On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:49:08 -0500 (EST) John Bleichert <syborg(a)stny.rr.com> wrote: It's not required. The Delta will take any line-level input. You will need some sort of pre-amp for mics, but the mixer will do a great job of that. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - Senior Unix Admin - Ingenta inc. 111R Chestnut St., Providence, RI 02903 - cell 401.338.9214 Joe.Hartley(a)ingenta.com - AOL IM: JoeHartley Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:49:08PM -0500, John Bleichert wrote: No - it's certainly optional. The Audio Buddy is just a cheap, two-channel mic-pre. The manual for the Delta44 probably includes that in the diagram so there's a mic example for the soundcard. Nope - you'll be using the pre's on your mixer this way, and then line level out to the Delta44. Should work fine. For what it's worth though, I've listened to some recordings with the Audio Buddy (at www.thelisteningsessions.com, which you should all go check out) and for a cheap pre, it sounds damn nice. Anyone here have one? Any comments on it? -- Ross Vandegrift ross(a)willow.seitz.com A Pope has a Water Cannon. It is a Water Cannon. He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water Cannon. He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He Blesses the Hell out of it. It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He has it pierced. It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He makes it official. It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. Batman and Robin arrive. He shoots them.

"TRBishop" <gnudad(a)charter.net> writes: ...It's probably the best bit of hardware I've ever bought... most everything I do is synthesized though... I can't help you a lot with recording. As far as sound quality goes... at that price range... I don't think you can beat it. The difference in capabilities as far as both generation of sounds and in editing/authoring/sequencing/whatever/etc {you can crank all the delays in sound forge's multitap delay to about 3 times as high as you can with a 48/24 card... before it starts to tear your ears out. :}} The amount of additional depth you can give things is something you've just got to hear. It gives you a lot of room to play with in coagula as well. {you can actually get sounds out of it instead of just noise.} It's the same in snd for that matter {Tho I don't really have any 16 bit experience to relate it to. {'Least not in years.}}

On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:49:08PM -0500, John Bleichert wrote: The Audio Buddy is just a preamp. Anythinge else you have that provides sufficient gain will do the job. You may find that the Audio Buddy gives you lower noise than the guitar FX box, but if you weren't having a noise problem before there's no point in wasting the money. If you want to use a real mic (as opposed to electric guitar) noise becomes more of an issue as the mic output level may be lower. Pro: The Audio Buddy supplies phantom power so you can use a condenser mic Con: The Audio Buddy's phantom power is about 30-40V instread of the standard 48V so some connenser mics still won't work (duh!) Pro: Other users have found the AB to be a dramatic improvement on the mic preamps in a 4 track minidisc system. Con: The AB still isn't in the golden ears audiophile class, but it's probably up there with the preamps in a home recording mixer, so.... Yes: the mixer should have mic preamps in it which will be at least as good as the AB, and it probably supplies 48V phantom power in case you need it. It will ceraiunly produce line level output that will be right for the Delta44. If you're prepared to invest in a mixer, you don't need the other stuff. The only exception is where you get a golden-ears preamp at a cost of [more that the whole mixer] to bypass the mixer's own preamps on critical channels (e.g. vocals) but I don't get the impression that you're in that league.. yet :-) Of course , you might want to keep the effect pedal for the effects, but you can feed the output of through the mixer - you'll just need to lower the mixers gain on that channel (trim control and/or 'line input' switch. Hope that makes sense! -- Anahata anahata(a)treewind.co.uk Tel: 01638 720444 http://www.treewind.co.uk Mob: 07976 263827

Alex Timmer wrote: Thanks... I was of course spending that time trying to graduate from the very .edu that hosts this mailing list... still haven't succeeded. ;) Taken all of the classes, just need the grades in. Also, thanks to the list for the good tips on what is necessary insofar as preamping. I have a sort of odd question though. I am aiming for a delta 44 or 66 sometime in the future, so I'll need balanced TRS (1/4 plugs) for my mics. But right now, I'm micless (sold them to a friend) and want to get some. Problem is, right now I have an original tascam portastudio 424, which AFAIK doesn't take TRS plugs and definitely doesn't have xlr inputs. TRS can go into 'TS' just fine, right? -Rich

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Richard Seymour wrote: The Delta44 is great. Easy to work with, controllable with env24control. Bit of a learning curve for the envy tool, but once you get the hang of it it's fine. Installation: I've had ALSA rc7 installed for quite q while, I was using my sblive with it. I didn't even need to rebuild anything, just plug the card in and 'modprobe snd-ice1712' - HAHA! Simple. I ran it for a while with both sound cards, but once I figured out the Delta, I removed the sblive - it was unnecessary. Note: You will need some sort of monitoring system for the audio output. There's no 'out' for PC speakers. A little creative routing sends game and interface sounds to the 44's outs. I do not know how or if I'll be able to play audio CDs. I didn't see the usual 'cd in' header on the 44, although I may have missed it. This is really low priority for me, Ill get to it. Audacity 1.0 plays and records fine with it. I haven't had a chance to beat on it, and the multi-input capabilities of that app are in development right now. Seems fine so far. The Delta works fine with Ardour. I'm not skilled enough yet in ardour to really comment on it, beyond saying it's a breeze to use all the I/O ports on the 44. Haven't tried much else on it yet, I'm waiting for my mixer to arrive (the first one showed up DOA...). Comments welcome, esp. on the CD question. I love the card, the sound is great. It is a much-needed boost for my home studio. JB # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Paul Winkler wrote: I believe I routed PCM Out 1 to HW Out 1, PCM Out 2 to HW Out 2, then adjusted IPGA0 and IPGA1 in envy24control up a little bit. I can't test it right now (I'm out of cables) and I'm not fully up to snuff on the routing, but I think that's what I did. When I get more cables, I'll wire it up and check. Don't need that particular sound channel until the Linux NWN client comes out :) JB ___________________________________ John Bleichert syborg(a)stny.rr.com