5 Sep
2013
5 Sep
'13
8:15 p.m.
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see
the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
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5 Sep
5 Sep
8:49 p.m.
The world of commercial/enterprise networking and security products is rife with
applications running under Linux on badged appliances. There are thousands of them and
some very successfulcompanies have basically just sold FOSS software on rack-mount Linux
boxes under their ownname - Barracuda and Fortinet both started out this way but even the
likes of CheckPoint, Ciscoand many others are also doing exactly the same, albeit some
with their own enhancements.
Will 'Linux Inside' ever become a respected badge? No.
It is worth noting that about 10 years ago there was a big shift when people started to
recognisethat Linux/FOSS software was actually a lot more trustworthy than closed source -
it was aroundthe time that BIND, Apache, Tomcat, Postgress and all the other apps started
running the internet,they were without much contest far better than the closed source
equivalents.
That period is close to over since these apps are now being delivered in commercial
products, theconcept of 'powered by linux' is no longer really of relevance. It is
just there, we use it and why should we really care?
The bigger move at the moment is the slow, death by a thousand cuts that is happening to
MS.Smartphone, tablets, fridges, microwave, phablets are now all running some version of
Unix, bethat thanks to google, apple or embedded systems.
MS can fight to keep the desktop - they don't have much action that suggest they
really willplay in other spaces but that is not going to be a benefit for Linux as such:
The concept that youare using linux is now irrelevant. We here might be using it and be
proud of it on LAU and LAD butthe far vaster majority of happy users have it on their
android phones (and Apple i* (tm) gear, this is after all just Unix) and don't really
give a monkeys uncle what it is, as long as it does what theywant. MS has not got their
head around that yet but finally, and correctly, the OS is no longerof much significance
in most market segments
Penguin under the hood? Who cares? What the product does might be enabled by the OS and
Unixhas become that OS but it is totally irrelevant with respect to the capabilities of
the product itself - the OS is the petrol, diesel or LPG that you put in your car, the car
is what you are reallyinterested in. As I said, this might not be the case on LAU/LAD so
this might be a little OT.
Regards, nick.
"at the end of the day its nil nil at half time”.
Trevor Brooking
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:15:43 +0200
From: nettings(a)stackingdwarves.net
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: [LAU] pro gear that runs embedded linux...
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see
the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT
http://stackingdwarves.net
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8:50 p.m.
Hello Joern!
I seem to remember, that the Yamaha Motif synthesizer series is powered by
Linux. This was discussed some timeago, when the first family member came out.
some people were trying for an accessibility hack. Yamaha didn't really
promote the fact, if I remember correctly.
The other synth I can remember was the Korg Oasis. Its flagship of a couple
years ago. I think there was a little more mention of the fact. I'm not sure,
if Korg still use Linux in their latest Kronos series. It seems to have
similar features plus a lot of updates, but who knows.
I think mainly people aren't interested on what their gear is running. If
they don't see it, they don't want/need to know about it. Especially since
most platforms (synths, mixers, etc.) don't appear to allow the installation
of extra apps. :-) that might make a difference. :-)
Warm regards
Julien
----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
8:59 p.m.
On 09/05/2013 08:15 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see
the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
I think most musicians don't think of operating systems. Wouldn't be
surprised if they think the audio app they use most is the OS. ;-)
--
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9:04 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose
data gets
shuffled around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Meyer Sound's D-Mitri processors, to name a big one...
Ciao,
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A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
9:06 p.m.
The MOD processors are proudly Linux powered :-)
www.portalmod.com
2013/9/5 Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Jörn
Nettingsmeier wrote:
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear
whose data gets
shuffled around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Meyer Sound's D-Mitri processors, to name a big one...
Ciao,
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9:36 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Jörn
Nettingsmeier wrote:
Just checked out the D-Mitri line. I'm amazed, jealous. That's exactly
the kind of scalable gear that I'd dream of building.
Do they really have AVB on those?
Chuck
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear
whose data gets
shuffled around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Meyer Sound's D-Mitri processors, to name a big one...
Ciao,
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6 Sep
6 Sep
11:52 a.m.
On 09/05/2013 09:36 PM, Charles Z Henry wrote:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org
<mailto:fons@linuxaudio.org>> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
i haven't used the d-mitri yet (i did use galileos a couple of times,
anyone know what those are running), but yes, meyer sound is a big
player in avb gear, check out the babble at
http://www.avnu.org/about_us/our_members .
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Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT
http://stackingdwarves.net
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear
whose data gets
shuffled around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Meyer Sound's D-Mitri processors, to name a big one...
Ciao,
--
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Just checked out the D-Mitri line. I'm amazed, jealous. That's exactly
the kind of scalable gear that I'd dream of building.
Do they really have AVB on those? 
5 Sep
5 Sep
9:16 p.m.
Some of the very expensive amateur automated mixer and hard disc
recorder workstations from Yamaha, that expensive that I only know
professionals who bought them in the 90s or was it around 2000?, so I at
least will call it semi-pro, at startup showed Tux. Those workstations
seem to be commercial flops.
However, most consumer satellite television receivers have Linux inside,
Android is Linux, but nobody would win customers, if they would
advertise their gear with Linux inside. Too many people experience
frustrating issues, when they tried to use Linux. Linux is available for
free as in beer. A customer in addition might think that "if it's free,
it can't be any good" and why is the gear that expensive, when they use
free stuff inside?
9:25 p.m.
On 09/05/2013 09:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Some of the very expensive amateur automated mixer and
hard disc
recorder workstations from Yamaha, that expensive that I only know
professionals who bought them in the 90s or was it around 2000?, so I at
least will call it semi-pro, at startup showed Tux. Those workstations
seem to be commercial flops.
However, most consumer satellite television receivers have Linux inside,
Android is Linux, but nobody would win customers, if they would
advertise their gear with Linux inside. Too many people experience
frustrating issues, when they tried to use Linux. Linux is available for
free as in beer. A customer in addition might think that "if it's free,
it can't be any good" and why is the gear that expensive, when they use
free stuff inside?
More likely to me: "If it's free, why do I have to pay you for it?"
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9:25 p.m.
A customer in addition might think that "if
it's free,
it can't be any good" and why is the gear that expensive, when they use
free stuff inside?
I think most internet savvy users have gotten over that issue. They all know that the
funniest thing they will see this year, or next, will be in a free sketchon youtube. You
can pay for on-demand TV but it will not stack up to what isout there for free.
No price tag. No demand for remuneration. No copyright. That is what people are looking
for these days, innovation and entertainment no longer means youhave to pay for it. Linux
is only a small part of that expectation.
Nick.
9:32 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>wrote;wrote:
However, most consumer satellite television receivers
have Linux inside,
Android is Linux, but nobody would win customers, if they would
advertise their gear with Linux inside. Too many people experience
frustrating issues, when they tried to use Linux.
*Raises hand* Yes, I've had some frustrating issues.
Linux *is* frustrating to setup, but then tends to be very reliable and
hassle-free once you've gone through the work to get there. Having an
engineer setup and program my embedded electronics means that someone else
has already had the headaches. Then, I get to enjoy the fun parts.
Whether or not you get that across to your customers is just a marketing
issue.
10:20 p.m.
On Thu, 2013-09-05 at 14:32 -0500, Charles Z Henry wrote:
Linux *is* frustrating to setup, but then tends to be
very reliable
and hassle-free once you've gone through the work to get there.
And that is exactly what people think. If it is based on Linux, it's for
geeks. Customers, even professional audio and video engineers want to
pay for something that already does work. Sure, they are aware that a
product does work without the need to do the setup, but they experienced
Linux with extra work and so it feels bad. Another emotional thing is
the secret recipe. Secret is better than open in the minds of most
customers. It's wiser not to advertise what's inside a product, there
are just some exceptions, if a company can make hardcore heavy rotation
commercials and sell a live style such as Apple and Microsoft, then it
sells. "We sell the product with the secret recipe inside."
An engineer want's to buy a mixer etc. and not a kernel. Known companies
selling professional mixers don't advertise that they have Alps faders
inside, this is done by companies who sell amateur mixers.
Take a look at the way those companies try to sell their products:
http://ams-neve.com/ -> http://ams-neve.com/products
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Home.aspx ->
http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/index.aspx
Both do it target-group-specific.
There's no target group for "once you've gone through the work", if you
want to sell.
7 Sep
7 Sep
3:30 a.m.
On 09/05/2013 04:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
An engineer want's to buy a mixer etc. and not a kernel. Known companies
selling professional mixers don't advertise that they have Alps faders
inside, this is done by companies who sell amateur mixers.
Of course it is!! Professional grade companies use P&Gs!
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11:14 a.m.
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 09:30:19PM -0400, Al Thompson wrote:
On 09/05/2013 04:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
An engineer want's to buy a mixer etc. and not a kernel. Known companies
selling professional mixers don't advertise that they have Alps faders
inside, this is done by companies who sell amateur mixers.
Of course it is!! Professional grade companies use P&Gs! From what I remember of the ads in e.g. Studio Sound
during
the heydays of big analog mixers, most of the big names used
P&G, and that *was* as selling point.
But there is indeed a very clear difference in how things are
marketed to professionals, prosumers and amateurs, even if the
first two seem to converge somewhat. If I see a plugin GUI with
rack handles, screws, shiny surfaces, an agressive color scheme
designed to stand out, big trademarks or any text yelling at me,
an illogical layout or any non-functional graphics, I know that
I shouldn't waste my time with it.
Ciao,
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A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
1:06 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 09:14 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 09:30:19PM -0400, Al Thompson
wrote:
Ok, perhaps a less good example, you at least can see what kind of
faders are used by the fader knobs. Companies producing professional
gear might mention what's inside too, but less often that eye-catching,
as it is done for the amateurish gear I usually have to buy.
On 09/05/2013 04:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
An engineer want's to buy a mixer etc. and not a kernel. Known companies
selling professional mixers don't advertise that they have Alps faders
inside, this is done by companies who sell amateur mixers.
Of course it is!! Professional grade companies use P&Gs! From what I remember of the ads in e.g. Studio
Sound during
the heydays of big analog mixers, most of the big names used
P&G, and that *was* as selling point. But there is indeed a very clear difference in how
things are
marketed to professionals, prosumers and amateurs, even if the
first two seem to converge somewhat. If I see a plugin GUI with
rack handles, screws, shiny surfaces, an agressive color scheme
designed to stand out, big trademarks or any text yelling at me,
an illogical layout or any non-functional graphics, I know that
I shouldn't waste my time with it.
That is a better description. While not all that flashy gear and not all
those flashy plugins are crap. Formerly in Germany it was usual to cover
names and logos with tape, when used in public and television, not only
regarding to laws against covert advertising.
However, sometimes there is Tux on a display of gear, but I never have
seen a tag "Linux inside" and IMO it's ok not to mention it that way.
12:22 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:16:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Android is Linux, ...
Not really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux
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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing." --- Malcolm X
1:12 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 22:22 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:16:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Regarding to this thread "Android consists of a kernel based on Linux
kernel", it is the same as it usually is for gear using Linux. The
hardware often does use a kernel "based" on Linux and not the vanilla
and rt patched kernels we use and the "userspace" for stand alone gear
usually isn't the software we know.
Android is Linux, ...
Not really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux 
3:46 p.m.
Android is as much Linux as OS X is Unix (Darwin). Whatever that means.
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Chris Bannister
<cbannister(a)slingshot.co.nz>wrote;wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:16:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Android is Linux, ...
Not really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux
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6:08 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 09:46 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
Android is as much Linux as OS X is Unix (Darwin).
Whatever that
means.
:)
They are Linux and UNIX regarding to the context.
"Sheldon: More wrong? Wrong is an absolute state and not subject to
degradation
Stuart: It's a little wrong to say to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's
very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge" - The Big Bang Theory
Assumed somebody considers that Android isn't Linux in the context of
this thread, then I suspect that much of the gear with Linux inside,
does not have Linux inside, even if a display should show Tux. Just a
guess, no knowledge, I don't know statistics about how many products do
use Linux and how many products do use something based on Linux.
5 Sep
5 Sep
9:25 p.m.
On 09/05/2013 08:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
...
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose
data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Harrison Consoles. A lot of their HW are Linux powered. Their use of
Linux is not very unseen but i mention them anyway.
Jostein
9:39 p.m.
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose
data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
http://www.google.com/search?q=gpl+site:yamaha.com
http://www.google.com/search?q="source+code+distribution"+site:ro…
etc.
Regards,
Clemens
9:43 p.m.
On 09/05/2013 08:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see
the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Hi Jörn,
Didn't the desk in the SPSC Studio at the IEM in Graz run on Linux? What
was the brand already?
Fairlight is using Linux: http://au.fairlight.com.au/product/quantum/
Jeremy
6 Sep
6 Sep
12:52 a.m.
* Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> [2013-09-05 21:44]:
On 09/05/2013 08:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
This is the LAWO mc^2 series Jörn already mentioned.
The SPSC is not part of IEM but an own institute right next to IEM at
the University of Technology Graz.
IEM belongs to the University of Music and Performing Arts Graz, who
have a total of two MC^2, one in the Mumuth concert venue and another
one in their classic/jazz recording studio.
http://www.lawo.de/en/references/mumuth-graz.html
Jörn, I was once using a Midas XL8, which already ran Linux some
years ago.
best, Peter
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see
the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Hi Jörn,
Didn't the desk in the SPSC Studio at the IEM in Graz run on Linux? What
was the brand already? 
4:19 a.m.
Dear Julien, and all,
ok, probably kind of a geek question : )
But, as also Yamaha motif used linux - I was thinking to get some of these
small "handcomputers" and install some linux inside, so I can use it as
MIDI synthesizer, RECORDER, player of background music (when on street) and
maybe a looper as well (with pedal).
I don't know if such thing exists..
Milan
2013/9/6 Peter P. <p8rpp(a)aol.com>
* Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
[2013-09-05 21:44]:
This is the LAWO mc^2 series Jörn already mentioned.
The SPSC is not part of IEM but an own institute right next to IEM at
the University of Technology Graz.
IEM belongs to the University of Music and Performing Arts Graz, who
have a total of two MC^2, one in the Mumuth concert venue and another
one in their classic/jazz recording studio.
http://www.lawo.de/en/references/mumuth-graz.html
Jörn, I was once using a Midas XL8, which already ran Linux some
years ago.
best, Peter
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On 09/05/2013 08:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier
wrote:
> hi guys!
>
>
> i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
> lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
> much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
> after booting)...
>
> i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an
upcoming
> job), and lo and behold, in the manual,
midas saith:
> "The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
>
> not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
> section of the manual. :)
>
> other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running
linux:
>
> * Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
> * LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
> * grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
> * the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
>
> none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be
> an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally
> disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to
> have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to
see
the day
where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
Hi Jörn,
Didn't the desk in the SPSC Studio at the IEM in Graz run on Linux? What
was the brand already? 
9:43 a.m.
On 06/09/13 02:15, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it
doesn't seem to be an
advertising item, either. is it because people are generally disinterested in
and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to have some sort of operating
system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see the day where "linux inside"
is a
hot marketing punchline.
perhaps a big selling point for embedded system gear is that it is just there,
it is dedicated to a single purpose ... and bringing an OS into the picture
blurs that distinction, it sounds too much like a general purpose computer
running an application to the marketing department.
Simon
7 Sep
7 Sep
9:15 p.m.
Actually I've got a fun fact.
When last year the Israeli parliament published the official requirements
for the new FOH system in the plenum, it stated that no Microsoft driven
console would be allowed:)
Now they are running the Lawo mc2 series...
I know this because I'm the sound engineer in the Israeli parliament:)
Best Regards,
Moshe
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier <
nettings(a)stackingdwarves.net> wrote:
hi guys!
i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and
lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it
much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately
after booting)...
i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming
job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:
"The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."
not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first
section of the manual. :)
other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:
* Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers
* LAWO mc² series of audio mixers
* grandMA2 series of lighting controllers
* the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router
none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be an
advertising item, either. is it because people are generally disinterested
in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to have some sort of
operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see the day where "linux
inside" is a hot marketing punchline.
i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled
around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?
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On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 10:15:38PM +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
Actually I've got a fun fact.
When last year the Israeli parliament published the official requirements
for the new FOH system in the plenum, it stated that no Microsoft driven
console would be allowed:)
What is the (political, ethical, pragmatic, ...) motivation behind this choice ?
I could have added security, but since plenum sessions are
(I assume) public that seems to be irrelevant.
Ciao,
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8 Sep
8 Sep
12:03 a.m.
Oh i believe it was for stability and reliability issues.
In the past years we had "sound blackouts" on several occasions because of
technical failures
so there was a decision to go as failure proof as possible.
I believe that the non Microsoft policy was actually induced by the head of
AV department...
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 10:15:38PM +0300, Moshe Werner
wrote:
Actually I've got a fun fact.
When last year the Israeli parliament published the official requirements
for the new FOH system in the plenum, it stated that no Microsoft driven
console would be allowed:)
What is the (political, ethical, pragmatic, ...) motivation behind this
choice ?
I could have added security, but since plenum sessions are
(I assume) public that seems to be irrelevant.
Ciao,
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It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
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Am 08.09.2013 00:03 schrieb "Moshe Werner" <moshwe(a)gmail.com>om>:
Oh i believe it was for stability and reliability issues.
In the past years we had "sound blackouts" on several occasions because
of technical failures
so there was a decision to go as failure proof as
possible.
I believe that the non Microsoft policy was actually induced by the head
of AV
department...
That's a nice one :-)
12:27 a.m.
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
I believe that the non Microsoft policy was actually
induced by the head of
AV department...
Mazal tov to him !
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9:54 a.m.
On Sun, September 8, 2013 8:27 am, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe Werner
wrote:
That's officially a home goal :-)
How long until he gets "taken out" or at least bribed to change his mind?
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I believe that the non Microsoft policy was
actually induced by the head
of
AV department...
Mazal tov to him !
10:12 a.m.
That seems a bit paranoid to me.
Actually everyone is quite happy with the system
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
On Sun, September 8, 2013 8:27 am, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe
Werner wrote:
That's officially a home goal :-)
How long until he gets "taken out" or at least bribed to change his mind?
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I believe that the non Microsoft policy was
actually induced by the head
of
AV department...
Mazal tov to him !
11:04 a.m.
On Sun, September 8, 2013 6:12 pm, Moshe Werner wrote:
That seems a bit paranoid to me.
Actually everyone is quite happy with the system
It will be good to know if that is still that case in 3 - 6 months time.
With all the paid M$ trolls monitoring this list you can't expect them to
swallow that one easily...
Anyway, I can sense you are wearing your shiny protective mind control
apparel so that is a good sine ;-P
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
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wrote:
On Sun, September 8, 2013 8:27 am, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
That's officially a home goal :-)
How long until he gets "taken out" or at least bribed to change his
mind?
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On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe
Werner wrote:
> I believe that the non Microsoft policy was actually induced by the
head
of
AV department...
Mazal tov to him !
9 Sep
9 Sep
2:31 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 10:12:07AM +0200, Moshe Werner wrote:
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_5.html
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wrote:
On Sun, September 8, 2013 8:27 am, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
That seems a bit paranoid to me. On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe
Werner wrote:
That's officially a home goal :-)
How long until he gets "taken out" or at least bribed to change his mind?
I believe that the non Microsoft policy was
actually induced by the head
of
AV department...
Mazal tov to him !
5 p.m.
That was quite an interesting read. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut:)
On 9 בSep 2013 15:31, "Chris Bannister" <cbannister(a)slingshot.co.nz>
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 10:12:07AM +0200, Moshe Werner
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<
pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
> wrote:
> On Sun, September 8, 2013 8:27 am, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:02:52AM +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
> >> I believe that the non Microsoft policy was actually induced by the
head
> >> of
> >> AV department...
> >
> > Mazal tov to him !
> >
>
>
> That's officially a home goal :-)
>
> How long until he gets "taken out" or at least bribed to change his
mind?
That seems a bit paranoid to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_5.html
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12:31 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 19:25 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
I could have added security, but since plenum sessions
are
(I assume) public that seems to be irrelevant.
Should have read your mail before I sent my mail. Likely not all
proceedings are open for public, that's why my guess is the same as
yours.
12:29 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 22:15 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
When last year the Israeli parliament published the
official
requirements for the new FOH system in the plenum, it stated that no
Microsoft driven console would be allowed:)
Was the reason the technical quality of Microsoft based products,
economy or the fear that some kind of spy on would be possible?
10 Sep
10 Sep
1:59 p.m.
BTW: Electro-Voice's N8000 is also running a uClinux as host system.
Regards,
Mathias
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On Sat, 2013-09-07 at 22:15 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
When last year the Israeli parliament published
the official
requirements for the new FOH system in the plenum, it stated that no
Microsoft driven console would be allowed:)
Was the reason the technical quality of Microsoft based products,
economy or the fear that some kind of spy on would be possible?
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