On 02/10/2013 01:59 AM, gerald.mwangi(a)gmx.de wrote:
hi gerald!
<strong disagreement next 5 miles, and likely some alligators crossing>
> What sucks: the workflow does not feel organic! Can you say that
> bringing down an idea alone with multiple instruments (sequentially
> recording all instruments, including synths) to disk is as easy as
> recording it with a band on an 8track machine? No!
as someone who has done his share of 8track reel-to-reel recording:
BWAHAHAHAHAAAHAAAA.
compare:
* clean and degauss tape heads
* find some empty tape (at something like 90 € per half hour)
* thread the tape
* lay down test tones
* (optional) wrestle with your noise reduction
* level, arm, roll
to:
* start jack
* start ardour with 8-track template
* level, arm, roll
when it comes to editing and mixing, the whole comparison becomes
ridiculously unbalanced. and i'm not even talking sound quality yet.
and if you want to include the setup and configuration of a bare-bones
machine, then please also include the soldering iron and oscilloscope :)
don't get me wrong, gerald, this isn't meant as personal criticism, and
your input is certainly appreciated, but this statement just doesn't
hold water.
> And just saying that
> it is not possible with other OS's is no excuse. The linux audio
> experience has to feel like just picking up an instrument (complex
> synths included) and a band to jam in the idea.
<snip>
> But, and this a big but: as I don't need nor want documentation to get a
> tone out of my guitar/ my voice, I don't want documentation to handle
> linux audio!
dude. you have practised your guitar for years. at some point, that
surely involved reading documentation, or at least very thorough and
systematic exploration on your part.
if you were to claim that guitars are needlessly complex and you are
entitled to just grab one and go, hard-working guitarists would be
rightfully offended and laugh at you.
a studio workflow is no different. it takes practice and respect to
master. why does everybody and their grandma just assume that when they
suck at recording, it must be the studio's fault? that is kind of
offending to hard-working recording engineers. ;)
> The whole ecosystem has to be integrated and simple to be
> operated at the ease of a few clicks with no prior knowledge! To the
> same extent as it is open to all.
no. no. no. i don't want to be limited to a three-stringed guitar
because people can only count "one, two, many".
stuff that works without prior knowledge or some will to study is
usually boring, and ineffective. it's cool for a week, and then you
outgrow it.
now i'm all ears when it comes to discussing workflow and how to
streamline stuff - after all, professional studio work is all about
workflow. but i don't like blanket statements that threaten to make
software too simplistic for more demanding work.
best,
jörn
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On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 20:49 +0000, James Mckernon wrote:
> http://terriblelinuxwallpaper.tumblr.com/
Perhaps something for a Britney fan from this mailing list:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mctr8icHUE1rknxvto1_1280.jpg
I Bcc this mail to the fan. FWIW, IMO this Britney picture isn't sexist,
but indeed there are a lot of ugly pictures. However, they are ugly, but
as long as they aren't a default, they are still not sexist. Most of
those pictures aren't mangas, and the few pseudo or real mangas are
completely different to the wallpaper of the virtual singer.
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, <gerald.mwangi(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my HP TouchPad
> ------------------------------
> On 10.02.2013 23:30, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, <gerald.mwangi(a)gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Auto mode for JACK latency is a good idea.
>> I have another proposition: a dedicated graphical front-end for jack
>> session. It could help users setup their workflow , by providing a list of
>> all the jack aware programs installed, categorized by type (sampler, daw,
>> synth). The program should aid in setting up a project , eg firing up
>> ardour with several tracks, firing up synths (lv2 instruments/hosts incl)
>> with presets selectable from the front-end with a preview sound. The
>> front-end could trigger the synth in question with a midi note when
>> selecting a preset. Lv2 plugins, that is pure audio effects, could also
>> listed with the ability to directly send a signal from the audio interface
>> through the selected plugin to quickly hear what it does. One could then
>> associate the selected plugin with, say a track in ardour, and another
>> plugin with a track in hydrogen or so.
>>
>
> what you are describing is basically the "monolithic app" experience (from
> a user perspective) but created using a set of independent applications and
> processes.
>
> speaking personally, i think there are better things to do with our time.
>
>
> Well just for the initialization of the project. The diversity experience
> of the multiple programs , ecosystem shall still be preserved
>
(1) your HTTP-only email confuses even gmail, and is probably inappropriate
for a technically oriented mailing list like this one.
(2) i'm not really that interested in preserving the "diversity
experience". i think it is much more valuable for developers, who get to
work on their own custom, standalone apps rather than being forced into a
framework as happens with plugin developers. there are a LOT of "linux
audio apps" that would be much more useful as plugins than they are as
standalone JACK clients. but this is only helpful for users, and puts
limitations on developers. look around you to see the result ....
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From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
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Cc: d-community-offtopic(a)lists.alioth.debian.org
Subject: Re: [D-community-offtopic] [LAU] Fuck your sexism
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:38:48 +0100
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 15:21 -0500, Al Thompson wrote:
> the person showing this intolerance is PREACHING
> tolerance. (isn't that always the case?)
At least it's true for this situation.
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 21:14 +0100, SxDx wrote:
> How did you come to linux? or hacking? or computer science?
> How does one human being come to that? Is there a special
> pattern?
>
> My bet is: no. It's pure random.
It's not by random in my case.
> [snip] If this is right, why don't we find 50% of female humans,
> as in the general population?
First of all global population isn't fifty-fifty.
I won't give the serious, long answer to this question, the short answer
is, that women and men aren't equal.
> There is no
> point to fight with people who don't accept there is a problem.
There's a problem, you don't explain what on this picture is porn or
what at least is sexist.
How about "Reply-To: d-community-offtopic(a)lists.alioth.debian.org"? To
get this off-topic from this list?
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William Light:
> it's interesting to me that free (source and/or beer) music software
> on
> OSX and windows has come further than it has on Linux. off the top of
> my head:
>
> http://psycle.pastnotecut.org/portal.php
> http://www.buzzmachines.com/
I'm very interested in knowing what you're missing from Psycle and
Buzzmachines
that Radium doesn't have...
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 12:06 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:17:34PM +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>
> > and if you want to include the setup and configuration of a
> > bare-bones machine, then please also include the soldering iron and
> > oscilloscope :)
>
> And a calibrated test tape [snip]
That's why calibration at home usually is limited to premagnetisation.
Another issue for hobby engineers is to get the service manual.
However, for some humans it's hard to spend much time with the computer,
but it's easy for them to use stand alone devices.
I guess the original comparison (8 track analog vs a Linux computer) is
about the difference between a computer and (analog + digital) stand
alone devices.
Regards,
Ralf
Oops, mistakenly replied direct instead of to list. Forwarding.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: drew Roberts <zotzbro(a)gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 12:17 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>> On 02/10/2013 01:59 AM, gerald.mwangi(a)gmx.de wrote:
>>
snip
>
> Using Linux, keeping the workflow can become a PITA, just by updating
> the DE ;), there are no updates for a 8 track analog recorder.
So just buy an already setup, tested, and warranted computer from
someone who knows what they are doing. Then, ***do not update it
yourself*** - use it as is just like a dedicated piece of equipment.
Down the road, get that same person who knows what they are doing to
update it for you or build you a new one.
I am not saying that these problems do not exist, and things can get
better for those who don't mind knowing a bit. I am saying thought
that for the person who does not want to know anything, they can avoid
the knowing somewhat if they will take an approach along the lines
mentioned.
>
> IMO the issue is "stand alone" vs "computer".
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
all the best,
drew
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