James,
I'm quite sure that something like what you're describing already exists. I can't remember off the top of my head - maybe someone on the list will tell us what it is.
But what I'm talking about is a bit different. I'm talking about a community built and supported library of acoustic multi-sampled instruments. Various dynamics, articulations, mutes, etc. I can contribute the sound of a large concert grand piano - maybe someone has an interesting or rare guitar, bass, flute, or whatever. The high resolution factor might be optional, but it would certianly fill a major gap and give the commercial folks a run for their money.
Not to go crazy here, but imagine a wiki-like interface that allows users to add their own instruments - there might eventually be dozens of different pianos, voices, harps, etc. If we created a set of agreed upon naming conventions (ie. .as2. for A sharp 2, .st. for staccato etc.) then we could also use simple scripts to do searches like: all muted strings sounding A4...
Thoughts?
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: james(a)dis-dot-dat.net
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:07:29
To:greg@gregwilder.com, A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music Made with Linux
On Thu, 28 Jul, 2005 at 05:01PM +0000, Greg Wilder spake thus:
> No. I only had access to them as a student. Since then, I've been using the Dan Dean Orchestral libraries. They're amazing but they ain't cheap...
>
> I have plans to create a high-res (24bit/88.2khz) library from my new Boesendorder 225 but it's a huge project that will take months to complete. I'd like to keep it "open" using the Creative Commons deal. Anyone else interested in contributing to something like this?
Hell yes! I've been thinking that we could do with some kind of
repository of open sampels. I have noises and beats I could submit.
Half the time, I create a beat or a sound I like and then can't decide
what to do about it, so it just sits on my HD. At least with
something like this there would be a chance for other people to make
use of it.
What kind of creative commons do you think would work best?
Sharealaike, no attribution would be my vote, I think.
Also, the 24/88 might be worth thinking about. I'm wondering if we
could maybe have a 24/48 source file and options to download a 16/44
or high quality ogg, converted on demand?
We should do this. I'm excited now.
> Greg
>
> From: Emmanuel saracco <esaracco(a)free.fr>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:45:32
> To:Greg Wilder <greg(a)gregwilder.com>
> Cc:linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music Made with Linux
>
> Le Mercredi 27 Juillet 2005 17:08, Greg Wilder a écrit :
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> [...]
>
> > Digital sources were largely culled from the sound library at the
> > Eastman Computer Music Center.
>
> Are those sounds available on the archive downloadable here:
> http://www.gregwilder.com/software.html?
>
> If not: are they downloadable from somewhere?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bye
>
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Thanks.
Try Googling around for csound tutorials - there are many many great ones. I'll send along links to my favorites when I get home next week.
Also, my web site (www.gregwilder.com) has a nice collection of csound oriented scripts, templates, and shell environment aliases created by Allan Schindler. These may help you get started by making complex tasks a bit easier. In particular, the templates are wonderful models for building your own orcs and scos.
A word of caution - I haven't updated the downloadable tarball in almost 8 months. (It was originally designed for my students so they could install it over a clean FC1 and contains automated kernel updates etc - don't use it unless you know what you're doing!)
I've recently built a new package which contains lots of usability improvements, dozens of my own scripts, and it's now distro independent. Give me a week and i'll post the new version.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Tuncer <columbiatwo(a)free.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:16:46
To:greg@gregwilder.com, A list for linux audio users <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music Made with Linux
I really like the tune Greg (-:
You said you made it 85% with CSound. I'd like to learn CSound language.
What would you advise?
Cheers
Jé
Greg Wilder a écrit :
> More Music - 100% built and bred in a GNU/Linux environment:
>
> http://www.gregwilder.com/media/vyserhad.ogg
>
> (Warning - large file 17M - over 10 minutes of music)
>
> App list:
> Csound (about 85% of the DSP done here)
> Cecilia (csound front end)
> PVC (phase vocoding)
> SMS (now CLAM)
> Vspace (spatial sound processing tools)
> SND (editor +)
> Mix Views (editor +)
> Audacity (before Ardour was stable)
>
> Digital sources were largely culled from the sound library at the
> Eastman Computer Music Center.
>
> Enjoy!
> Greg Wilder
> www.gregwilder.com
>
>
>
>
>
215-205-2893
www.gregwilder.com
No. I only had access to them as a student. Since then, I've been using the Dan Dean Orchestral libraries. They're amazing but they ain't cheap...
I have plans to create a high-res (24bit/88.2khz) library from my new Boesendorder 225 but it's a huge project that will take months to complete. I'd like to keep it "open" using the Creative Commons deal. Anyone else interested in contributing to something like this?
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel saracco <esaracco(a)free.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:45:32
To:Greg Wilder <greg(a)gregwilder.com>
Cc:linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music Made with Linux
Le Mercredi 27 Juillet 2005 17:08, Greg Wilder a écrit :
Hi Greg,
[...]
> Digital sources were largely culled from the sound library at the
> Eastman Computer Music Center.
Are those sounds available on the archive downloadable here:
http://www.gregwilder.com/software.html?
If not: are they downloadable from somewhere?
Thanks,
Bye
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http://esaracco.free.fr
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I re-recorded the piece from scratch
> taking into consideration
> every suggestion. Not that anyone would care, but
> the new version is
> here:
>
> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/ogg/lonesome_butte.ogg
>
> --the old version (for comparison) is here:
>
>
http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/ogg/lonesome_butte_old.ogg
>
> -steve d
> --
Steve,
Thumbs up! Big improvement over the old one to my
ears. The idea of a list remotely contributing to the
production of a track is fascinating. Your tune is
further inspiration for me to get my Linux based
recording studio up and running (I'm currently using a
PC based ProTools digi001 setup when it works).
Play on brother,
Neal
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Hi all,
As some of you will be aware, I wrote the following article:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7421
After seeing this long thread on this list
(http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005-July/025068.html),
I figured this poor schmuk should join up and share in some
discussion. :)
Let me be totally clear here - I am really keen to explore everyone's
viewpoints about this subject. Although my views still stand, I am
more than happy to debate them, and I figured it would be great to
hear your thoughts on the list.
In the article I clarify the position that feature-wise, audio
production on Linux is pretty good. Many of the issues that I was
discussing were that some pre-requisite knowledge is required before
you can get started. It seems that to record on Linux you need to have
trawled through documentation, the archives for this list and read up
on the intracies of getting the different parts of the system working.
To me, this seems like a flaw in the offering - surely the user should
be able to get up and running straight away - they download their
package of choice, install and run. Would this not be better?
To direct the discussion further, I would be interested in your
thoughts on the following things:
- do you all feel that it is fairly simple to get stated with Linux
and recording? Am I smoking crack? :)
- do you feel there is a seperation between a professional and an
amateur? So, the software would 'just work' for the amateur, but the
professional should really know the specifics of the system and how to
set it up.
- if you do feel it is a bit tough to get up and running without
reading up on all of this, what do you feel are the barriers, both
technical and socially? I am curious to see whether these barriers
could be solved.
As I say, I am keen to engage in some constructive discussion here,
and I look forward to your thoughts. :)
Cheers,
Jono
Here are a few rough sketches of pieces I have been working on.. (not sure
I will get round to finishing them more than this though):
http://www.jmstone.dsl.pipex.com/rs232-walking_home_alone.ogg
Piece written with one of the zynaddsubfx arpeggio patches, and seq24..
needs to be redone as the variable filter obscures the melody in places.
Also, I am not convinced it is not already from a piece by Jean Michelle
Jarre (Not intentional though.. can anyone advise?)
http://www.jmstone.dsl.pipex.com/rs232-roundabout.ogg
Soundfont (FluidR3 I think), and fweelin.. very rough
http://www.jmstone.dsl.pipex.com/smells_like_dynamite_(ardour).ogg
Bootleg remix of Nirvana/Miss Dynamite (originally done in Acid Pro, but
redone in Ardour with much nicer outcome). Don't download if you are
offended by such behaviour!
http://www.jmstone.dsl.pipex.com/rs232-run_of_the_bells.ogg
Very short weird piece I did this morning on seq24 and qsynth (unison sf).
If anyone has the urge to do anything with these squiggles, please feel
free..
James
Hi,
here:
http://www.affenbande.org/~tapas/
you find a little braindead script i hacked up to create specimen banks
from loads of .wav files.
This is the direct link:
http://affenbande.org/~tapas/wavs2specimenbank.py
The script is braindead and the name is too, but i find it useful :)
>From the post on my site:
"Here you find a small script that spits out (to stdout) a specimen bank
file which contains entries to all the files specified on the
commandline.
So, if you got a directory full of. wav files, simply do:
wavs2specimenbank file1.wav file2.wav ... fileN.wav > bankfile.specimen
Here's the help output:
usage: wavs2specimenbank [options] file1.wav ... fileN.wav
options can be:
--help show this help
--multi put all samples on one channel (one per midi note)
--single give each sample its own channel (default)
--note=# starting note in single mode. in multi mode
this is the only note used (default: 60)
--channel=# use channel # as (starting (in single mode)) channel
(default 1)
--headeronly output only the header
--patchonly output only the patch info
--endonly output only the end
So basically you could also assemble banks by something like this:
wavs2specimenbank --headeronly > output.specimen
wavs2specimenbank --patchonly --multi foo*.wav >> output.specimen
wavs2specimenbank --patchonly --multi --channel=2 bar*.wav >> output.specimen
wavs2specimenbank --endonly >> output.specimen
This gives you a bank file where all foo*.wav samples are on channel 1
(default) starting with note 60 (default) and all bar*.wav files are on
channel 2 starting with note 60, too (untested yet - lazy me).
then start specimen like:
specimen output.specimen"
Maybe someone else finds it useful, too.
Btw: Pete, this script now relies on specimen not being upset about
specifying sample end and loop end at 2^32. Got an idea for a more
elegant solution?
Bugs:
- doesn't handle running out of bounds [channels/notes], so make sure
you use sensitive values (in multi mode, do not specify more than 128
samplefiles, even when setting the (start)note to 0. in single mode
don't specify more than 16 samplefiles even when setting that
startchannel to 1.
- countless others, i'm sure :)
Have fun,
Flo
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hello,
i noticed that there is no custom search interface anymore for the
mailinglists (http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/archive.php). instead,
google is used. but i really miss an "order by reverse date" option..
any change of reviving the old search method?
maarten
Here's my take on usability vs intuitiveness ( with credit to Jef Raskin who
probably said it better ):
Most professional audio gear is like a bicycle. A bike is certainly not
intuitive to a first time user, but once you learn how to balance, steer,
etc, you can get around faster than someone on foot. This has sometimes been
described as "intuitable" rather than intuitive.
Professional audio tools can look quite alarming to the novice but must allow
a pro facing a tight deadline to get his or her work done. Ardour should
strive to be intuitable, not intuitive. I think it is progressing in this
direction quite nicely.
-Ben Loftis
On Monday 25 July 2005 1:17 pm, linux-audio-user-request(a)music.columbia.edu
wrote:
> newbie-friendliness is not the same as user-friendliness and if I use
> something day to day I probably have different preferences than somebody
> who just started to use it - and that's same for computers and anything
> else.
Seems this fella from Oreilly is having some trouble figuring out how
to get ardour, jack, and the like working to his satisfaction.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7421
