on some programmable arpeggio type of function.
Is there a way to have such a flexibility to create similar things
in Linux and if so, which tools ?
There are midi files here to get you started:
http://www.tadream.net/midi.htm
Any linux sequencer like seq24 and rosegarden will play those. I've
never seen a midi file for 'Ricochet' , that'd be kool. Lots of synths
of that era had built in sequencers, and analog sequencers then also
did exist, so they used that I believe when possible. 
9:24 a.m.
As far as I recall, Tangerine Dream's best known work was
characterised by heavy use of analogue sequencers. Maybe something
like SoftWerk would fit the bill?
http://softwerk.sourceforge.net/
10:27 a.m.
New subject: QMidiArp and Tangerine Dream
Hi all,
As far as I recall, Tangerine Dream's
best known work was
characterised by heavy use of analogue sequencers. Maybe
something
like SoftWerk would fit the bill?
wow I didn't even know about softwerk. Looks interesting.
QMidiArp actually does a little bit like that now, although it has not yet been released.
It incorporates three types of modules: Arp, LFO and Seq that play together in sync, and
the intention was exactly to allow to produce phrases like TD has been using in that
period of their life, and that can easily be modified while running.
I have been working on this during the last 6 months and would be really pleased if
someone could give me some feedback on the latest CVS (even if it has a Q GUI ;) ) so that
I can get more of an idea for releasing it.
Manpages are included.
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@alsamodular.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/alsamodular co -P
qmidiarp
For building it you need to run "autoreconf -i" before configure.
Regards
Frank
8 Feb
8 Feb
2:52 a.m.
New subject: QMidiArp and Tangerine Dream
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Frank Kober wrote:
[...]
I have been working on this during the last 6 months
and would be really pleased if someone could give me some feedback on the latest CVS (even
if it has a Q GUI ;) ) so that I can get more of an idea for releasing it.
Manpages are included.
hi,
wow, quite a porogress since 0.0.2.
The new LFO and seq stuff is nice.
No showstopper, but with higher values of resolution
and length, when hand-drawing an LFO waveform,
the mouse needs to move very very slow to avoid
skipping points.
After widening the window to about 10x the screen
width :) I actually could draw in highest resolution.
Never mind, just a marginal case.
Everything else I tried worked well.
thanks,
d
3:40 a.m.
New subject: QMidiArp and Tangerine Dream
Hi David,
--- En date de : Lun 8.2.10, David Adler <david.jo.adler(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
with higher values of resolution
and length, when hand-drawing an LFO waveform,
the mouse needs to move very very slow to avoid
skipping points.
Thanks much for the test. You're right :) there should be some interpolation when
drawing high resolutions and small display size, I hadn't tried this, will fix...
Cheers
Frank
6 Feb
6 Feb
12:09 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I recall, Tangerine Dream's best known
work was
characterised by heavy use of analogue sequencers. Maybe something
like SoftWerk would fit the bill?
http://softwerk.sourceforge.net/
thanks for the plug, BUT:
current version is http://ardour.org/files/softwerk-3.0.tar.bz2
and on some versions of gcc, you will also need
http://ardour.org/files/softwerk.patch
*** PLEASE DO NOT USE THE VERSION ON SF.NET ***
the new version is MUCH more stable, has more features and is just
better in every way. I haven't released it due to lack of time, even
though it really is ready to go.
--p
4:42 p.m.
Le Samedi, 6 Février 2010 11:09:31 -0500,
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> a écrit :
current version is
http://ardour.org/files/softwerk-3.0.tar.bz2
Thanks to all for the feedback on arpeggiators. I've quickly looked at
the links given and there are a few things to explore there ! Isee
some have a lot of settings that can be modified. I wonder what woudl
be the interface. Mouse clicks wouldn't do it. A computer keyboard
would be better. Controls knobs, buttons, pads and sliders
commonly found on MIDI keyboards would be quite good. In any case, it
could be extra nice to be able to record (Seq24, upcoming MIDI Ardour
perhaps) the changes made using controllers to the arpeggiators, to be
able to reply a live performance to add tracks to it (in Ardour).
Cheers.
5:51 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:43 PM, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Le Samedi, 6 Février 2010 11:09:31 -0500,
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> a écrit :
every step in SoftWerk can be put under MIDI control, as can the
per-sequence volume control. the "usual" way for apps that i work on:
ctrl-middle-click/tweak knod-pad-fader/done.
the intent was to replace/supplement/extend devices like the
Schaltwerk or its little brother the MAQ 16/3.
current version is
http://ardour.org/files/softwerk-3.0.tar.bz2
Thanks to all for the feedback on arpeggiators. I've quickly looked at
the links given and there are a few things to explore there ! Isee
some have a lot of settings that can be modified. I wonder what woudl
be the interface. Mouse clicks wouldn't do it. A computer keyboard
would be better. Controls knobs, buttons, pads and sliders
commonly found on MIDI keyboards would be quite good.
7 Feb
7 Feb
6 a.m.
--- En date de : Sam 6.2.10, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> a écrit :
! Isee
some have a lot of settings that can be modified. I
wonder what woudl
be the interface. Mouse clicks wouldn't do it.
A computer keyboard
would be better. Controls knobs, buttons, pads and
sliders
commonly found on MIDI keyboards would be quite good.
In any case, it
could be extra nice to be able to record (Seq24, upcoming
MIDI Ardour
perhaps) the changes made using controllers to the
arpeggiators, to be
able to reply a live performance to add tracks to it (in
Ardour).
Maybe that's not what you need but the most relevant of qmidiarp's controls have
midi learn (right-click context menu) and the step sequencer can be programmed or
transposed through incoming notes played on a connected keyboard.
Regards
Frank
8:19 a.m.
Hallo,
lanas hat gesagt: // lanas wrote:
That's not it I think. Using a sequencer for that
is like painting the
Mona Lisa by number. Tangerine Dream surely have used some sequencers
but a large part of their work resided in the capability to modify in
real time what sound like 'sequences' by turning knobs and plugging
wires as sounds were made. As such, it was really a performance, more
than we could think in general. So I think rather they were using
complex arpeggiators. Today we can listen to that and write it down in
a MIDI file, but that's not what I'm looking for.
The modern equivalent to what you describe could be live coding in Pd,
SuperCollider etc., e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zKzxqN5mUI or
http://vimeo.com/5272693
Ciao
--
Frank
2:06 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> wrote:
The modern equivalent to what you describe could be live coding in Pd,
SuperCollider etc., e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zKzxqN5mUI or
http://vimeo.com/5272693
Yes indeed -- SuperCollider has a fantastic pattern system that's ideal for
this. You program a pattern and create the synths, then over time, in
realtime, you can modify and change the patterns (and synths, and effects,
and everything else).
There's a good-sized learning curve, but H. James Harkins has created a
fabulous guide/tutorial that focuses on the right things:
http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/supercollider/trunk/build/H….
This really is an amazing way to make music. If you haven't tried
SuperCollider, I can't recommend it enough -- it's the power of Csound
combined with the natural realitime capabilities of pd, plus a lot more.
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