11 Sep
2010
11 Sep
'10
2:20 p.m.
rosea grammostola:
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Regarding heatsink, thermalright hr-02 looks really promising.
It might not be good enough to run passively, although it is supposed
to, but the fins are wide, so you could get away with using a low-pressure
fan such as a noctua uln, which is extremely quiet running at 400rpm.
In case you can't get hold of it yet, you could just use the one
which is included with the CPU until hr-02 is in store.
Also, I would buy one harddrive at 1GB instead of two at 500GB.
Harddrives these days are so fast anyway, that you probably don't
need to run RAID or anything for multitracking. (Even the
slowest HD should be more than fast enough.)
In your setup, the harddrive is also likely to make the most
noise. (not because the ones you have picked is noisy, quite
the contrary, but because the other parts should be quite silent)
11 Sep
11 Sep
2:53 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
rosea grammostola:
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Regarding heatsink, thermalright hr-02 looks really promising.
It might not be good enough to run passively, although it is supposed
to, but the fins are wide, so you could get away with using a low-pressure
fan such as a noctua uln, which is extremely quiet running at 400rpm.
In case you can't get hold of it yet, you could just use the one
which is included with the CPU until hr-02 is in store.
I'll check it.
Also, I would buy one harddrive at 1GB instead of two at 500GB.
Harddrives these days are so fast anyway, that you probably don't
need to run RAID or anything for multitracking. (Even the
slowest HD should be more than fast enough.)
In your setup, the harddrive is also likely to make the most
noise. (not because the ones you have picked is noisy, quite
the contrary, but because the other parts should be quite silent)
True, but how do you backup your stuff? Plus people seems to advise a
special drive for audio stuff.
Regards,
\r
3:12 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Bad design. He says himself that:
"The dedicated intake duct ensures that
the PSU fan never ramps up unless absolutely needed. In actual use, it
should just about never ramp up except maybe in very hot weather under
long term high load conditions."
"Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
rosea grammostola:
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Also, I would buy one harddrive at 1GB instead of two at 500GB.
Harddrives these days are so fast anyway, that you probably don't
need to run RAID or anything for multitracking. (Even the
slowest HD should be more than fast enough.)
In your setup, the harddrive is also likely to make the most
noise. (not because the ones you have picked is noisy, quite
the contrary, but because the other parts should be quite silent)
True, but how do you backup your stuff? Plus people seems to advise a
special drive for audio stuff.
Some people advice scsi or 7000rpm drives as well. It made
sense 10-15 years ago, but probably not anymore...
3:51 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Ok, but it would be nice if you could provide some sources which makes
clear that and why the bottom PSU approach is better.
@Fritz, thanks for the link.
Regards,
\r
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Bad design. He says himself that:
"The dedicated intake duct ensures that the PSU fan never ramps up unless
absolutely needed. In actual use, it should just about never ramp up except
maybe in very hot weather under long term high load conditions."
"Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
rosea grammostola:
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
3:58 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
I'm just talking out of experience. The PSU is usually the noisiest part
in a computer if its heated, and if you put it at the top, especially
right above the CPU, it becomes too warm. I avoided this problem in one
computer I build (an antec SOLO case BTW) by replacing the fan in
the PSU so that it pused air towards the CPU instead of the other way,
but the easiest way to avoid PSU noise is just to put the PSU
at the bottom.
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Ok, but it would be nice if you could provide some sources which makes
clear that and why the bottom PSU approach is better.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Bad design. He says himself that:
"The dedicated intake duct ensures that the PSU fan never ramps up unless
absolutely needed. In actual use, it should just about never ramp up except
maybe in very hot weather under long term high load conditions."
"Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
rosea grammostola:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the info so far.
> I have gathered some components:
>
> Processor: i5 750
> Heatsink: ?
> MB: Asus P7P55D
> Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
> HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
> Case: Antec SOLO
> Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
> DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
> PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
> Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
> Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
>
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
6:59 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Hmm here I people saying, fanless PSU on top of the case, PSU with
fan -> bottom ....
\r
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
I'm just talking out of experience. The PSU is usually the noisiest part
in a computer if its heated, and if you put it at the top, especially
right above the CPU, it becomes too warm. I avoided this problem in one
computer I build (an antec SOLO case BTW) by replacing the fan in
the PSU so that it pused air towards the CPU instead of the other way,
but the easiest way to avoid PSU noise is just to put the PSU
at the bottom.
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Ok, but it would be nice if you could provide some sources which makes
clear that and why the bottom PSU approach is better.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
>
> rosea grammostola:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the info so far.
>> I have gathered some components:
>>
>> Processor: i5 750
>> Heatsink: ?
>> MB: Asus P7P55D
>> Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
>> HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
>> Case: Antec SOLO
>> Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
>> DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
>> PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
>> Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
>> Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
>>
>
> That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
> If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
> than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
> be an alternative?
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
Bad design. He says himself that:
"The dedicated intake duct ensures that the PSU fan never ramps up unless
absolutely needed. In actual use, it should just about never ramp up
except
maybe in very hot weather under long term high load conditions."
"Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
7 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:59 PM, rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
>> <k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
>>>> <k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> rosea grammostola:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for all the info so far.
>>>>>> I have gathered some components:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Processor: i5 750
>>>>>> Heatsink: ?
>>>>>> MB: Asus P7P55D
>>>>>> Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
>>>>>> HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
>>>>>> Case: Antec SOLO
>>>>>> Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
>>>>>> DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
>>>>>> PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
>>>>>> Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch
(1440x900) Wide
>>>>>> Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
>>>>> If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
>>>>> than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
>>>>> be an alternative?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on
bottom
>>>> approach' is better ;)
>>>> I was thinking to follow this approach
>>>> http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
>>>> It just needs one fan...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bad design. He says himself that:
>>>
>>> "The dedicated intake duct ensures that the PSU fan never ramps up
unless
>>> absolutely needed. In actual use, it should just about never ramp up
>>> except
>>> maybe in very hot weather under long term high load conditions."
>>>
>>> "Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
>>> experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
>>> page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
>>> more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
>>
>>
>> Ok, but it would be nice if you could provide some sources which makes
>> clear that and why the bottom PSU approach is better.
>>
>
> I'm just talking out of experience. The PSU is usually the noisiest part
> in a computer if its heated, and if you put it at the top, especially
> right above the CPU, it becomes too warm. I avoided this problem in one
> computer I build (an antec SOLO case BTW) by replacing the fan in
> the PSU so that it pused air towards the CPU instead of the other way,
> but the easiest way to avoid PSU noise is just to put the PSU
> at the bottom.
>
Hmm here are people saying, fanless PSU on top of the case, PSU with
fan -> bottom ....
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=521114#521114
\r
17 Sep
17 Sep
1:53 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
I think Kjetil is right here for most situations. There is some doubts
whether a top mounted fanless psu is better then bottom.
Anyway, the choice seems to be the p183 vs Factal design R3
http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=48
It's hard to judge, not having the cases here, but to me it looks like
the p183 is HUGE... Qua looks and height I prefer the R3, but I'm not
sure the performance will be close to the p183.
\r
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
I'm just talking out of experience. The PSU is usually the noisiest part
in a computer if its heated, and if you put it at the top, especially
right above the CPU, it becomes too warm. I avoided this problem in one
computer I build (an antec SOLO case BTW) by replacing the fan in
the PSU so that it pused air towards the CPU instead of the other way,
but the easiest way to avoid PSU noise is just to put the PSU
at the bottom.
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
Ok, but it would be nice if you could provide some sources which makes
clear that and why the bottom PSU approach is better.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
>
> rosea grammostola:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the info so far.
>> I have gathered some components:
>>
>> Processor: i5 750
>> Heatsink: ?
>> MB: Asus P7P55D
>> Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
>> HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
>> Case: Antec SOLO
>> Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
>> DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
>> PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
>> Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
>> Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
>>
>
> That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
> If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
> than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
> be an alternative?
Thanks.
I didn't see scientific sources which confirms that the 'PSU on bottom
approach' is better ;)
I was thinking to follow this approach
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article826-page1.html
It just needs one fan...
Bad design. He says himself that:
"The dedicated intake duct ensures that the PSU fan never ramps up unless
absolutely needed. In actual use, it should just about never ramp up
except
maybe in very hot weather under long term high load conditions."
"Long term high load conditions" is something you probably
experience when working with audio. Even just watching a web
page with flash cause high long term CPU usage. There's nothing
more irritating than fans suddenly ramping up.
20 Sep
20 Sep
1:27 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
@Kjetil, what's that cooling paste you use? Does it come with the cpu cooler?
Any recommendations and warnings for building the computer without
breaking components?
Thanks in advance,
\r
3:10 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
@Kjetil, what's that cooling paste you use? Does
it come with the cpu cooler?
Yes, it comes with the cpu cooler. I remember I read a
review of cooling past once, and I think the difference between the best
and the worst was only a couple of degrees.
Any recommendations and warnings for building the computer without
breaking components?
Avoid static electricity I guess could be a good advice. It's
hard to break anything though.
11 Sep
11 Sep
5:55 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
Il giorno sab, 11/09/2010 alle 15.12 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen ha
scritto:
[cut]
I think you are very lucky :)
Few month ago my mediacenter broke the HD (ext3) and without backups i
lost serveral Gig of data :(
Now I use a RAID1 and it saved me once (because power supply problem in
1 of the disk).
And now is simple tu install a software raid in a Linux box.
Another situation where (incremental) backup is important is when you
make a change of a project and you want to return to previous version.
So I think RAID1 + backup is the best choice :)
Ivan
True, but how
do you backup your stuff?
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
6:12 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Ivan Tarozzi <itarozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno sab, 11/09/2010 alle 15.12 +0200, Kjetil S.
Matheussen ha
scritto:
[cut]
I think you are very lucky :)
Few month ago my mediacenter broke the HD (ext3) and without backups i
lost serveral Gig of data :(
Now I use a RAID1 and it saved me once (because power supply problem in
1 of the disk).
And now is simple tu install a software raid in a Linux box.
Another situation where (incremental) backup is important is when you
make a change of a project and you want to return to previous version.
So I think RAID1 + backup is the best choice :)
Ivan
+++++ actual physical backups.
No disk system is enough. Not journals on single disks. Not RAID. Not
RAID with journals. Backups are key, and maybe MORE important than
backups is actually testing that restoring from backups actually
works. It's good to keep one junkie old computer around and make sure
that backups can be restored on a machine that's never seen them. In
the last 15 or 20 years I've lost 3 machines to catastrophic failure.
Making sure I had restorable backups was key to the data I saved and
key to the data I lost.
RAID for dummies like me cannot get much easier than mdadm.
- Mark
True, but
how do you backup your stuff?
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
6:25 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 09:12:52 -0700
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Ivan Tarozzi
<itarozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you've ever been unfortunate enough to have a house fire or burglary
- I've had both :( - you'll also appreciate the wisdom of keeping a
copy of your really important stuff off-site.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Il giorno sab, 11/09/2010 alle 15.12 +0200,
Kjetil S. Matheussen ha
scritto:
[cut]
I think you are very lucky :)
Few month ago my mediacenter broke the HD (ext3) and without backups i
lost serveral Gig of data :(
Now I use a RAID1 and it saved me once (because power supply problem in
1 of the disk).
And now is simple tu install a software raid in a Linux box.
Another situation where (incremental) backup is important is when you
make a change of a project and you want to return to previous version.
So I think RAID1 + backup is the best choice :)
Ivan
+++++ actual physical backups.
No disk system is enough. Not journals on single disks. Not RAID. Not
RAID with journals. Backups are key, and maybe MORE important than
backups is actually testing that restoring from backups actually
works. It's good to keep one junkie old computer around and make sure
that backups can be restored on a machine that's never seen them. In
the last 15 or 20 years I've lost 3 machines to catastrophic failure.
Making sure I had restorable backups was key to the data I saved and
key to the data I lost.
RAID for dummies like me cannot get much easier than mdadm.
- Mark True, but
how do you backup your stuff?
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
6:46 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 09:12:52 -0700
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Will,
Very sorry for you. Very glad I've never had to suffer the fire offense.
That said I tar up all of the source code for my stock trading
strategies and scp them to a machine in another state 3 times a week.
I've got 50GB of data off site at this point. As I'm in California and
scheduled to sink into the Pacific in 2012 I figured anything west of
the San Andreas fault wasn't a good idea...
I was burglarized once. They took my 1937 Gibson Super 400 and a
Gibson RD Artist. Those, unfortunately, are very had to back up...
- Mark
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Ivan Tarozzi
<itarozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you've ever been unfortunate enough to have a house fire or burglary
- I've had both :( - you'll also appreciate the wisdom of keeping a
copy of your really important stuff off-site.
Il giorno sab, 11/09/2010 alle 15.12 +0200,
Kjetil S. Matheussen ha
scritto:
[cut]
+++++ actual physical backups.
No disk system is enough. Not journals on single disks. Not RAID. Not
RAID with journals. Backups are key, and maybe MORE important than
backups is actually testing that restoring from backups actually
works. It's good to keep one junkie old computer around and make sure
that backups can be restored on a machine that's never seen them. In
the last 15 or 20 years I've lost 3 machines to catastrophic failure.
Making sure I had restorable backups was key to the data I saved and
key to the data I lost.
RAID for dummies like me cannot get much easier than mdadm.
- Mark > True, but how do you backup your stuff?
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
I think you are very lucky :)
Few month ago my mediacenter broke the HD (ext3) and without backups i
lost serveral Gig of data :(
Now I use a RAID1 and it saved me once (because power supply problem in
1 of the disk).
And now is simple tu install a software raid in a Linux box.
Another situation where (incremental) backup is important is when you
make a change of a project and you want to return to previous version.
So I think RAID1 + backup is the best choice :)
Ivan 
7:11 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 15:12 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
It depends on your luck, in my experience it is not always like that. I
have seen drives that develop bad sectors and you can migrate from them
(minus the bad sectors, of course).
In other instances the warning is just minutes away from complete
failure[*]. "smartctl" is not useful in those (most) cases. I have also
had drives fail on power up - everything is fine until you turn them
off, and then it they are just dead with a periodic click of death.
So, backup backup and backup, and if the data is really important
(think: what would I do if it is gone?) keep an up to date copy
off-site.
-- Fernando
[*] for example: "oh, that's odd, firefox just segfaulted ... and a
minute later nothing works and then your are puzzled and then you
realize the hard disk is gone".
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
rosea grammostola:
Hi,
Thanks for all the info so far.
I have gathered some components:
Processor: i5 750
Heatsink: ?
MB: Asus P7P55D
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
Case: Antec SOLO
Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Also, I would buy one harddrive at 1GB instead of two at 500GB.
Harddrives these days are so fast anyway, that you probably don't
need to run RAID or anything for multitracking. (Even the
slowest HD should be more than fast enough.)
In your setup, the harddrive is also likely to make the most
noise. (not because the ones you have picked is noisy, quite
the contrary, but because the other parts should be quite silent)
True, but how do you backup your stuff?
8:31 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
<nando(a)ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 15:12 +0200, Kjetil S.
Matheussen wrote:
Hmm a other way might be a backup via network? Having some data
storing device in the home network...
We have several pc's running here, so it might be a good thing. On the
other hand... the energy bill was pretty dissapointing this year... I
don't know what is better in respect to energy usage.
\r
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, rosea grammostola wrote:
It depends on your luck, in my experience it is not always like that. I
have seen drives that develop bad sectors and you can migrate from them
(minus the bad sectors, of course).
In other instances the warning is just minutes away from complete
failure[*]. "smartctl" is not useful in those (most) cases. I have also
had drives fail on power up - everything is fine until you turn them
off, and then it they are just dead with a periodic click of death.
So, backup backup and backup, and if the data is really important
(think: what would I do if it is gone?) keep an up to date copy
off-site.
-- Fernando
[*] for example: "oh, that's odd, firefox just segfaulted ... and a
minute later nothing works and then your are puzzled and then you
realize the hard disk is gone".
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kjetil S.
Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Oh, I don't. :-) When using plain ext2/3/4 file systems you
receive hints (strange pauses, eventually a random file is
corrupted) that something is wrong long before everything is lost.
I've never lost anything important, but have replaced
my HD many times.
rosea grammostola:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the info so far.
> I have gathered some components:
>
> Processor: i5 750
> Heatsink: ?
> MB: Asus P7P55D
> Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB(2x2GB) PC3-10666
> HDD: 2 x Western Digital WD5000AADS (Bulk, Caviar Green) (500GB)
> Case: Antec SOLO
> Fan: Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan
> DVD: Lite-On iHAS124 24xDVDRW
> PSU: Seasonic S12II, 380Watt, ATX
> Screen: Lenovo L1951p 19" or ThinkVision L197 19inch (1440x900) Wide
> Flat Panel LCD (Analog/Digital) HDCP TCO 03,MPR-II
>
That cabinet has the PSU placed at the top.
If you want a silent case, but one which is cheaper
than antec p183, maybe fractal design could
be an alternative?
Also, I would buy one harddrive at 1GB instead of two at 500GB.
Harddrives these days are so fast anyway, that you probably don't
need to run RAID or anything for multitracking. (Even the
slowest HD should be more than fast enough.)
In your setup, the harddrive is also likely to make the most
noise. (not because the ones you have picked is noisy, quite
the contrary, but because the other parts should be quite silent)
True, but how do you backup your stuff? 
20 Sep
20 Sep
11:56 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On 09/11/2010 08:31 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
Hmm a other way might be a backup via network? Having some data
storing device in the home network...
We have several pc's running here, so it might be a good thing. On the
other hand... the energy bill was pretty dissapointing this year... I
don't know what is better in respect to energy usage.
\r
I can recommend these:
http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx
I've got its predecessor, the SheevaPlug, and together with an external
USB HDD power consumption is below 20 watts. Ok, it's not fast, but the
GuruPlug has eSATA.
Best,
Jeremy
21 Sep
21 Sep
4:59 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Jeremy Jongepier
<jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
On 09/11/2010 08:31 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
I was thinking to buy a D-Link DNS-323 . Seems it's possible to
install Debian on it.
\r
Hmm a other way might be a backup via network? Having some data
storing device in the home network...
We have several pc's running here, so it might be a good thing. On the
other hand... the energy bill was pretty dissapointing this year... I
don't know what is better in respect to energy usage.
\r
I can recommend these:
http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx
I've got its predecessor, the SheevaPlug, and together with an external USB
HDD power consumption is below 20 watts. Ok, it's not fast, but the GuruPlug
has eSATA.
Best,
Jeremy 
7:08 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:59:48PM +0200, rosea grammostola wrote:
I was thinking to buy a D-Link DNS-323 . Seems
it's possible to
install Debian on it.
I'm using a DNS-343, it can be configured as an NFS server
(the option is somewhat less prominently presented than all
the Windoze stuff but it's there). Probably same for the 323.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
11:53 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On 09/21/2010 07:08 PM, fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:59:48PM +0200, rosea
grammostola wrote:
Else, QNAP is making good devices. My home directory (at home) is on an
SS-439 Pro, which supposedly uses max. 18W.
/ Hans
Hans Wilmers
NOTAM
Nedre Gate 5
N-0551 Oslo Norway
tlf.: +47 22358065
http://www.notam02.no
I was thinking to buy a D-Link DNS-323 . Seems
it's possible to
install Debian on it.
I'm using a DNS-343, it can be configured as an NFS server
(the option is somewhat less prominently presented than all
the Windoze stuff but it's there). Probably same for the 323.
22 Sep
22 Sep
1:02 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
Hi,
After some research and good advises it looks like I know what I want.
One doubt though, should I buy now or wait for the next Intel releases
Sandy Bridge?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a…
Second generation ipg, faster more energy friendly...
It's planned to be released in 2011 Q1... I don't know how it works
with such releases, will it be january or april, will there be
mainbords etc available? What about bugs etc.? What about Linux
support?
Best regards,
\r
23 Sep
23 Sep
1:59 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Hans Wilmers <hanswil(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On 09/21/2010 07:08 PM, fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
Thanks, are there also devices like this which support (non-usb) printers?
Regards,
\r
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:59:48PM +0200, rosea grammostola wrote:
Else, QNAP is making good devices. My home directory (at home) is on an
SS-439 Pro, which supposedly uses max. 18W.
/ Hans I was thinking to buy a D-Link DNS-323 . Seems
it's possible to
install Debian on it.
I'm using a DNS-343, it can be configured as an NFS server
(the option is somewhat less prominently presented than all
the Windoze stuff but it's there). Probably same for the 323.
21 Sep
21 Sep
11:40 p.m.
New subject: New workstation | DAW pc
On 09/20/2010 11:56 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 09/11/2010 08:31 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
For low power, I can recommend Lacie D2 network:
http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=11468
For one project, I got this one down to 4W by using an SSD, and it is
fast. I should have measured consumption with the original harddisk, but
probably it will add up to (4W + HDD).
/ Hans
Hans Wilmers
NOTAM
Nedre Gate 5
N-0551 Oslo Norway
tlf.: +47 22358065
http://www.notam02.no
Hmm a other way might be a backup via network? Having some data
storing device in the home network...
We have several pc's running here, so it might be a good thing. On the
other hand... the energy bill was pretty dissapointing this year... I
don't know what is better in respect to energy usage.
\r
I can recommend these:
http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx
I've got its predecessor, the SheevaPlug, and together with an external
USB HDD power consumption is below 20 watts. Ok, it's not fast, but the
GuruPlug has eSATA.
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