On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 00:29:39 -1000 Joel Roth <joelz(a)pobox.com> wrote: Isn't that a thing of the past by now ? I have a Linux Mint 17 system, a couple of years old, and pulseaudio simply goes through jack. Since everything else apart from 'pro' audio uses pulseaudio, this makes it quite simple to handle. I did have to add the pulseaudio sink though, it was not installed automatically. But isn't that the case with many other things in all OSes ? Eg. you can run 'pro' audio in Linux, which is an add-on to the default audio system, although you have to configure this or that to do so. As such it is not a conflict with an uppercase 'C' but rather a configuration adjustment to be done.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:36:48 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: IIRC when installing jack on Ubuntu, there's a dialog helping the user to set up everything correctly. OTOH for user-friendly distros such as Ubuntu pulseaudio likely does cause issues. Regards, Ralf

Ummm, gotta ask ... what dialog? I don't want to turn hijack a thread ... but I use Ubuntu (and PulseAudio). Would love a dialog to get jack going. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Peter <list(a)schmitteckert.com> wrote: -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 19:42:32 +0200 Peter <list(a)schmitteckert.com> wrote: Does this mean that the pulseaudio jack sink is no longer needed ? I still have an OS, Linux Mint 17, which is a couple of years old - should update soon and find out about any changes.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:47 PM, jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote: orthogonal. the jack sink allows pulse to send audio to JACK. that's unrelated to what has just been described. note: the technique described works, but not reliably.

a completed solution for all tasks between pulseaudio and jackd via qjackctl you'll find here: https://github.com/brummer10/pajackconnect Am 03.04.2017 um 19:50 schrieb Hermann Meyer:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:22:08 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: I seem to remember correctly. Following the "browse source code" link from https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/jackd2 , then opening the "debian" folder, apart from the post install scripts there's also this: "Enable realtime process priority? If you want to run jackd with realtime priorities, the user starting jackd needs realtime permissions. Accept this option to create the file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf, granting realtime priority and memlock privileges to the audio group. . Running jackd with realtime priority minimizes latency, but may lead to complete system lock-ups by requesting all the available physical system memory, which is unacceptable in multi-user environments." https://sources.debian.net/src/jackd2/1.9.10%2B20150825git1ed50c92%7Edfsg-5…

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Hermann Meyer <brummer-(a)web.de> wrote: ​All that does on my system (Ubuntu 16.10) is give me a choice for realtime operation (that's with jackd2). Doing with jackd gives a new terminal prompt with no option dialog.​ -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, 19:21 Ralf Mardorf, <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote: The default PulseAudio configuration on Ubuntu times out and releases the soundcard after a short period of inactivity. Unless you're trying to start JACK in that short window it's likely not the issue. Best wishes, Neil Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:36:48 -0700 Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote: That is incredibly and hard to believe. Getting JACK to work was relatively easy even back when I first tried it, which must be nearly ten years ago. Since then PA came into the mix, which complicates matters somewhat. Anyway, using ALSA directly is no drawback, as long as you don't need routing or a program that does not support ALSA. Those programs are relatively few, Ardour and maybe a few others require JACK. Firefox will require PA soon and there are a few others, but that's an entirely different story.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:06 PM, <hollundertee(a)gmx.net> wrote: Ardour has not required JACK since version 4.0

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Louigi Verona wrote: In the conclusion is the line: "it always has been and is likely to stay a community of people who enjoy communal software development. It is not a community of musicians." My experience is that windows or MacOS are the same. From the days when music was recorded on an Ampex 601, there has been the musician and the engineer. This has not changed. There are are very few musicians (percentage wise) who are able to deal with any DAW on any OS. Since I started playing or working with bands in the early 70s, there has genrally been one person in the band who owns and knows how to connect/operate FOH let alone record things. Yes it was all tape in those days... and the engineer was called such because they designed and built (or rebuilt) some of the audio bits that were used in the studio and on the road. Just because we have moved to digital audio has not really changed this. Yes computers are on stage much more than before. But if a KB player has a computer, they probably know how to get interesting sounds out of it... but not how to record, mix or master those sounds. Yes people can now afford to record in their bedroom, but most of the stuff that comes out of the bedroom no matter the OS, is not worth listening too.... Sometimes the artist's artistry shows through in spite of the poor technical quality of product.... but that is about it. Musicians seem to do about as well with a smart phone video selfie as with a DAW. A recording engineer is expected to know their tools and make changes. Check the credits of almost any recent movie, there is a software department because they make new software (or modify existing sw) for each movie. Almost all audio software and the hardware that goes with it are advertised for the musician. That is smart advertising because there are a whole lot more musicians (who can't afford to pay for studio time) who will buy their stuff, but the reality is that once that stuff is bought, it doesn't get used by most of the people who buy it. As it turns out, this is good for the Linux audio community because at least there are affordable bits of audio hardware to play with. (of course the quality of these hardware bits reflects the intended audience) For the most part, audio software is not for musicians, but for engineers. Musicians may be talented, but their talents lie in making music, not recording it. There are a few musicians (percentage wise) who are able to do both. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net

Am 03.04.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Louigi Verona: Ups, so go on, . . . Thanks for your answer, . . Overview < Opinion == ?? bye

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 19:15:52 +0200 Louigi Verona &lt;louigi.verona(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Humble Appologies! Must learn to properly engage brain before opening mouth :( -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits.