Linux-audio-user January 2005

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207 participants
246 discussions

by thewade

This Neuros really looks kool! Where was this when I bought my iPod? Does anyone have one: will it run linux, alsa, and perhaps PDa (PD for pda\'s)? Neet-o! -thewade

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] Tuning Program or wav files?

by Bearcat M. Sandor

Folks, I've got a early Holiday present in the form of a new violin. While my eventual aim to to put a pickup on it and start playing around with MIDI, i have to get it tuned first. I don't have a pitch pipe or piano handy. I have a very accurate (musically) system set up, of which my computer is a major part. I'm looking for wav files or a tuning program that would help me tune this violin. If i had a wav file or a tone generator, I could just put it on repeat while i was tuning. I've been searching the web for an hour now and have found nothing, but i may just be looking in the wrong places. The starting point for a violin is A (440) then D, then G then E. All are a perfect fifth apart. For the record, i use KDE mostly, but have the gnome libs installed in case anyone has a good app suggestion? Anyone out there able to help? Much appreciated, Bearcat M. Sandor

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] *someone appears in a smoky swirl*

by sonicx

this is my first my mailing to this list and to introduce myself theres not much to say-plays the guitar,loves muds,learnin c++ for quite a while,quakes (but not now) and wears filthy rastas.from germany to say. what im here for is to get my audigy 2 zs plpro to assist my PA and guitar,as well as record it all nicely to my hds.and of course to gather any related information. as far as i am i know it should work,not everything,but with a bit of coding even the asio could be working(well not exactly asio,but it could work like it,maybe ontop of emu10k/alsa).im going to make a nice comprehension of the information i have until now and send it in.

20 years, 2 months

Re: [linux-audio-user] spectral correction

by Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen

Dave Phillips: >>The sources are to different. Ceres3 only supports mono-files and is >>very non-thread-safe. >> >Ceres3 will load L, R, or L+R stereo files. The problem is that ceres3 only shows/transforms one channel. ceres1 can handle up to 8 channels simultaniously. Thats a quite huge internal difference. > I can start sending you comments >regarding the major differences between Ceres and Ceres3 if you like. That would be great. I'm not so sure how much time I have to spend on Ceres right now. But such a list would at laset be nice to put into the documentation. >>Øyvind Hammer has been working on Ceres in all years, the latest version >>(0.15) was released in 2001 if I remember correctly, before I took over. >>Even then, it compaired fairly to ceres3. So he never >>stopped the development of ceres, still other people released both >>ceres2, ceres2w and ceres3. I don't know why, perhaps they had good >reasons. >> >I had many email exchanges with Dr Hammer during that period. The other >versions had his blessings, he was I think too busy to add things like >WAV file support and stereo file support, and many bugs were not being >addressed. IIRC he was doing more work in paleontology. We occasionally Problem is that they shouldn't have been named ceres2/3, but instead something like ceres-newversion. Even here at notam, I sometimes see people use ceres3. I ask them why, and they say its because its the latest version. >Btw, thank you for all your excellent work in Linux audio software. I >don't know if many people realize how much you've contributed, but I do, >so thank you very much. :) Thank you very much. Same to you. :) --

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] Mixer problem

by Alex Marandon

Hi, I have a problem with my mixer that is I can't record line input without simultaneous playback. That's very annoying in my situation because I'm applying effects to the line output of my soundcard with some external signal proccessing hardware. If there is playback when I'm recording the proccessed signal by line input, there is an infinite loop, and that's bad. When I try to set up my soundcard (SB Live!) with alsamixer, nothing happen when I press space bar in order to assign capture to a channel, the red capture label doesn't appear. So know there is something wrong with my setup because I've already used alsamixer before and it was able to set the capture option. If I try a graphical mixer like gnome-alsamixer or kmix and check the recording checkbox for the line input, recording doesn't work. I have to check the recording checkbox for the "capture" channel but then, the recorded sound is played back at the same time, even if line input is muted. However I have no problem to record sound played by the soundcard synth using SoundFonts, I just check the recording checkbox and it works. I don't need to deal with the capture channel. Any hint ? -- Alex

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] Wiki Spam

by Hans Fugal

FYI the wiki I'm hosting had its first spam a few days back. I know some have been skeptical that a small wiki would be spammed. This shows either that small wikis do get spammed or that our community is big enough to catch the attention of at least one spammer. In any case, it's not out of hand yet - only one page was defaced and it was easy to roll back. But the discussions on managing wiki spam certainly seem to have merit. http://hans.fugal.net:2500/linuxaudio/revision/HomePage?rev=10 -- De gustibus non disputandum est.

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] Tracktion, JUCE and Linux

by Rui Nuno Capela

Hi everyone, About to let you all know that I took this LAU thread to Jules, Trackion's and JUCE author, and that I got some promising good news. Besides, being sorry of posting the whole thread here, I'm also cross-posting this to LAD, as I think it must be of interest there too. Read on. So to put a long story short: help is being asked to write the native Linux Audio and MIDI components of the JUCE C++ framework, which among other things, would rush the Tracktion Linux port, hopefully this very year :P Hope to be doing TheRightThing. Cheers, -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ========================================================================== ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Date: Sun, January 9, 2005 1:59 To: jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com Hello Jules, Sorry for this rather long post, but I took the chance and self-initiative in bringing this to you, as I believe you're the main developer of JUCE, and for that matter, of Tracktion. Below you can find an excerpt of a recent thread that was being taken place on linux-audio-users maillist, regarding Tracktion, which is raising some interest on the Linux Audio community, myself included. As a developer, I'm quite excited to know whether the JUCE Linux port is evolving, and just in case you need help, I'll be glad to give you a hand, or two :) You can read my own posts below, regarding me and others potential in willing to help you in delivering a genuine and native JUCE port to our beloved operating system. So please, feel free to it. Most thanks for your (highly precious, in deed) time. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Ryan Gallagher" <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 16:13 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> Ok, First I'm a big supporter/user of Ardour (my name even appears on a contributors list) and I do think we should support FOSS alternatives above all others. Hopefully that will prevent a FOSS/Free-closed debate :P Now, as a Tape-Op subscriber I have been alerted to a Tracktion promotional offer (full functional version free). http://tapeop.com/tracktion.php This looks like a really interesting DAW and it installs under wine but dialog boxes aren't working. Has anyone gotten it functional under wine yet? Has anyone used Tracktion under a native environment? -ry -- Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Dave Phillips" <dlphilp(a)bright.net> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 16:40 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> Hi Ryan: I also tried it this morning, got as far as a failure installing the sound device. :( Mackie reportedly announced that there would be a Linux version eventually. Best, dp ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 17:22 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> I don't know if I'm telling some gross mistake, but Tracktion has been the work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on his own cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE (http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/). Yes cross-platform only between win32 and macosx, atm. However, quoted from the JUCE's to-do-list (http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/todo.html): - get the Linux port up and running.. So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL, and if some of the LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than later ;) I mean, having a Linux native Trackion port (hopefully with ALSA and JACK support). Tracktion is closed-source however, with commercial rights owned by Mackie. Or so I think. I guess the linux port will be also closed-source. But I would rather buy it, instead of running it under the nasty effects of wine ;) OK. My idea is first probing you LAUs/LADs, my self included, if it makes any sense on lobbying for the Trackion linux port. Second, our X/ALSA/JACK expertise (!) could be offered towards a early JUCE port and help Jules|Mackie in delivering a linux beta product in no time. Anyone interested? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Ryan Gallagher" <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 18:54 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:22 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > I don't know if I'm telling some gross mistake, but Tracktion has been > the work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on his > own cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE > > So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL, and if some of the > LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than later ;) > I mean, having a Linux native Trackion port (hopefully with ALSA and > JACK support). > > Tracktion is closed-source however, with commercial rights owned by > Mackie. Yes, AFAIK Tracktion is a Mackie product and only free for a limited time (however the fact that it's been distributed for free seems to suggest a free binary for linux would not be out of the question). > OK. My idea is first probing you LAUs/LADs, my self included, if it > makes any sense on lobbying for the Trackion linux port. I'm of the opinion that choice is good, therefore having another quality (and widely used/supported) DAW would be great for linux. Also, once JUICE is ported, that will provide another great resource for future linux audio development. Finally, the fact that this project is affiliated with Mackie, a HUGE name in the "industry" could work greatly to the benefit if linux/audio. I mean if we could get a linux port of Traction on mackie ftp servers? Well, people would take notice. > Second, our X/ALSA/JACK expertise (!) could be offered towards a early > JUCE port and help Jules|Mackie in delivering a linux beta product in > no time. > > Anyone interested? I'm interested (though code/coding skill deficient). -ry -- Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Chris Cannam" <cannam(a)all-day-breakfast.com> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 19:06 To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu Cc: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> On Thursday 06 Jan 2005 17:22, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > I don't know if I'm telling some gross mistake, but Tracktion has been > the work of one man, Jules o'something. Yes, he dropped by the Linux Audio stand at last year's Sounds Expo. I gave him a (by then) rather weary and incomprehensible spiel about how much fun JACK was, and he talked a bit about the sale of Tracktion to Mackie, which had just happened. Nice enough chap, but he probably thought we were a bunch of wasters. He certainly wasn't entirely unfamiliar with Linux even then though. Chris ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Ryan Gallagher" <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, January 6, 2005 20:32 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 12:54 -0600, Ryan Gallagher wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:22 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > > I don't know if I'm telling some gross mistake, but Tracktion has been > > the work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on > > his own cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE > > > So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL, and if some of > > the LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than > > later ; By the way JUICE is a pretty big/impressive project for one guy to have developed, let alone Tracktion a complete DAW! We need to lure this guy over to the linux side, he's a coding machine! I'm encouraged that he chose GPL for JUICE. -ry -- Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "David Baron" <d_baron(a)012.net.il> Date: Fri, January 7, 2005 7:19 To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu When that framework is "opensourced", well, I too would be interested in participating and I am good at it :-). Problem is that to get into this, a company needs a business plan far different than conventional. Sun has a two-tiered approach: Sell Star Office to those who want support, give out OpenOffice to the rest of us. Sun, however, is in the computer business. Mackie is basically a hardware house. I wish I could afford a nice mixer panel from them. Will it be profitable for them, after the giveaway ends, to sell Tracktion and add-ons for it, remains to be seen (as this is not really their focus and maintaining software can be a pain (and resource drain) in the butt). Opensourcing the whole kitandkaboodle and selling related/dedicated hardware for it might be an alternative (and the giveaway might just be testing these waters). ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar(a)footils.org> Date: Fri, January 7, 2005 13:56 To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu Hallo, David Baron hat gesagt: // David Baron wrote: > When that framework is "opensourced", well, I too would be interested in > participating and I am good at it :-). > > Problem is that to get into this, a company needs a business plan far > different than conventional. Sun has a two-tiered approach: Sell Star > Office to those who want support, give out OpenOffice to the rest of us. > Sun, however, is in the computer business. > > Mackie is basically a hardware house. I wish I could afford a nice mixer > panel from them. Will it be profitable for them, after the giveaway ends, > to sell Tracktion and add-ons for it, remains to be seen (as this is not > really their focus and maintaining software can be a pain (and resource > drain) in the butt). Opensourcing the whole kitandkaboodle and selling > related/dedicated hardware for it might be an alternative (and the > giveaway might just be testing these waters). Well, hardware is, what you can sell even to free software people, and even expensive hardware, as RME has shown. We all need speakers, for example, and Mackie (or Tapco) produces great speakers. If they would support FLOSS development, I'd be even more inclined to prefer their stuff over others'. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine From: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Date: Fri, January 7, 2005 15:01 To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu> David Baron wrote: > When that framework is "opensourced", well, I too would be interested in > participating and I am good at it :-). > Nice to hear. The so-called framework (JUCE) is actualy released under an open-source license (GPL), but I think its up with us, linux audio users and developers, to show Jules what our interests really are, and offer our kind help or participation in whatever will be needed to bring Tracktion to the Linux arena. IMO, the main issue is about bringing JUCE to Linux in the first place. Well, that's the whole purpose of my notice. Speaking for myself, I believe to fit both interests, as an user and as a developer. Please note that I'm not asking for Trackion being open-source. Nor am I assuming it will ever be. I'm just trying to ease the route to reach a true native Linux port. Is up to Mackie whether it will be priced or not. I have no reason to believe Mackie will release Tracktion as open-source, even though Mackie is in the hardware business, not software. OTOH, and as already noticed here, JUCE seems to be a real gem, and as open-source as I trust it is, it can be a real promising cross-platform C++ GUI, Audio and MIDI, all-in-one-toolkit-solution for Linux. Yes, it does seems yet another one, but this time it would be highly specific for building cross-platform DAWs :) The following should be essential linux-platform-specific "underwear" to stuff into JUCE: - GUI: Xorg, freedesktop.org - Audio: JACK, ALSA - MIDI: ALSA obviously being the cream of the crop of our Linux and Audio/MIDI technology, IMO. OK. Next step should be perhaps about asking on LAD if this whole idea makes sense, or is it a plain dead-end. Hopefully not. Then push the whole thread to Jules mailbox and see what comes about ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ========================================================================== ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Julian Storer" <jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com> Date: Sun, January 9, 2005 12:40 To: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Thanks for that. I have got a load of juce linux stuff almost ready to go (a friend of mine actually helped write it for a project he's working on), but I'm totally tied up at the moment on tracktion, and haven't had time to get it into a release-worthy state. I should be able to get it done within the next couple of months though, and I'm really keen on getting it out into the linux community. The initial juce release won't have any audio stuff in it yet, though (I'm not really a linux person, don't even have a linux machine set up at the moment) so that might be an area where I'll come over to you linux audio guys and see if anyone's interested in helping out! All the best Jules ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Date: Sun, January 9, 2005 13:50 To: "Julian Storer" <jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com> Hi Julian, First of all, let me thank your quick reply. > Thanks for that. I have got a load of juce linux stuff almost ready to > go (a friend of mine actually helped write it for a project he's working > on), but I'm totally tied up at the moment on tracktion, and haven't had > time to get it into a release-worthy state. I should be able to get it > done within the next couple of months though, and I'm really keen on > getting it out into the linux community. > Thats great news. Even if its not on a release-level state, I think me and some other LADs (Linux Audio Developers) are willing to help you and your friend in the making. You can guess that I'm really motivated in the first place, being this very mail exchange just the superficial evidence ;) First of all, I would ask you if its alright to cross-post your reply(ies) to the linux-audio-devel/user maillist, which everyone will find quite encouraging, or so I believe. Second question goes about public hosting of the JUCE project, and what's your policy about that. For example, are you willing to host JUCE under sourceforge.net, given that you're releasing it under an open-source license (GPL). This is just an humble suggestion. Your thoughts may vary of course. Let us know of your opinion, if that won't take you from what you love. (sourceforge.net's project name "juce" is available for registration, so now would be a golden opportunity; just drop a note if you need some help on this) > The initial juce release won't have any audio stuff in it yet, though > (I'm not really a linux person, don't even have a linux machine set up > at the moment) so that might be an area where I'll come over to you > linux audio guys and see if anyone's interested in helping out! > Speaking for myself, I do have C++, JACK and ALSA skills that you may find appropriate for taking the job done. Others may apply, of course. So, just in case you didn't read the fine print, I'm stepping forward for duty ;) I'll be happy to know about your thoughts. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Julian Storer" <jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com> Date: Sun, January 9, 2005 19:04 To: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Thanks, it's really cool to see that people are interested in the project! Of course you can cross-post my reply, no problem. And yes, eventually I probably will host it on sourceforge - but again, I've just not had time to think about that kind of stuff just yet. As soon as I get a bit of a break from tracktion my next big thing will be to get on the case here and sort it all out properly.. Cheers Jules ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Date: Mon, January 10, 2005 9:57 To: "Julian Storer" <jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com> Julian, > Thanks, it's really cool to see that people are interested in the > project! Of course you can cross-post my reply, no problem. And yes, > eventually I probably will host it on sourceforge - but again, I've > just not had time to think about that kind of stuff just yet. As soon > as I get a bit of a break from tracktion my next big thing will be to > get on the case here and sort it all out properly.. > Fair enough. Just drop me a line, or on the linux-audio-dev list, when you're ready. Meanwhile, if that's not too intrusive of course, would you tap on your friend, the one who's dealing with the linux code, and handing him/her a note? I'm almost certain that both of you would take collaboration as a good idea. Would you forward him/her this thread? Based on what you've mentioned, I'm guessing that your friend is working on the GUI code. If that's right, that leaves the Audio/MIDI stuff for our joint venture, so to speak. I think this is really perfect timing IMO. Hope to hear from you soon, Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc(a)rncbc.org ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Tracktion, JUCE and Linux From: "Julian Storer" <jules(a)rawmaterialsoftware.com> Date: Mon, January 10, 2005 10:23 To: "Rui Nuno Capela" <rncbc(a)rncbc.org> Sure thing, thanks Rui!

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] Lightweight Jack Client & LADSPA host

by iain＠g7iii.net

Hi All, I was thinking about combining the functionality of the simple jack client (from the example_clients), and apply_plugin (from the LADSPA SDK), but before I do so, I was wondering if anyone knew of such a beast. I'm looking for something as lightweight as possible, thats command line driven with a minimal amount of user interface. I'm aware of ecasound, but that was giving me trouble after bringing 3 or 4 ecasound sessions up. (In fairness, I think it was also somewhat realtime/kernel related, rather than purely an ecasound issue) Before I go ahead, and attempt to hack the two together (and try and fix the memory leak issues documented in apply_plugin), has anyone already done this, or know of such a beast ? Iain

20 years, 2 months

Re: [linux-audio-user] announce: Instrument Tuner: fmit 0.9.8

by Juhan Leemet

"andre.pereira" <andre.pereira(a)ig.com.br> wrote: >Em Sex 07 Jan 2005 03:38, Gilles Degottex escreveu: >> I changed something in the next version >> (http://download.gna.org/fmit/fmit-0.9.9.tar.bz2), maybe it will help >> (sorry if I cant be more precise, but keep me informed) >> > >I Download the new version. Now the problem is other: > >$ ./configure ><some output> ...etc... >In file included from GLFormants.cpp:174: >/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glut.h:63:1: warning: "APIENTRY" redefined ...etc... It might help to say which Linux distro and version you are using. I just successfully recompiled fmit-0.9.9 on SuSE 9.1 today. Haven't tested it yet. Starts up OK, tho. Ah, I had another look at your output. Doesn't the -Wall switch to g++ make any warning(s) force an error? Not sure how you (on your system) turn that off. Somewhere in (some kind of) global compilation switches, perhaps as an argument to configure? Alternatively, find out where the duplicate definition (in your header files?) is located and (temporarily?) comment it out? Good luck! -- Juhan Leemet Logicognosis, Inc.

20 years, 2 months

[linux-audio-user] announce: Instrument Tuner: fmit 0.9.9

by Gilles Degottex

Hi, * switch to the so greats autotools ... project website: https://gna.org/projects/fmit last version: http://download.gna.org/fmit/fmit-0.9.9.tar.bz2 Enjoy the futur of informatics ... Gilles

20 years, 2 months

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Linux-audio-user January 2005