On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:03:41 -0800 Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote: I wonder if you're caught up in a spam filter that 'intelligently' rejects emails that appear to have the same recipient and sender. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

On 19/11/14 22:00, Federico Bruni wrote: Yes probably. I'm not sure though because I use thunderbird and have a filter to move all messages which with the lau address in To, From, CC to a specific sub-folder... In thunderbird one's own message is correctly shown if you open a thread in conversation mode. Lorenzo.

Le 19 nov. 2014 à 22:07, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com> a écrit : This may be because thunderbird displays the message from your "sent messages" folder (and not your message to the list that you haven't received)

On 19/11/14 22:40, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Actually now I remember.... if you use Thunderbird (or Icedove) as a client setting email to be marked as deleted only will 'solve' this problem. Lorenzo

A reply from a mailing list isn't a "real" duplicated mail. Not only that the receiving time differs to the send time, that might be ignored, but "From:" and "Sender:" of the mailing list's mail differ inside this mail, already without comparing it with the sent mail. The body, subject and the used servers of the sent email differ to the one received from the mailing list. The mailing lists email also does include mailing list information, an ID, how to receive help, how to unsubscribe etc. (it's not only mentioned in the footer, the body's signature). IOW the reply of a mail we sent is a completely different email. Many people ask how to unsubscribe, if they would send a mail and could receive their own mail, that came through the list, even without a footer, they would get the information inside the emails header. So, a duplicated email can't be identified by the thread informations inside the header only. Assumed "gmail merges doubles", is the header information, the bodies text, including the footer and the changed subject line merged or is the received email with equal thread information just eliminated? It doesn't sound like a smart feature, it does sound like a bug or a feature _against_ mailing lists. A user has got the choice to turn it off or on, to receive mails sent to a mailman mailing list by her/him. So the gmail feature is useless for the user.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:48:53 +0100 Set Hallström <sakrecoer(a)gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps a misunderstanding? I wasn't talking about gmail, I was talking about the mailman feature, that is available if you log in your LAU account.

On Thu, 2014-11-20 at 14:03 +0100, Set Hallström wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the link. More information can be found in the email's headers: X-BeenThere: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user.lists.linuxaudio.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/options/linux-audio-user>, <mailto:linux-audio-user-request@lists.linuxaudio.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/> List-Post: <mailto:linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org> List-Help: <mailto:linux-audio-user-request@lists.linuxaudio.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>, <mailto:linux-audio-user-request@lists.linuxaudio.org?subject=subscribe>

On Thursday 20 November 2014 08:03:06 Set Hallström did opine And Gene did reply: Its in the footer, the very last line, of ANY message coming from this listserver. If your email agent is broken, you may not be seeing the signature/footer stuff. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS

On Thursday 20 November 2014 07:55:56 Ralf Mardorf did opine And Gene did reply: Absolutely zero miss-understanding here. Because this delete duplicates cannot be turned off, gmail is about as worthless as tits on a boor hog for mailing list use, precisely because you never get the message back proving it made the list. So the un-aware keeping pinging the list trying to get a reply from the list. Tain't gonna happen and eventuatlly somebody will point out, in unpleasant language, that yes, we seen all 4 of your messages, but apparently nobody wants to do your homework for you. I've a gmail account too, don't use it precisely for that reason. People suggest you train your email agent to save a copy in the list folder, but that to me doesn't prove it was actually seen by the list subscribers. Perhaps it can be so trained. By I am not enough of a Christian Scientist to think I could believe with 100% certainty that my mail actually was seen by the list unless I SEE a reply FROM that list. Any ISP worth their daily salt, really should have & maintain their own email server, and I consider that as part and parcel of the monthly fee I pay for the net access. Unfortunately for some, their popcorn & peanuts ISP sees that as a huge headache because of all the UCE, so they, when they get a chance to farm that whole problem off to google for x bucks a month, they are just propagating the problem onto their unsuspecting customers. I bitch because my own ISP has done that, nearly 2 years ago. So I don't use that alias anymore than for personal stuff. Fortunately for me, I have a lifetime account at my former employers, who have maintained their own mail server since 1999 and while doesn't use any such rules. Not very well filtered, spamassassin kills 100+ UCE's on an average day and lets 250 more pass. But they get fed to sa-learn by a cron script, so spamassassin is gradually getting smarter. Moral of the story IS: Don't use gmail for a mailing list. Period. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:22:17 +0100 Ralf Mardorf &lt;ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com&gt; wrote: PS: And btw. there's no need to send a request to a mailing list to ensure, if the mails came through the list, since there's the mailing list archive ;).

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:07:01 -0500 Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)wdtv.com&gt; wrote: Yes, the only good way is to receive the mail or to receive an acknowledgement mail, but assumed those were bounced, then there's no need to send a mail to the list and ask, if your mails came through, then it's wiser to take a look at the archive. Sort by author, in your browser push Ctrl+F and type "Gene Heskett".

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:55:08 -0500 Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)wdtv.com&gt; wrote: No, it's a mailman option you can enable by the LAU options and any other mailman mailing list. Since an "acknowledgement mail" isn't a duplicate of the sent mail, gmail has got no reason to eliminate it. http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node24.html Hth, Ralf

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:32:53 -0500 Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)wdtv.com&gt; wrote: I don't know, but I guess you will get this information, you simply should test it. For some (perhaps for all mailing lists) it's possible to participate using a newsreader. This might be an alternative, if the mailing list using a MUA does cause issues. Regards, Ralf PS: This thread is OT and I likely have given too many hints (have written to much replies), so before I get banned, I stop contributing to this thread. I didn't get a warning yet, but in the past I got a warning. And btw. "20 November: Problems at Yahoo Mail" - https://downdetector.com/status/yahoo-mail = rocketmail. No ISP seems to knows how to do a good job :D. I'm always switching between my rocketmail and alice account.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 09:28:52AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: I separate my messages into folders/directories - different ML into different directories. I filter mail addressed to me into another directory. Well, ages ago I got a message from the LAU ML in the 'mail addressed to me' folder (either because it was CC'd or addressed to me and the List CC'd) so I deleted it because I read all my list mail in the ML directory. Well, guess what. It wasn't there!! :( I was informed I had to change a setting in the ML options -- how stupid is that!! No other list I'm on requires you to do this!! Apparently, it's to cater for Windoze users who don't filter their mail and will be confused getting two copies of the same message in their in-box! WTF!! So the default is to possibly miss a message. :/ The default should be to *always* honour the headers. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X