Oops, my sincere apologies for the double post. My e-mail account has been
acting up whole day today... Again, my apologies for the unintentional spam...
Ico
Greetings all,
Considering that the linuxaudio.org lists are currently not reaching a
majority of the Linux audio community, I wanted to use this opportunity to
inform you of the latest developments regarding the Linuxaudio.org. Also, for
the same reason I've resorted to some cross-posting. My sincere apologies if
this has caused any inconvenience.
What is Linuxaudio.org?
Linuxaudio.org is a non-profit consortium whose role is to support Linux as a
viable digital audio workstation. Linuxaudio.org therefore aims to expose,
proliferate, and disseminate artistic, as well as software and hardware
development endeavors associated with the aforementioned platform. The
two-year-old consortium boasts a growing membership consisting of 30+ member
organizations, companies, software projects, and institutions. In its
relatively brief existence, Linuxaudio.org has spearheaded a creation of the
first online CD compilation of art generated using exclusively open source
software in conjunction with Linux, and has sponsored Linux audio booths at
several international conferences and expos.
For more info please visit http://www.linuxaudio.org
It is also my pleasure to use this opportunity to announce our latest members:
*Ubuntu Linux represented by Mark Shuttleworth
*Ubuntu Studio project (ubuntustudio.com) represented by Dana Olson
*Pure-Data represented by Miller Puckette
*Frinika software project (www.frinika.com) represented by Johan Salomonsen
*(CCM)2 studios at the College-Conservatory of Music, University of
Cincinnati represented by Dr. Mara Helmuth
*Virginia Tech Music Department, represented by Prof. John Husser
I would like to welcome our new members. For latest updates, users, members,
as well as prospective members are encouraged to subscribe to the following
list:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium/
We are now in an opportune moment as the Linuxaudio.org appears to be finally
ready for the plan which has been proposed almost a year ago, namely to
incorporate the consortium in order to begin fund-raising for the purpose of
strengthening the consortium's mission and outreach. In order to bring this
plan to fruition, I would first of all greatly appreciate a response from
all who were/are currently subscribed to, or wish to be involved in the
consortium.
A number of other ideas/projects are currently in
the works, including a potential move of the consortium's server to Virginia
Tech where we could enjoy better bandwidth and more disk space, both of
which would put us in a much better position regarding expansion and
offering enhanced content. If anyone is interested in getting involved with
the
Web maintenance, please contact me at ico_at_linuxaudio.org.
Linuxaudio.org is currently in the process of finalizing a new logo. All who
are involved (or wish to be involved) in Linuxaudio.org are welcome to
contribute to this project.
Finally, please allow me to point out that Linuxaudio.org always welcomes new
member projects, institutions, organizations, and individuals who actively
contribute to the development of the Linux as a viable digital audio
workstation, including artists and software projects. The membership is
currently free, and even once we become incorporated and instantiate
membership dues for the purpose of fund-raising, members will have an option
to enroll as and/or retain their free membership. If interested, please do not
hesitate to contact me. For additional info, please visit
http://www.linuxaudio.org.
Sincerely,
Ivica Ico Bukvic, Director
Linuxaudio.org
Greetings all,
Considering that the linuxaudio.org lists are currently not reaching a
majority of the Linux audio community, I wanted to use this opportunity to
inform you of the latest developments regarding the Linuxaudio.org. Also, for
the same reason I've resorted to some cross-posting. My sincere apologies if
this has caused any inconvenience.
What is Linuxaudio.org?
Linuxaudio.org is a non-profit consortium whose role is to support Linux as a
viable digital audio workstation. Linuxaudio.org therefore aims to expose,
proliferate, and disseminate artistic, as well as software and hardware
development endeavors associated with the aforementioned platform. The
two-year-old consortium boasts a growing membership consisting of 30+ member
organizations, companies, software projects, and institutions. In its
relatively brief existence, Linuxaudio.org has spearheaded a creation of the
first online CD compilation of art generated using exclusively open source
software in conjunction with Linux, and has sponsored Linux audio booths at
several international conferences and expos.
For more info please visit http://www.linuxaudio.org
It is also my pleasure to use this opportunity to announce our latest members:
*Ubuntu Linux represented by Mark Shuttleworth
*Ubuntu Studio project (ubuntustudio.com) represented by Dana Olson
*Pure-Data represented by Miller Puckette
*Frinika software project (www.frinika.com) represented by Johan Salomonsen
*(CCM)2 studios at the College-Conservatory of Music, University of
Cincinnati represented by Dr. Mara Helmuth
*Virginia Tech Music Department, represented by Prof. John Husser
I would like to welcome our new members. For latest updates, users, members,
as well as prospective members are encouraged to subscribe to the following
list:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium/
We are now in an opportune moment as the Linuxaudio.org appears to be finally
ready for the plan which has been proposed almost a year ago, namely to
incorporate the consortium in order to begin fund-raising for the purpose of
strengthening the consortium's mission and outreach. In order to bring this
plan to fruition, I would first of all greatly appreciate a response from
all who were/are currently subscribed to, or wish to be involved in the
consortium.
A number of other ideas/projects are currently in
the works, including a potential move of the consortium's server to Virginia
Tech where we could enjoy better bandwidth and more disk space, both of
which would put us in a much better position regarding expansion and
offering enhanced content. If anyone is interested in getting involved with
the
Web maintenance, please contact me at ico_at_linuxaudio.org.
Linuxaudio.org is currently in the process of finalizing a new logo. All who
are involved (or wish to be involved) in Linuxaudio.org are welcome to
contribute to this project.
Finally, please allow me to point out that Linuxaudio.org always welcomes new
member projects, institutions, organizations, and individuals who actively
contribute to the development of the Linux as a viable digital audio
workstation, including artists and software projects. The membership is
currently free, and even once we become incorporated and instantiate
membership dues for the purpose of fund-raising, members will have an option
to enroll as and/or retain their free membership. If interested, please do not
hesitate to contact me. For additional info, please visit
http://www.linuxaudio.org.
Sincerely,
Ivica Ico Bukvic, Director
Linuxaudio.org
People could choose their preferred format. Other people could convert
the files to other formats. E.g., if a composer prefers to use
a paper&pen, other may typeset the notesheets to Rosegarden.
I'm sure soon the most effective formats will be found (MIDI, Ardour,
loops and samples, etc.) and other formats fade away due lack of interest.
BTW, sorry about the "sucks" but that was honest on my part. I'm comparing
to Madonna, Yello etc. Check a couple of Yello loop sets for the
excellent sound quality at
http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/mountedbythegods.tar.bz2http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/startabcontest2004.tar.gz
Juhana
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----- Matt Henley <nwmatt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/17/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 14:52 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
> > > > Sure, I just don't see why a new Ubuntu flavor is required,
> rather than
> > > > actually finding and fixing the issues with the main branch.
> It's not
> > > > like we live in a closed source world where it's Microsoft or
> Apple's
> > > > way or the highway...
> > >
> > > One of Ubuntu's bragging rights is its ease of setup and install,
> even
> > > easier than Windows in most cases I have used it. Requiring
> tweaks in
> > > order to use the audio as compared to a standard distro is part of
> what
> > > can take away from that.
> > >
> > > I dont really think it is the same thing as say, a completly
> different
> > > distro. It is just precustomized versions of the distro for
> specific
> > > purposes, meaning I dont have to put in these tweaks every time.
> > >
> >
> > I just think it's much easier for developers and users to fix the
> > mainline distro so these tweaks are no longer needed than to create
> a
> > new project.
> >
> > Lee
> >
>
> But what if "fixing" the mainline distro degrades the performance for
> things other than multimedia?
One would hope a patch that configures one thing at the expense of breaking another would not get commited into a stable release. I would expect this for a distro with decent QA.
-l
----- Thomas Vecchione <seablaede(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I dont know enough about kernel development or the hundreds of other
> topics that it can cover to give a pro/con version of doing the audio
>
> flavor vs standard flavor myself, maybe others can do it. But I do
> know
> that while it is possible to create one distro that does it all, you
> tend to end up with huge amounts of bloat doing this, and it causes
> more
> problems than it solves IMO rather than keeping small concentrated
> flavors for what are essentially niche markets that fit that niche
> VERY
> well.
This is misinformation. A distribution with a large selection of packages does not equal bloated. The way the user configures said distribution can make /that specific system/ bloated but this is not the same as the base system being bloated. A base Debian stable installation with audio support and a graphical interface is under 400 megs. Don't install X and you're down to 140 megs. Make a custom kernel and remove modules not on your hardware and things get even smaller.
-lee
----- Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 13:22 -0500, Dana Olson wrote:
> > Just as an FYI to those of you who might be interested in this...
> >
> > I have it on good authority that Mark Shuttleworth has been working
> > towards hosting a multimedia-oriented derivative of Ubuntu, set for
> > Dapper+1 release time.
> >
> > I should know more on Monday, after his conference call.
> >
> > My own speculation is that it will be called "Mubuntu" given this:
> >
> > Domain name: MUBUNTU.COM
> >
> > Administrative Contact:
> > Troup, James hostmaster(a)canonical.com
> >
> > Dana
>
>
> This fragmentation is idiotic and will destroy Linux. Linux as an
> audio
> platform will be a joke as long as a customized distro is required to
> use it.
>
> OSX and Windows don't need a "Multimedia edition" why should Linux?
I find comparisons like this to be unproductive and flamey, though a valid question. Perhaps you could phrase it in a less naive way? I would never compare GNU/Linux to a commercial operating systems like OS X or Windows because the goals are so entirely different. What I would do is apply basic human interface and programming guidelines on a distribution, mixed with best practices for getting binaries compiled and distributing them.
I personally choose Debian because of the sentiment Lee has expressed. It is extensive, flexable and has a good support community. There are times when it is a pain in the ass and you hear from me on lists like this but those are few and far between. Debian also has the advantage of the CDD (Custom Debian Distribution). A set of binaries that compliment a base system without being included in the official archive. I believe this is the future and solves the distro-anxiety which leads to a glut of specialized distros that eventually go unmanaged and die. Pick Debian and you are guaranteed a stable base system but with old audio production packages. Add the CDD of choice (DeMuDi in this case) and you now have access to more recent packages. Add the testing archive (for those of you who followed my initial thread about etch, yes, I updated and things are working much better, cheers) and you can get involved with helping out the official archive. Everyone wins.
-lee
----- res0u2uc(a)verizon.net wrote:
> Problem is, if your sources.list point only to stable, you
> only get old stuff, and missing a lot of the latest, newest
> stuff entirely. Add a couple lines and now you get newer
> stuff, but then you need to upgrade C libraries.
>
> I don't know how you do that in Debian. I've smashed my
> system every time I tried, probably because the only way I
> could see to do it was to use --force, which I did without
> really understanding (or heeding the many warnings.)
It's called backporting. You add a deb-src line for sid in sources.list, apt-get source <packagename>, apt-get build-dep <packagename>, enter the source directory, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and theoretically you should have an updated package for sarge. But the libc6 upgrade messed that up for some packages. I recently backported jackd and libjack from sid but they won't install without removing /every single/ package from sarge that depends on the old libjack. I'm assuming this is because the newer libjack is not backwards compatible or the current sid package has some broken dependencies.
> With the etch installer I got a 2.6 kernel out of the box.
> Alsa is already in there.
Both of these are in the sarge installer. To install with 2.6, type linux26 at the d-i boot prompt. To install alsa, install discover and alsa-base then run alsaconf.
> That said, it is always a bit of a bear to reconfigure.
> I thought I would never need to do it again, but then I
> pressed the wrong button, and for some reasons, my tar
> backups didn't work quite right :-p
It took me a while to understand debconf and the way maintainers split packages. That said reconfiguration is simple using Debian tools. It can get hairy if you are pulling packages from all over the place. I think my sources.list file on my development box has about 20 lines!
-lee
Is there a good linux program for playing sound effects cues, in my
case to accompany a theater style performance?
The "ideal" solution would be able to do something like this:
* play samples almost instantaneously when I push the right button
(some sort of pre-reading the begining?)
* sample length allowed to be arbitrarily long (e.g. music, background
sounds.)
* multiple samples playable at one time, so you can have background
sound(s) continue playing while playing another sound --
e.g. surf/waves sounding in the background, and a ships bell or
whistle plays over it.
* Probably some different modes for sample playing:
* On key down, sample plays through to end
* On key down, sample plays until key up
* On key down, sample plays until next key down (toggle play/stop)
* probably something else I haven't thought of.
* Each sample would have individually adjustable volume -- maybe while
you're playing that background sound, you want to adjust it's level
w/o affecting any other samples you might play.
* Controlable from the computer keyboard, or an external midi device
(e.g. my Behringer BCR2000)
* Move through a list of cues, with notes about when each sound should
happen (e.g. I would type in the line that preceeds the sound...)
The more I write this, the more a midi sampler or drum machine sort of
program seems like it'd be a start, except maybe for the individual
control of sample volume and cue notes.
Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks!
--
Steve Wahl steve(a)pro-ns.net
I'm not sure where to begin--
A few weeks ago, in order to get some plugins working
on swami, I was forced by a dependency loop to try:
apt-get -o Apt::Force-Loopbreak=1 -f upgrade
which mostly succeeded in upgrading my Agnula.
But not ALSA has gone whacko on me, so that I
basically have to reconfigure it every time I restart
(which is more often than I'd like, 'cause my wife
wants to use Windows).
The first thing I noticed was that when starting
something simple like xmms, or even sox at the
commandline, I would get a message like "no device
found." So I looked on the alsa-project website for
info. about installing ALSA for my card, which takes
the ensoniq 1371 drivers.
Well, after poring over the troubleshooting info.
about what to do when I get no sound, I tried
rerunning alsaconf, and then
modprobe snd-pcm-oss
modprobe snd-mixer-oss
modproble snd-seq-oss.
For a few boots, this was working. After I did the
above, I'd start alsamixer, which of course had
reverted back to all muted channels and the levels all
down at zero.
But now, not even the modprobe steps do anything, and
when I try and run alsaconf (as root) it detects my
card, tells me that snd-ens1371 is configured, but
tells me about all these unresolved symbols:
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-multimedia-686/kernel/drivers/media/radio/miropcm20.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-multimedia-686/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-multimedia-686/alsa/snd-vx-cs.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-multimedia-686/alsa/snd-vxp440.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-multimedia-686/alsa/snd-vxpocket.o
Loading driver...
and then the message that restoring the mixer settings
has failed.
What's going wrong? And why is ALSA forgetting its
configuration between boots? ARRRGGH!
Thanks for any help,
Mark
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